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  1. My oldest daughter is 9 years old. We will be using ELTL for the first time this year. This past school year, we were using R&S for Grammar and Spelling. She loves to write stories and does pretty good forming sentences and paragraphs. However, her spelling needs a lot of work. So, my questions are, should I be using a writing program as well, or will ELTL be sufficient? And, should I give ELTL a chance before supplementing with a spelling program, or should I do a little extra in this area since I know it's already a problem that needs addressed? Thanks in advance!
  2. I have decided to try out Easy Grammar next school year for my 9 year old son going in to 4th grade. He is behind in his language arts. We are enrolling him in a local public charter school that allows me to choose my own curriculum (no religious content for the most part). I need to find a writing program to go along with EG and would like some input on what writing program goes well with it. He has worked on copywork and does fine with it but we haven't done much dictation (some, but not much). I need to find a less parent-intensive course, however I know I will need to help him. I was looking at Excellence in Writing (EIW) because it combines writing and grammar but EG appeals to me. One easy option is to use "Daily 6-Trait Writing" as Timberdoodle suggests to use. I can order from Timberdoodle.com, Rainbowresource.com, and exodusbooks.com. I need something that is comprehensive yet doesn't take me all day to teach it. This last year we used Sonlight Language Arts 2 and it was just okay. I tried R&S English but even as a Christian I feel that it goes over the top when it comes to references to God. Here's what I plan on using so far: Writing: ??? Spelling: Spelling You See (I had no eye-rolling when using this program!) Grammar: Easy Grammar Reading: Teaching the Classics??? Handwriting: A Reason for Handwriting Thanks for your input!
  3. My soon to be sixth grader needs to build skills in composition. He needs to build his spelling and hand-writing abilities, and we are doing that this summer. He has not had formal grammar. Through a few fun things and Latin, he knows many parts of speech, types of sentences, end punctuation - the basics. He can capitalize a sentence and put a period at the end. He can narrate, summarize, rewrite in complete sentences - orally. He has done some copywork and dictation. We did the first third of IEW SWI-A. He did fine, but I didn't like it. He is pencil- and generally work-phobic. He says, "I know how to write," which he can orally. I know where I want to get him, but I'm not sure what to do/use to get there. Should I do WWE 3/4 with him until he can write on his own? At his level and personality, what grammar?
  4. Do you find that ELTL is complete, or do you feel the need to supplement? I bought ELTL to use with my 4th and 2nd grader next year and I was just curious if I needed to add anything else for spelling instruction? Other than that, it looks pretty good and I'm excited to give it a try.
  5. Has anyone used CAP's Well-Ordered Language for grammar? If so, what did you like about it? What did you not like? How does it compare to FLL or MCT grammar? The CAP website says for grades 3 or 4 and up. My 3rd and 5th graders are finishing up MCT Town level. Would this be a good bridge before they begin MCT Voyage level?
  6. Help! I have two kids, a rising 4th grader and a rising 1st grader. The 4th grader is the harder one to hs. She reads pretty well, about a sixth grade level, but has some speech and grammatical errors, slow to process, and EF problems. She's slow to write and has a hard time organizing her ideas. I'm strongly considering the following two programs together, but worried it's too much. IEW- She has problems summarizing succinctly. I think this will help quite a bit and the sequence of routines should help. I don't think it's enough grammar though so I'm considering ordering MCT. I know they say it is written for gifted students. She has some 2E learning differences, but grammar is not one of her talents. She's artistic though so I think the illustrations and the story book format will appeal to her and help her remember the grammar. I could just buy grammar island and practice island, but they both love doing poetry tea so I could see using Music of the Hemispheres too. Are both of these something I can conceivably use together or will it take me forever to get through both of them throughout the year? FWIW, for reading, we loosely follow a reading through history sequence and we use Singapore for math. TIA
  7. Dd did FLL for grades 1-4, then R&S for grades 5-7. R&S is very thorough and dd is doing well with it, but it seems to go well beyond most Jr high grammar curriculum. I want her to be good at writing (we are using WWS currently) and I know grammar is a part of that. I also want her ready for high school level work. What would you suggest for 8th grade? We could continue R&S, but I'm wondering if something else might be better for her.
  8. Confession: I stayed too long with Adventures in Phonics; thus, we just finished our review of Book 1/FLL and full-on completion of Books 2 & 3, cruising through the letter writing/dictionary usage/oral usage at the very end. DS is a rising 4th grader, an advanced writer/reader with a vocab (and the ability to spell it!) of a high schooler. He grasped the diagramming, lingo, rules, etc. with no problem. My questions is this: What comes next for us? WWE, I fear, would be rather basic for him--as it was for his older brother. Any recommendations on what to use next to cement the grammar skills, develop non-fiction writing skills, outlining, and the like? I've been reading through the WTM guide and value that very much; however, "here's what I've done, here's our experience" is so valuable to me. Thanks--in advance, Tracie in TN :thumbup1:
  9. Mostly, I'd love to hear from others who have used Abeka for Language for Grades 4 and up. I used it our first year of homeschooling for 3rd grade, along with FLL. That went well. Currently using CLE for my 3rd graders and have mostly used something else for my 6th grader this year. I'm considering Abeka for 7th, or possibly CLE. But I think I would have to start in the 600s with CLE for my DD. For her sake (having younger siblings), I would prefer something on "grade level." Workbooks for language work pretty well for us, I don't mind Christian content, and plan to supplement for composition. I know Abeka doesn't get a lot of mention here, but I know some have used it for grammar, so I'd love to hear your thoughts!
  10. Has anyone here used Grammar Revolution by Elizabeth O'Brien? Have you liked it? Did you use just the textbooks? Or, did you use her online program? Which is better? OR, is there something better "out there" for teaching grammar through sentence diagramming?
  11. My wife, my 5yo, and I* didn't agree with the possible answer options (it was multiple choice), so, help? Surely some of y'all would love to debate this to death? *I haven't asked the 8yo, but I don't think it'd matter.
  12. I have most of our plans figured out for next year, but I'm struggling to find a writing or grammar curriculum that I'm happy with. We like to purchase our curriculum throughout the spring and summer to spread out the cost. That is why I need to confirm my choices soon. My daughter will be in 3rd grade. We will be using HOD Bigger, but I do not like their choices for LA. We will be using Spelling You See for spelling. I have looked at Cathy Duffy's top picks, but it's so hard to understand how each program works and progresses. I am also considering BJU Reading 3, though I'm not sold yet. ;-) IEW - This looks great, and I've read great reviews (as well as many bad ones). It looks like it would take a huge investment of time and money to just be able to teach this. Is it really worth that investment at this age? WriteShop - We tried using their primary level A book this year, but it just doesn't get done. It seems to be a lot of writing and explanations (in the TM) for very little student work. It's recommended to start with A, but it seems babyish. BJU English - This seems solid, but very dry. Exactly what I would expect from a "textbook". I'm not against this, but I don't want to crush her interest before she even gets started. Is it really as dry as it looks, or is it fun for the child? Opinions? - This choice would also include grammar. I like that they alternate chapters. (Ch1 grammar - Ch2 writing...) I have no other ideas for grammar. I don't want a charlotte mason type of grammar curriculum. We don't need to study poetry and artwork because we're already doing those separately. We just need a solid teaching of grammar. So, thoughts, ideas, opinions? What are your favorite writing, grammar and reading programs and why?
  13. My 8 year old DS was an extremely reluctant writer and it was one of reasons we came around to homeschooling. He is a voracious reader and has a fantastic vocabulary - but he is lagging in writing, grammar and spelling. By grammar I mean basics such as capitalization, punctuation and by writing I mean the ability formulating a sentence independently. He does copywork, but is still writing in manuscript. He is ready for more of a challenge...he is willing now. And I need some help in targeting our efforts as to be honest, we've wasted a fair bit of time by being inconsistent with his lessons. Really inconsistent. What I would like is something (or somethingS) with few bells and whistles - it needs to be straightforward and allow us to stay focused on skill building. He WANTS to spell and is constantly asking me to give him words to spell. He is very expressive verbally and narrates very well. We need tools that are simple and unencumbered....just for a short season, mom and son have to stop getting sidetracked by all the beautiful books!!! Can you help? Here is what we have on hand for materials: Spelling: * RLTL - but to be honest, I'm intimidated by the phonograms as it is a new system to me * Spelling Power - have started with the assessments but have not followed through Grammar & Writing: * ELTL - love it to bits, but am thinking of putting it aside for a little while so we can concentrate on some matters of grammar and handwriting in a more 'intensive' way....ELTL is slow and gentle, and sometimes I think we get too bogged down in the stories and poetry and end up passing on the 'meat' of the lessons. He reads a ton as it is - and perhaps we could keep going with the reading list, but find a targeted tool to work on grammar basics Handwriting: * HLTL - I have it but have never printed it or used it * Getty-Dubay Italic Book C (the one that transitions to cursive). It is getting used, but he is still printing. Any suggestions would be appreciated - including materials, schedule, frequency etc.
  14. I feel fairly confident in my understanding of basic grammar, but I am at odds with the answer key today and could use some help. Here are the sentences in question: "The answer should have been found by now." "The answer will be found in two days." The answer key indicates that "found" is not part of the verb phrase. As such, I'm assuming that the authors are considering the word "found" to be a past participle functioning as a predicate adjective for the subject "answer". The rationale is not given. I would have considered "found" to be the main verb of the passive verb phrase with the agent (the one doing the finding) simply not stated. Opinions?
  15. This year my older two girls, ages 11 & 13, started R&S English 8 & 6, respectively. This is our first year with R&S. We finished FLL4 a couple of years ago, and haven't done a lot with grammar since then. Well, we realized very quickly that R&S 8 was way over the 13 yo's head (and mine too! ack!). She's now in grammar-limbo (having stopped R&S in Oct/Nov). My 11 yo is appropriately challenged in R&S 6. I'm concerned/curious now for a couple of reasons: 1. Grammar has always been a very easy subject for my girls. The struggle in R&S 8 felt like a big blow to my 13 yo ~ since there are so many other "really difficult" things about being 13, having a subject that's always been a "win" turn into a "fail" just kinda stinks. In large part, it's my fault - I should've done more homework, to see that R&S would be so different/difficult {poor first-born guinea pig!} 2. While I appreciate how in-depth and thorough R&S is, I wonder if it's a little overkill? Book 6 is challenging, but reasonably so. I haven't looked at book 7 yet. Book 8 felt altogether over-the-top. Even my husband - who has a PhD and teaches at a private university - didn't understand much past the first few chapters. Is learning grammar THAT in-depth really necessary? Am I so old that I can't remember ever having done grammar in such depth? Or is it not really as crazy-advanced as I feel like it is, and it's really perfectly reasonable and normal expectations for middle school? And if so, what grammar are they doing in (gasp) high school?? Clearly (I see now) it's a curriculum where you can't just jump into a higher level without having progressed through the lower levels first. But it still feels like a lot more grammar than necessary at this level. Thoughts? 3. At this point, do you think I should have the 13 yo start in book 6, and maybe skip/progress quickly through the parts she already knows well? Or should we just throw in the R&S towel for her, and pick up something else altogether? (& if so, what?) 4. I have two more kids in the wings ... I'm determined to get everything right with them (haha, I wish!). To avoid repeating this scenario in a few years, is it best to begin R&S directly after FLL4? And if so, what R&S level? 5? 6? Depends of what age/grade level they are at that point? TIA!
  16. I'm trying to decide what language arts program(s) to use with my 3rd grade son next year. We have done Logic of English Foundations and Essentials from K - 2nd. I have LOVED it!! But they don't have anything past Essentials. I'm trying to figure out what to do next. He hates handwriting. But he can tell stories orally all day long. Spelling has been a struggle for him, but he's starting to come around and do okay with it. He is reading at or above grade level (is there a way to check that?). He is learning a lot of grammar in Essentials right now and is doing very well with it as well as the vocabulary sections. I was looking at Institute for Excellence in Writing and WriteShop (as those are suggested by LOE), but I know nothing of either. I know WTM suggests Rod and Staff or FLL 3 and 4. I"m wondering what anyone's experiences are with any of the above. I'd also like to find a good spelling program that focuses on Latin and Greek roots. Thoughts? Suggestions?
  17. I've been casting about, trying to figure out what to do for grammar for middle school, either later this year, or next, but I can't decide what would work best for DD. She's a visual-spatial/whole-to-parts learner, pretty quick on the uptake, good at learning in context, but terrible at rote memorization. Humor, pictures and color are good things. She's had some exposure - we've done Treasured Conversations, FLL4, Daily Grams 5, and Grammar Island, but nothing consistent from year to year. So far, the best thing has been Super Grammar, which is basically a comic book describing each part of speech or concept as either a hero of villain, but it's just a book, no practice. R&S and CLE are out of the question, as they cause tears and frustration on both our parts. The Language Mechanic, The Giggly Guide to Grammar and ELTL are on my short list, but I have zero experience with any of them, so I don't know which would best fit my needs. I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of. What would you recommend for this child? I'm planning to use Build Your Library next year, which does not include grammar or spelling, but covers all the other English areas.
  18. This is from MCT's Practice Voyage: Acrid fumes poured from the engine room; we hoped to put the fire out. TO PUT THE FIRE OUT is described by MCT as a direct object and infinitive phrase. OUT is labeled as an adverb, but we can't figure out what it is modifying. It can't modify TO PUT because it TO PUT is a noun and adverbs only modify verbs, adjectives and other adverbs. So what is OUT modifying? Thank you for your help!
  19. The New Yorker magazine has an ongoing series of short to the point videos on common grammar issues by Mary Norris, a long time copy editor at the magazine. Click on the link below and scroll down to see the videos. Click on this link to see a list of the videos including topics such as the comma, semi-colon, lie/lay, dashes, who/whom, less/fewer.
  20. Any one recommend Interactive Grammar Online or Computer Program Elementary level which can both teach and test. Some thing like to Teaching textbooks or CTC math . Thanking you all in advance
  21. Can you help us with this distinction? These two examples come from MCT Practive Voyage: (1) We were not impressed. MCT says: WERE is a linking verb. IMPRESSED is an adjective/subject complement. (2) The captain's rule was best described as a benevolent dictatorship. MCT says: WAS BEST DESCRIBED is a passive voice action verb. I can not for the life of me figure out how to make this distinction. Thank you for your help.
  22. Cross-posted from K-8 main... Hi all! I haven't posted in quite a while, but am just checking in to see if there are any grammar options I might not have already considered. I just graduated my oldest (HS all the way through with WTM, YAY!). Last year, with a senior, a move, a death in the extended family and all the other craziness of life, DD's grammar studies sort of fell by the wayside. She used FLL through 5th grade, then Abeka. We liked FLL because of the format which seemed to work well for her given her vision issues. She does read well, and enjoys reading books by sight for fun. But it is a strain and is very slow (most reading is via audiobooks). I'm not asking about vision therapy (thank you, but she is not a candidate). Just wondering if there's anything out there which would allow her to work independently and doesn't have very small print or cluttered-looking pages which contribute to eye strain and fatigue. I would be willing to consider video or computer-based options (she uses Phonetic Zoo and Teaching Textbooks and Apologia Science with audio) but would like to keep the cost down as much as possible. Any ideas?
  23. Hi all! I haven't posted in quite a while, but am just checking in to see if there are any grammar options I might not have already considered. I just graduated my oldest (HS all the way through with WTM, YAY!). Last year with a senior, a move, a death in the extended family and all the other craziness of life, DD's grammar studies sort of fell by the wayside. She used FLL through 5th grade, then Abeka. We liked FLL because of the format which seemed to work well for her given her vision issues. She does read well, and enjoys reading books by sight for fun. But it is a strain and is very slow (most reading is via audiobooks). I'm not asking about vision therapy (thank you, but she is not a candidate). Just wondering if there's anything out there which would allow her to work independently and doesn't have very small print or cluttered-looking pages which contribute to eye strain and fatigue. I would be willing to consider video or computer-based options (she uses Phonetic Zoo and Teaching Textbooks and Apologia Science with audio) but would like to keep the cost down as much as possible. Any ideas?
  24. My DS, rising 6th grader, just got the results from the Stanford 10 test. He performed below grade level for grammar usage and mechanics. We have previously used Easy Grammar & Intermediate Language Lessons by Emma Serl. Does anyone have a recommendations to get the student up to par? He is more than capable but he is a STEM type student not a language arts fan. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jean
  25. I am curious first how long do you continue grammar?? We are entering 10th grade Can anyone explain to me what easy grammar plus consists of ? and when and how long do you use it?? Thank you!
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