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  1. My head is about to explode trying to make this decision. I have put it off long enough, so I have come to the people I know will talk me through this. I have two students taking chemistry this year: 9th grade dyslexic dd who wants to eventually get a job in wildlife management or some other animal-related field. 11th grade Liberal Arts major ds who is science-phobic and loaded with other AP and language courses. Dd will use this as a "Pre-AP" course and expects to do Biology next year, then another chemistry course later. Ds just wants to mark the "science with lab" box and move on to his love of literature, grammar and government. I am considering Conceptual Chemistry and definitely want to add more of a lab component. Also, I think a fun foray into some "kitchen chemistry" when time allows would go over well here. Alton Brown has been a favorite for years. (Not to mention that I am trying to incorporate a "Life Skills" course to help the 16yo alleviate his fear of actually doing something in the kitchen.) Here is where I explain my dilemma. To this point, my ds has a fairly rigorous transcript filled with AP's and honor classes. Unfortunately, he was so swamped last year that life was not fun. Part of me is panicking a bit that this may not be accepted as a "true" chemistry class by colleges. The other part of me wants to say, "What the Hay?", all of his other classes this year are very rigorous and time-consuming. Let's have some fun, learn the concepts, do some experiments, keep the math fairly light (although I do have the Zumdahl "World of Chemistry" teacher text and hope to supplement a little bit with the math in there), and "mark the science box". Dd struggles somewhat with reading, although science seems to "click" with her. I am questioning doing a chemistry course with her this early, though. I know there is a discussion out there about the benefits of taking a "conceptual chemistry" class before biology and this does seem to make sense to me. Usually, it is the math that keeps the chemistry at bay until at least after Algebra 1. Dd will be taking them concurrently. Also, I am debating the following labs: Home Scientist basic lab Microchem Throw all caution to the wind and do some TOPS, Kitchen Chemistry, and dig around in the Chem3000 set I already own. I have to say it goes against everything I have done with him for the past several years to actually be thinking about a course that is not considered rigorous, but I also want it to be fun for all of us. I would love to hear what the hive thinks about this.
  2. Is this actually a high school level Chemistry course? Some websites say definitely while others say "for the non-science" person meaning.... Thanks, Myra
  3. Do you just find another science course besides chemistry? I'm thinking ahead here for my rising 7th grade student. I know it's way early yet, but I just can't see her being able to handle chemistry. My own dc used Apologia Chemistry and did great with it (made A's), but I can already tell that this is going to be way, way beyond the capabilities of my younger student (the family friend I am currrently teaching). I am formulating a middle school & high school curriculum sequence for her, and the thought of having to teach her chemistry is scary!
  4. you'll probably be interested in the author's response to that question. This is my first time posting:blush5: I'm including my own question, so that you can understand the context the question was posed in. What he says makes perfect sense to me! Here it goes... Hi Midori, Thank you for your interest in Conceptual Chemistry. I should tell you a bit about some of the problems we college professors face when teaching general chemistry: 1) Our students have such widely varied experiences in previous chemistry courses. So much so, that we can't assume much. Therefore, we take the attitude that we're starting from scratch. Any insight that students bring with them from previous courses is an added plus. Often, though, we spend time "unteaching". Working with conversion factors is often a hurdle in that regard. 2) Many of our students are whizzes at math. They can plug through the questions at the end of the chapter and come through with the correct answers. But they don't understand what those answers mean. We find that these students have done quite well in their high school (even AP) courses. They're accustomed to doing well, which is why they get irate to discover that their old algorithmic methods are no longer working. In college we demand conceptual understanding along with mathematical prowess. 3) Then there's the flip side of #2. Many students are strong with the concepts, but they are weak with the math. They too suffer. Conceptual Chemistry is foremost a college chemistry text for the nonscience major. My students are typically seniors who have delayed taking their science requirement to their last semester of college. These are student who are not destined to become future scientists. But they are destined to become the general public, which has an incredible need to understand the workings and discoveries of science. The nature of this curriculum has made it also popular with high schools. The chemistry is NOT watered down. This is a serious college level course amenable to motivated younger students. That said, as per its title, the focus is on the concepts of chemistry. Quantitative problem solving, such as stoichiometry, is certainly included but it's not the main entree. Does Conceptual Chemistry work well for a student who is confident that he or she will be taking college level general chemistry? Yes. But only if the student is doing well with his or her math courses. The mathematics of general chemistry really aren't that complicated. What's really important are the analytical thinking skills that math helps to nurture. The students who are most adequately prepared for college general chemistry are the ones with a strong handle on the concepts of chemistry alongside strong analytical thinking skills. Keep in mind #1 from above. I disagree with the idea that Conceptual Chemistry needs to be followed up with a more rigorous math-intensive high school chemistry course. I agree, however, that it must be supplemented with math-intensive math courses. Keep in mind #3 from above. Ultimately, it depends on the student. Some will do well in college Gen Chem with very little background in either the concepts or the math. What is most important is that the student be excited about the chemistry. This is particularly true for the high school student who is just beginning to decide career paths. Too much too soon could turn some students off. For others, though, they may be chomping at the bit. I recommend your child take a look at a "math intensive" chemistry book along side Conceptual Chemistry, 4e. If they happen to pick CC4e, make sure that they've also read this email. Will I end up with a Problem Solving book like that of Conceptual Physics? Not in the immediate future. But thank you for suggesting it. I should mention that CC4e is now being fitted with my publisher's Mastering Chemistry tutorial/assessment program, which I know will be very attractive to homeschoolers. It will be ready by this summer. You should check out the following link: MasteringChemistry.com I hope you find this information helpful. You are welcome to post this reply to the homeschool forums. I would very much appreciate that. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Good chemistry to you, John On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:33 AM, TM Stock wrote: > Dear Dr. Suchocki, > > We are homeschoolers and I’d like to use “Conceptual Chemistry†for our children’s high school years, but I have a few questions. >> > 1. It seems that among homeschooling community “Conceptual Chemistry†is considered as a pre-chem course, which needs to be followed up by a more rigorous math-intensive chemistry sometime during the high school. In other words, they think “Conceptual Chemistry†cannot constitute a full high-school chemistry course. Is this true? Our children want to pursue science majors in universities. Would “Conceptual Chemistry†prepare them on its own? We are not interested in AP course – my question pertains to “Conceptual Chemistry†as the only chemistry course the future science majors take during their high-school years. > > > 2. If “Conceptual Chemistry†indeed needs to be supplemented with problem-solving exercises for future science majors, is there any plan to publish its math component in the same vein as “Conceptual Physicsâ€â€™s new Problem Solving book? I think this is a fabulous idea – people using Conceptual series can just add problem solving component as needed, rather than going through a whole new book later to cover the math part. > > > I’d really appreciate it if you could answer these questions. And if need be, may I quote your answer on the homeschool forums? >> > Regards, >> > Midori
  5. Well, I'm settling into biology this year. But, what to use for Chemistry?
  6. We are looking for a high school chemistry science course, but I am hoping to find one that is not rigorous. Can anyone give suggestions? Thank you, friends!
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