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  1. Link to report page http://nces.ed.gov/p...p?pubid=2013451 Link to report PDF http://nces.ed.gov/n...ies/2013451.pdf Link to news article http://seattletimes....schoolmath.html It is an interesting read. ETA: another interesting read "Orange Juice or Orange Drink? Ensuring that “Advanced Courses†Live Up to Their Labels" pdf
  2. I have used Saxon math with my DS11 from 1st grade and, until this year, we have both loved it. This year he has been doing Algebra 1/2 and it just hasn't been clicking. There are times when we both look at the answers to problems in the text, and even with the solutions manual, can't figure out WHY they got their answer. This is mostly with their geometry side of things, but at times it is also with some algebra concepts. I would like to do something with him over the summer that would help him and yet would also be fun (if possible) and not torture. Any help/thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you
  3. I am really struggling with picking a geometry curriculum for next year. Ds loves math, wants a STEM-type career, and is going beyond my ability to teach well. (Algebra this year has really challenged me to the point where I feel I may be doing him a disservice if I continue to be his sole math instructor.) I am considering Geometry w/ Math Without Borders, but have not found many reviews. Is there a reason why this program is not popular? Is this a good Geometry program? If not, what might be a better text w/ a DVD or online class? Thank you.
  4. A little background: -While this is my first time in the HS forum (I have an upcoming 9th grader), by 12 year old is a little ahead in math, so this question is for him. - I'm not at all opposed to "unconventional" thinking. In fact, I think was Lori (??) who has mentioned that she didn't/doesn't use a formal geography text at all, and things go just fine. I want to explore this option, as well as any others. Here's what he's done so far: 1-8th grade Rod and Staff books Keys to Algebra books 1-4 (I used this as my "pre-alg") Kahn Lial's Intro Alg, a bit over half way through. Patty Paper- A bit over half way through I've been his teacher thus far, but I know he's going to out-pace me. While I feel like I could take him through Alg II, time constraints make me favor something online (probably Chalkdust). Meanwhile, I dislike proofs with a passion and have no desire to beat my head against a wall with them :) With 6 children, and other responsibilities, I am looking for the best balance of my time and best choice. My current idea is to take next year (which would be his 8th grade year) and do AoPS Alg (independently) and some "light" geometry (perhaps Geometry for Dummies per Lori, or TT). Then, move on to Alg II in his 9th grade year. My reasoning is really just to give him a bit more time to mature before moving him ahead, while keeping his skills up and giving him a different approach. I think he'll probably move through it pretty quick, though. My main issue with this is transcripts. How would this work out for college??? Any veterans gone with a minimum of Geo? How does that look for college? Any other suggestions? What would you do if it were your child?
  5. Hello, I was wondering if anyone has used Patty Paper Geometry? I am considering it for a Pre-Geometry in planning ahead. ds11 has strong math skills, loves origami and is always asking about geometry. He is finishing up TabletClass Pre-A which is pretty demanding. I plan to have him start algebra soon and then introduce a pre-Geometry at some point. I also plan on having him do an extended Algebra 1 program with TabletClass and AoPS or another supplemental like Foerster. I am just wondering if anyone has used PPG *before* finishing Algebra 1 or as a Pre-Geometry? From what I've read it doesn't seem like a complete geometry course. Is its S&S not really considered complete? Thanks,
  6. Hello, I was wondering if anyone has used Patty Paper Geometry with a younger child? I am considering it for a Pre-Geometry. ds11 has strong math skills, loves origami and is always asking about geometry. He is finishing up TabletClass Pre-A which is pretty demanding. I plan to have him start algebra soon and then introduce a pre-Geometry at some point. I also plan on having him do an extended Algebra 1 program with TabletClass and AoPS or another supplemental like Foerster. I am just wondering if anyone has used PPG *before* finishing Algebra 1 or as a Pre-Geometry? From what I've read it doesn't seem like a complete geometry course. Is its S&S not really considered complete? Thanks,
  7. I hadn't gone to Worksheet Works' website in a while, but I did today and they have three different pentomino puzzles, so that you can make your own worksheets, setting the number of pieces! This is useful for anyone who can't get enough of pentominoes or wants something Beast Academy like on the cheap. They are mixed puzzles (different puzzles with different pieces), same pieces puzzles (use many of a single small shape to make a different, big shape), and same board puzzles (same big shape, multiple ways to make it). http://www.worksheetworks.com/puzzles/pentominoes.html Happy puzzling!
  8. I am considering the above Geom. programs for my average math student 10th gr dd next year. We have done BJU Geom. DVDs before with two older daughters and we really liked it. However, I am intrigued by the AoPS videos we have used for algebra and prealg. viewing when we occasionally get "stuck". My going-into-8th grade son is finishing pre-algebra and ready to start Alg. 1 in 8th grade. Normally, as I have done with his older sisters, I would put him in 2year Videotext Alg. I & II for next 2 years. However, I could save some money and time - and make my life easier - if I put them both in Geometry next year. My first inclination is to stay with my orig. plan and they'd each do math separately. However, they are doing physical science, writing, lit and Spanish together. My younger son is hard-working and particularly skilled at math. I don't have any big math/science level concerns for my younger son as we are detouring a year into geology so the plan will be that he takes chemistry in 3 years? Thanks for your ideas. Lisaj
  9. Any advice on doing these two maths concurrently? Ds is considering doubling up next year (10th) so he can study Pre-Calc in 11th and Calculus in 12th. Our current thinking (as of this morning) is to schedule two credits of math and if it becomes too much bump down to one credit and rotate them, taking two years to complete both. Any tips or trick, words of advice if you have taken that route? The current plan is to use what I already own which is either Discovering Geometry or a 1985 Jurgensen Geometry text, and Lials Intermediate Algebra.
  10. Jane in NC or someone who has done this level or understands Geometry.... We're in 6-5 Proving Corresponding Parts Equal question 31 p207 (c1962, 1965)... In the answer there are 22 steps and dd is wondering.... In general - this is a big jump from the B-level problems that have average 7-8 steps.....How do you plan for arriving at the "Prove"....ie how do you prepare the path mentally? She doesn't want to go down too many dead ends.... Ahhh - strategies? I was terrible in Geometry... Thanks for any help, Joan
  11. My son wants to study more advanced geometry but is not sure which book would be good. He finished all of AoPS geometry awhile ago and is working through Challenging Problems in Geometry by Alfred Posamentier and Charles Salkind, but he was wondering if someone might know of another good text to follow AoPS's. Challeging Problems in Geometry covers SECTION 1 Congruence and Parallelism Triangles in Proportion The Pythagorean Theorem Circles Revisited Area Relationships SECTION 2 A Geometric Potpourri Ptolemy and the Cyclic Quadrilateral menelaus and Ceva: Collinearity and Concurrency The Simson Line The Theorem of Stewart His goal is to make USAMO in the next four years if that helps, so I guess he would like something geared toward contest math. Any help is much appreciated! :)
  12. Can anyone tell me whether or not Singapore U.S. Ed. 5B is too early to begin Patty Paper Geometry? I was going to skip 5B and do RS geometry, but if I can get the hands-on with PPG along side 5B, I wouldn't have to skip any SM. I have read a few other threads about using it with algebra I. :confused: TIA!
  13. We've been using Teaching Textbooks and have liked them, but aren't too crazy about the Geometry. Very heavy on the proof side and they seems a bit overcomplicated. Any suggestions for Geometry? Thanks!
  14. my 15 yo would like to do his geometry on-line next year. Any recommendations?
  15. Does ANYONE have these? In particular, I'm looking for the Geometry (2nd edition) set, but I'd be thrilled with the Algebra ones as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look for them? I've googled multiple times with no luck. Is there a way to contact the publisher or Mr. Jacobs himself?
  16. Hi all, I am looking to purchase a good set of geometry tools for constructions. Does anyone have a set they particularly like? I never liked the ones I purchased for my girls. Thanks!
  17. Teaching online math I was looking online for a site to help me teach constructions. I found this site. I can 'share my desktop' and the class can work their constructions alongside of me. It does not teach HOW to do constructions-- it is just a tool to work them! My students report that they also like to practice using this site! There are some Smart Board applications/add ons that have awesome tools--but they are $$$$$.... this one is free!
  18. I saw the "official" Saxon Teacher CD/DVD for Geometry today and wondered if anyone had used it before. I found two very negative reviews of it here: http://www.christianbook.com/saxon-geometry-homeschool-teacher-first-edition/pd/542563#customer_reviews but thought I'd ask here before dropping the idea.
  19. Hi~ My son, who isn't a natural at math, is getting ready for Algebra 2. We have been using Teaching Textbooks but he would like a curriculum w/ more repetition ( not to mention that the tutor's voice gets on his nerves -- did he put a clothespin over his nose or something?). Seems like Saxon would do that, from what I've heard and read. What I like about TT is that the solution for every problem is demonstrated on the cd-roms. What I don't like is that it seems to give very little practice in new concepts before testing, and then the test problems are harder than the few the student has gotten a chance to practice with the lessons. I am NOT a natural at math so having the cds to explain things has been great...for me. Apparently they just aren't enough for my son. He is practically crawling through geometry. Any words of wisdom from those who have used both or have a good amount of experience w/ Saxon? Thanks! DPM
  20. Hi~ My son, who isn't a natural at math, is getting ready for Algebra 2. We have been using Teaching Textbooks but he would like a curriculum w/ more repetition ( not to mention that the tutor's voice gets on his nerves -- did he put a clothespin over his nose or something?). Seems like Saxon would do that, from what I've heard and read. What I like about TT is that the solution for every problem is demonstrated on the cd-roms. What I don't like is that it seems to give very little practice in new concepts before testing, and then the test problems are harder than the few the student has gotten a chance to practice with the lessons. I am NOT a natural at math so having the cds to explain things has been great...for me. Apparently they just aren't enough for my son. He is practically crawling through geometry. Any words of wisdom from those who have used both or have a good amount of experience w/ Saxon? Thanks! DPM
  21. I'm researching Geometry for next year and just discovered that I donated my 2nd edition Jacobs text to the local thrift shop by accident (still cringing as I think of it). All I had was the student text, which is widely available, so I'm not that upset about it. Anyway, since I'm going to have to buy it again along with the TE & tests, I'm wondering if I should go through the trouble of trying to find the 2nd edition or just go with the 3rd. I see mixed reviews on Amazon, with some very adept math people saying the 3rd is actually a vast improvement. So, who has used Jacobs 3rd and liked it? Anyone prefer it to the 2nd edition? I hope this hasn't been asked a million times. :D
  22. My dd and I both have really enjoyed the Lial's Intro to Algebra text. The explanations in the text have been thorough and easy to understand. Plus dd's confidence in math has really soared because she comprehends the concepts. So, what would you suggest as a geometry text that might provide a similar teaching approach? Thanks, Jennifer
  23. I received a recommendation for John Bovey http://www.liveonlinemath.com from a member of another forum. She purchased the video-only option after a 2-week trial of the video/1x week group class. I'm still hoping someone who is using the 3xweek class option will surface.... "We've been using the Pre-Algebra Video course since late last summer. My son will be finished in another couple of months. We've really, really enjoyed it and I would wholeheartedly recommend his programs. You're probably aware that he has different course options. We did a trial period of the option which uses the videos plus once a week group classes. I thought they were very well done, the interaction is nifty and John is pretty good with the kids. We ended up going with the Video-only course, since it's more flexible in terms of scheduling, following the kid's lead, etc. And a little cheaper heh. This was the first year for the Pre-Algebra video course, so I've found a few typos along the way in the answer sheets, for instance. John has always been very receptive to the corrections and has asked me a few times for more in depth feedback too -- is his humour too much? does it take away from the program?, is it a good balance?, etc. So he's eager to 'get it right' and is very approachable. As for that humour -- my son LOVES it. And it's just 'enough'. Corny and silly little asides during the lectures, that break the tedium and keep it engaging. John's delivery is very dry and straightforward, so it's not like goofy, silly kind of humour, it's more like British humour, Heh. No math program is perfect for everybody, of course, and with this course there are a few things that I would have done differently, concept-wise, if I were teaching it. But that's okay -- my son is getting it, he's enjoying it. I've been very happy with it and we will probably continue to use it for Algebra next year too."
  24. My ds10 is in 5th grade. He enjoys origami and is fairly good at spatial puzzles which involve symmetry, rotation, tessellation, etc. We afterschool with MEP. In school this year, they started with basic geometry which he also seems to enjoy. I would like to extend his interest in Geometry, but I find MEP is very sketchy in this area. 1. I am looking for resources which provide puzzles / challenges in spatial/geometrical thinking (such as how many triangles can you spot in this figure? how many cubes are stacked in this 3D figure? what is the surface area of this 3D figure...and so on). 2. I am also looking for a geometry program which explains angles, triangles, polygons, area, volume, tessellations, rotations, reflection, etc. in a fun way without going into mathematical proofs. I would really appreciate some suggestions from the hive.
  25. So I'm doing some math with Artichoke (DS #3) using a third grade text from SMSG (teacher book here). The section on angles and rays has the observation that angles are the union of two rays, not two line segments. (page 47 of the .pdf) So he drew two rays that crossed, rather than having an endpoint in common as the vertex of the angle. Our question is does this form four angles (with opposite angles being similar) or are some of the resulting "angles" not really angles because they are formed by a subset that goes from the endpoint to another finite point (the intersection where the rays cross)? Not sure if I'm phrasing this well enough to picture.
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