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  1. ...First Language Lessons (FLL)? NO FLAMES, PLEASE! I'm trying to decide if I want to continue it with my 5 1/2 y.o. (who's mostly doing K work, but math and LA is 1st grade level). I find it ridiculously repetitive, but maybe I haven't given it enough of a chance? Any thoughts (along with your experiences) are greatly appreciated! Thanks!
  2. DD4 is verbally gifted (reading at 2nd grade level). We are doing kindergarten this year, and I am looking for a grammar program for next year. She requires a lot of interpersonal interaction and conversation. She will do worksheets out of a sense of duty but would much rather talk to someone or work cooperatively. I like the idea of cuddling up on the couch together with FLL, and I like that it starts sentence diagramming early on. But I am concerned that it will be too boring for her. I have also considered MCT, since it is geared toward gifted children. But I am really put off by the font. DD is very rule-oriented, and I am not sure she will go for a book that looks like a child wrote it. (OTOH, she might like the idea, too.) Can anyone give me any insights into either of these programs for a very young gifted child? I am thinking that we might start with FLL next year and then perhaps move into MCT later on?
  3. I know this question has been raised in various forms before on this forum. I'm hoping for some advice or encouragement on this. Last year we used WWE 2 and postponed FLL. This year we added FLL and love it. But now I'm having trouble motivating myself to fit WWE in. I use the workbook so it's not difficult to prepare at all. I love WWE and want to continue - but It would help me hear the practical benefits of using both FLL and WWE - for level 3 in particular. Has anyone just abandoned WWE and done the optional writing in FLL?
  4. DD was sick of nouns, then she was sick of pronouns. She hates repetition. I decided to stick with WWE. Then I read some posts where people used FLL for writing and grammar. No WWE and they were fine. Also, DD seems too advanced for WWE 1. Add to that the fact that the memorization of the grammar lists is always raved about and the FLL 1/2 audio is recommended if you start with FLL 3. So I picked FLL back up and went to the very last pronoun lesson that I could find (the one with a full list). I put the FLL audio CD in and we learned the song. That was 3 days ago. DD loves the song and is so proud. So we are switching from WWE to FLL instead of trying to do both or stick to WWE alone. I will be changing my sig. ;) Oh, and I will be sticking to it too. I know, unusual for me, but I am learning.:tongue_smilie:
  5. Ok, so I am still in a quandry about grammar next year. I will have an "old" first grader (almost 7) and a young kindergartener (just turned 5). So they are one year apart in school but really 2 years apart. I bought Shurley Grammer 1 to begin with my first grader. AFter seeing how intensive it was, I knew that I had to do it with BOTH of them if I was going to have to put that much effort in it. I looked through it more in-depth and think that once you get well into it, it might be too much for my 5 year old - prepostions? object of preposition? (Maybe it is just because I didn't learn grammar until middle or high school) So then a friend brough FLL over (the first one) It seemed so less teacher intensive and more gentle. I know my older daughter would love it. But if I start it with her, how can I get them on the same level at some point...especially if we move into Shurley eventually? Thanks - for any experience anyone has.
  6. Ok, I have gone through the new (love it btw) TWTM book and see that Rod and Staff is still the highest recomended Grammar/Writing program. I am doing FLL4 in the fall, but will be done at Christmas. My girls are 10 and 11 so they can go through it pretty quickly. I wanted to use WT 1 and 2 with them after that along with the diagraming and outlining recomendations for the logic stage. After using WT1 with my oldest this year I saw the "holes" in our language arts so I got FLL 3 and 4 and now going through WWE 1-4 as review. all that being said, where do you think I should start them in R&S after I finish WT2? I would love your thoughts on this. I would use WWE all the way through, but it doesn't seem that they will be ready in time :-( so I must press on. I might add that I am using Sonlight 5 in the fall. I see that the LA program in combinded with the core by core 7. do you think SL language would be enough? Thanks
  7. I have been looking into the WWE and FLL for my soon to be 3rd grader. I realized that she had no concept of how to write when this past Friday she was required to write a short story about Jesus using some prompting words. Anyway, she sat there dumbfounded and near tears. I was near tears myself seeing her little face soooooo sad looking :crying:! On to the question: Is is really necessary to buy the student workbook for WWE? I want to have her start reading from the classics and want to use these instead. I think I can come up with some comprehensive questions since we do this already with Bible when we do our devotions. The next question is about FLL. Do I do the FLL 1 and 2 or just buy the CD and go into 3? Would the workbook be necessary for 3? I don't see any sample pages, so I can't relate to what they are requiring for seatwork. Thank you in advance!:lol:
  8. I am using FLL 2 w/ my 2nd grade son who is doing fine with it. I remembered dividing words into syllables, marking vowels, identifying the root word/prefix/suffix, and learning about the different "tenses" of words, & 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person... In elementary grades I was taught with Abeka. I looked ahead in ds' FLL 1/2 book and it does not cover these things. Does FLL 3 or 4 cover them? Are they even that important and should I worry about it being "missed"? I'm making myself so nuts over this. I started this particular thread of thought over a month ago and actually ordered the entire Abeka LA 2 program. Now I'm sitting here looking over it wondering how on earth I could ask my ds7 to do all this on top of what we're already doing (it would be in addition to FLL). That was my plan originally, but it's just. so. much. I'm trying to look through it and see if I can give him the "meat" or main concepts from the Abeka program w/o all the overkill. Do the things that I listed above (underlined) really matter to reading, writing, and spelling ability in the long run? Any help is much appreciated. I almost long to be in a decade when the internet didn't exist, OK not really, but then I couldn't make myself dizzy with such a wide array of curriculum choices! :tongue_smilie:
  9. I've looked at FLL and think I would like to use it next year for 1st grade LA, but what do you do for a reading curriculum? Everyone talks about grammer, dictation and read-alouds, but what are your dc reading? What about those comprehension questions we always had to do in school? I keep feeling like something is being left out. How does this work? TIA
  10. We have just started with FLL and want to get the WWE workbooks also. Should the WWE workbooks correspond with the same level in FLL? Or is it recommended to start with the WWE Level 1 Workbook regardless of age with no previous narration or dictation experience? My ds will just be turning 8 in a few weeks. We are doing a quick review of FLL 1 and then moving on to FLL 2. I'm not sure I if should start him in the 1st or 2nd workbook. Blessings, Robbie
  11. Has anyone here used FLL 1/2 in one year? Thanks!
  12. is there memory work included in it as it was in FLL1/2? I went with something else this year, but I'm finding my daughter really needs something that has the repetition of FLL. Thanks,
  13. I am using FFL1with DD7. Last year when she was in a classical school she used Shurley. Her brothers, who are still in a classical school, both use Shurley. I am enjoying the low key approach of FLL, but when I think of the rigor of Shurley and the degree to which my two sons know the question/answer flows, the editing skills, etc. I get a little "panic-y." Does anyone have opnions on whether FLL will produce the same degree of understanding and skills over time? Thanks!
  14. DS is about 3/4 of the way through with First Language Lessons 3, and I'm thinking of trying out Growing with Grammar next. Has anyone made this transition at the same point? Should he go right into Growing With Grammar 4? Is there anything covered earlier in GWG but not in FLL that I'd need to catch him up on first? TIA!
  15. How much time do you spend on level3 actually teaching the lessons? About how long does it take for your child to complete any assigned work for that day? Thanks!
  16. We started FLL 1/2 about 3 weeks ago and are lesson 23 in the grade 1 section. DD (7 yo, 2nd grade) can easily recite the definition of a noun, but when I ask her to name a noun (any noun), she can't do it and just guesses. Also, we've spent most of these lessons repeatedly talking about common & proper noun, but when I ask her the question, "In the sentence, The boy went to town is boy a common or proper noun?" She'll guess and sometimes be right, sometimes be wrong. Then I'll correct her and use the same sentence but with a proper noun added "John went to town", then asking if John is a common or proper noun, again she'll guess, usually getting it wrong. So again I go over the difference between a common & proper noun and why "boy" is cn & John is pn. I really feel after 3/4 weeks on this topic she should understand and be able to apply the definiton and previous lessons knowledge to not need to guess. I really don't think she's an auditiory learner (we use a great amount visuals/manipulatives when I teach her math). That's why I didn't use FLL 1/2 in 1st grade, because I thought it may be too hard for her. She has gone to speech therapy and she may had an auditory processing delay... Sorry to ramble, but my question is I'm really thinking we should use another program... I would love to hear any suggestions/ideas of other curriculums that you all have used successfully when FLL wasn't working. I really don't want to go on another month and be in the same place we are now... I knew dd wasn't auditory, but had FLL sitting on my shelf, so I decided to give it a try... help!! Thanks for your advice everyone!!! P.S we are already using All About Spelling book 1, writing is thru' history narrations/copy work, pathway readers & history readers. DD is reading fine! yeah!
  17. Hi! I resisted PLL/ILL for years and used Abeka - boring but effective:001_huh:. For the last year I've used PLL for my 3rd gr twins and like the format and the gentle CM approach but I add a lot to it to make have the grammar stand out more. So, for those of you experts, is FLL better and if so why? Thanks for your wisdom in advance.
  18. I use FLL Levels 1 and 2 with dd7, and ds10 used it at that age, too. They both memorized the parts of speech and other items in that book. Ds has gone through R&S 3 and 4, and is at the beginning of R&S 5. At one point, I thought he should continue to memorize grammar rules and definitions from R&S, too. So I started out with having him write down the "Remember" boxes from R&S 4 on a sheet of paper in his English notebook, but never had him actually memorize them. Then I quit having him do that partway through R&S 4. The reason I quit having ds write them down and never had him work on memorizing them, is that in further levels of R&S, I would find the same concepts written out in the "Remember" boxes, but with more sophisticated explanation. Which is appropriate as kids get older. And I also found that he was retaining the concept in general by doing the oral reviews in R&S. But I wondered what the use was of memorizing a "Remember" box rule or definition in the lower levels, if the wording of the concept was going to get more sophisticated as we went along, and he'd have to slightly change what he had memorized each year. I was afraid it would be too confusing to change the memory work slightly each year. I'm now starting to think it's important to have my kids memorize grammar rules, definitions, and lists (like helping verbs, prepositions, subject pronouns, etc.). Then, I read today in my WTM (logic stage grammar section) that kids should be memorizing these things (I hadn't noticed this before). So, if you have your kids do this type of work throughout their school years, how do you go about it, without the possible confusion I described above (R&S or otherwise)?
  19. We've had the CD for well over a year now, maybe even 2 years total. But never used it, it just kind of slid to the back of the CD cabinet. But I pulled it out to use on the day we spend too much time in the car. And it's a hit. My 4 year old especially loves the fairy tales. Even though we've read them in FLL, it's nice to have the CD. Just a recommendation if you don't have it. We are enjoying it (finally) here.
  20. I'm using FLL with my two older boys, 7 and almost 6, and loving it. We are on lessons 113 and 47 respectively. My 7 yo does fine with writing - he doesn't really like to do it, but he will and he has been progressing. My 6 yo is not a writer - he hasn't really progressed over the last year. So I'm not overly concerned because they are young and they are boys, but I'm feeling the need to do something more than just handwriting practice. . . So I see that Peace Hill Press has WWE and I'm wondering how and when or if WWE fits in with FLL. TIA! Lisa
  21. Quick question! Is FLL set out for a 5 day week and WWE a 4 day week or the other way around! I read it somewhere but can't find it lol! Thanks! Stephanie
  22. Does anyone have any tips for doing this yet? I'm finding that trying to simplify and streamline our lessons isn't very simple. There's a lot of cross referencing between the two and trying to get the topics to line up is kind of tricky. The perfectionist in me is probably overcomplicating things. Any help?
  23. Or did you find it didn't stick or carry over to the higher grammar programs? How well did it prepare your child for 3rd grade and up grammar? Would you use it again? Thanks, Sandy
  24. I was excited about ordering my copy of FLL 1&2 for my 1st grader. When I got it I was disappointed. The first 45 lessons focus on nouns, most of which realte to family members over & over. Maybe my son will like this, I don't know. But, have people modified this? Liked it? Used something different? What's a good alternative? Has anyone used A Beka 1 or 2? Thanks- Karena
  25. Can I jump right into FLL3 without having completed FLL 1 and 2? We just couldn't seem to get through that first book. My little guy does really well if he has a page before him to complete. With the format of the first book being so dependent on auditory learning it just wasn't a good fit. He is 7 but doing mostly 3rd grade work and is reading on a 4th grade level. Will this work for us? Thanks!
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