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  1. I really need something for 11th/12th grade. Apologia is to hard. Is there anything else?? Dd failed Chemistry. It was way to hard and she could not understand it at all. Is there anything she could do to get a Chemistry credit??
  2. I found the Prentice Hall student textbook cheap, so I bought it. I have narrowed down my choices to these two. My question is, if I choose Prentice Hall what about labs? Everyone raves about the labs for Spectrum, so what are suggestions for equally good labs to pair with Prenctice Hall? TIA.
  3. I'm teaching an Intro to Chemistry class in our co-op for 2nd and 3rd graders. Does anyone know of some good books that introduce concepts like matter, atoms, molecules, density, gases, liquids, and solids? Let's Read and Find Out Science type or easy reader that explains these topics. Thanks!
  4. Do you just find another science course besides chemistry? I'm thinking ahead here for my rising 7th grade student. I know it's way early yet, but I just can't see her being able to handle chemistry. My own dc used Apologia Chemistry and did great with it (made A's), but I can already tell that this is going to be way, way beyond the capabilities of my younger student (the family friend I am currrently teaching). I am formulating a middle school & high school curriculum sequence for her, and the thought of having to teach her chemistry is scary!
  5. Sorry - this is long and it contains lots of information all mushed together. My son has two more years of high school left. We are slowly working our way through Blitzer Precalc and Dolciani Algebra 2 this year and are working on our second year of very loosely structured natural history for science. The year before that we did a very little chemistry (very little). The year before that, he followed along with his older brother and me when we did Conceptual Physics. Last fall, he took drawing and speech at the community college, just to get him used to being in a classroom. He is headed for engineering school, hopefully, when he goes off to four-year college. It looks like he is going to do fairly well on the SATs, not spectacularly well, but not too badly either. So - from now on out, he is going to take his math and science (and anything else he wants) at the community college. We are not worried about whether the classes he takes transfer to his 4-year college. We have already decided that we are not going to try to have him do the 2-year transfer program. He is brightish, but I am not sure he is so bright that he can successfully go to engineering school a year or two early. We are having him take the community college classes because: -We want him to have more classroom experience before engineering school. -I don't feel confident teaching calculus, physics, and chemistry to a future engineering student. (I've had them but I don't remember them and I'm not a very good teacher.) -We want the classes for college entrance purposes. The question is - which science and math do I sign him up for? He has almost no experience with textbook science. He has done very little formal physics and chemistry and that was years ago. He will have finished the sections of Blitzer that the CC covers for pre-calculus, but his retention is horrible. If he gets bad grades, it will severely hamper his ability to get into college because I don't give grades and colleges will have only this and his SAT scores by which to judge him. I seem to remember some people here saying that students who try to take engineering classes at CC and then continue on with their sequals at a polytech or university flounder badly and quit. We are not sure we want him to start his engineering science and math higher up in the sequence. It might be better to start with his classmates and have things be less hard while he is adjusting to college. We are hoping he goes somewhere interesting, in other words, not the easiest of engineering schools. He is likely to struggle even if he starts with the beginning classes. I also remember some people here saying their students restarted the math sequence once their student began at CC. On the other hand, that seems a bit extreme, considering my son will be 17 and 18 for those two years and is fairly good at math. (Any math problems are probably my bad teaching and a naturally bad memory.) Backing up in math would require doing Intermediate Algebra, Precalc 1, Precalc 2, and then our CC's three semester calculus sequence. We have heard that it is not a bad idea to take some of those huge lecture classes at community college instead, where the classes are smaller. Ours has transfer agreements with our state university and various other univerisities. It has an engineering transfer program and a nursing program. If some of the classes did transfer, it might let him take some cool other electives. I don't want him to be so bored that he gives up, either, or doesn't study and flunks. Do we sign him up for introductory chem 1+2? This is the one my other son took. It assumes no previous experience in chemistry. Do we sign him up for general chemistry, the one that might transfer to engineering school? Where do we put him in math? I have no faith at all in the placement test. It put both my children, the non-mathy tests badly one and the mathy tests well one, higher than the amount of math they had studied. Does anybody have any thoughts about this? Or any suggestions for finding out more information so I have a better chance of getting this right? I am in a total panic about this. -Nan
  6. I am planning on using Spectrum Chemistry next year for my 2 olders (both will be done with Algebra) and one additional freshman (a friend). I'd appreciate some insight on ideal scheduling. . . I'd like to plan it so we just need to meet once a week as a group to do exp'ts & the kids can do the reading/exercises on their own, with help from me (teacher) as needed. . . I was wondering if it would be practical to meet once a week for 3 hours? 1 hr to go over previous week's reading/exercises to preview any important concepts for the coming week. .. and 2 hrs to do exp'ts. Would that be a reasonable allotment of time, allowing approximately 2 hours of independent work each week (readings & exercises) as well, so 5 hrs/wk total? Is that too much? Where could I condense? TIA
  7. I am about to lose my mind over what to use for Chemistry for my dd for 7th grade. My criteria for the program is that I don't want anything too heavy duty-ish. She is going to be having a fairly hefty load next year with history, literature and writing, so I don't want to burn her out with a rigorous science program. But I don't want it to be baby-ish either. I have thought out all of my options and have narrowed it down to 2choices: Elements by McHenry (if I do this then I will also do Carbon Chemistry,) or Middle School Chemistry by the American Chemical Society. My concern is that Elements will be too baby-ish for her. In the RR catalogue they cite it for ages 9 to 13, but the description (songs, games) looks like it may be too young for her. For those that have used Elements, am I right in my thinking? Can someone help me straighten my thinking over which curriculum would be better for a light year of science for a 12 yr. old? Thanks
  8. Well the title pretty much says it all. I'm looking for a fun way to learn the Periodic Table of the Elements. I remember in hs being able to take a blank chart and fill it in and I'd like dd to be able to do the same. Any other fun chemistry links would be appreciated too! :)
  9. Background: DS is taking Biology 2 through Wonderfully made book by Apologia. He took Biology 1 last year as an 8th grade. He will be starting Algebra soon. The Apologia text was ok. I am not thrilled with them but it served its purpose for Biology from a Christian perspective. I also used the Teaching Co. dvds for the Biology 2 stuff to get the "other" side vewpoint. Now I am looking ahead for this fall. Chemistry!! I am NOT thrilled with using Apologia for this. I already bought the Teaching Co. DVDs for Chemistry to use as a supplement to whatever we used. I am looking into CC for this as well. Right now I am choking at the price of Chemistry class at IUPUI. So I am looking into either Marion college or another CC college in the area to see if they are cheaper. Most homeschool co-ops use Apologia for Chemistry. I know I can do Chemistry at home as it was my favorite subject in high school. I made A's in that class. However my issue is the labs. I really do not feel that Apologia labwork is sufficient for high school lab. The book I know is up to par even though I am not thrilled with using it as it is way too complicated for me. (too wordy!!) I am considering other options so are there any other books out there that is sufficient and easier to peruse than Apologia? If you have something that you love for Chemistry would you mind posting it and tell me why you liked it? Did you student like it? If you used Apologia how did you handle the labs being so simple? Did you feel it was sufficient for a high school lab? Lastly, ds is not going into the science field so it really doesn't matter doesn't?? Then again he may change his mind once he gets into college?? Thanks!! Holly
  10. I know I've posted quite a few science questions, but I'm still pretty much floundering when it comes to science. We have not been consistent with science instruction until this year. We have done a lot of field trips and groups in the past for science, and I've been fine with that, really. This year we have used God's Design for Science. We finished The Human Body and are now doing The Planet Earth. I like those just okay. I like The Planet Earth much much less than The Human Body. We have done a lot of life science, a little earth science, but no chemistry or physical science. I had thought about doing a few of the God's Design for Chemistry and Physics for next year, and we might still do those, especially if I don't find anything else that I like. One thing I do like about God's Design is that it is designed for multiple ages, so it's easy to fold in the littles. All that to say that I would love to hear your tentative science plans for middle and high school. I'm trying to formulate something that will give me a general overview. My oldest will be in 6th grade next year, and she is the one I am planning for. I had planned to use Apologia General Science starting in 7th grade, but again, that could change. Thanks!!
  11. I have been busy working putting together pages for our high school plans that many people ask me about all the time. Here are the links...hope they are helpful. Remember I homeschool using both the classical model and Charlotte Mason methods for homeschooling so I tend to go with a more "living books" approach to courses. Chemistry for High Schoolers Astronomy for High Schoolers Notebooking in High School Videography for High School Robotics for High School Charlotte Mason for High School including this one in case you are interested in seeing how I pull her ideas into our homeschool
  12. I just came across this science website that includes short videos about each element in the periodic table. The Periodic Table of Videos
  13. Hello, I am looking for a secular science curriculum for my 6th grade son. We are just beginning to homeschool him in partnership with a public online school. Throughout his school years he has been apathetic towards science. His grades have been mediocre in this subject I like what I've read/seen inregards to the R.E.A.L. Science Odyssey curriculum but it looks like its intended for 5th grade or younger students. What I would really like is to find a curriculum that would help him become interested and excited about learning science. I work full-time from home so also need a curriculum that has a solid lesson plan and teaching guides. I appreciate any/all recommendations! Thanks in advance.
  14. My DH and I are tossing around whether to do Classical COnversations next year and I really feel like the only reason I want to enroll the girls is because it will give me a crutch to get through the advanced sciences in HS. I am comfortable with the maths, history, and all that. How would I do Bio, Chem, and Physics at the upper levels? Just trying to plan ahead! Thanks ladies!
  15. I was searching for recommendations on whether the periodic table should be memorized (at least part of it) by atomic number or column/group. Many are of the opinion that this is a waste of time. Is that the general consensus among classical HSers? If so, what are better ideas for science memory? TIA!!
  16. I am trying to choose something for a precocious son who is interested in Chemistry and Physics. Would something like Friendly Chemistry work? What about Conceptual Physics/Chemistry? I don't know much about these curricula, and I would like to find something that would interest him. Any opinions, thoughts, or ideas?
  17. I've found Christian Kids Explore Chemistry, Real Science 4 Kids Chemistry Level 2, and Elements: The Ingredients of the Universe Introduction to Chemistry. They all look interesting, but I need to decide on just one. I've read all about each one at their websites and at Rainbow Resource. Can anyone help me narrow this down? This would be for next year's 7th grader who loves science, and the mom who isn't naturally inclined towards science, but does get a little more interested when she sees her son enjoying it. The mom also tends to be a little on the disorganized side. Any thoughts on which one would work best for us?
  18. Looking ahead to next year, I'm looking for Christian, open-and-go, and won't-break-the-bank Chemistry program for 7th grade. Ds wants full color, experiments and challenging but fun. Does this exist?
  19. If you're teaching chemistry to a kid who likes Harry Potter, you must see this: http://www.knittedthoughts.com/2010/11/harry-potter-sings-periodical-table-of.html
  20. We are 2 years from high school, and I'm trying to understand what to do for science. I understand the reasoning behind the physics first movement (physics, chemistry, biology), yet I am not completely comfortable with this. "Conceptual" sounds great because it helps a student understand, but I just can't ignore the importance of being able to do the math behind the science. That said, I do like the idea of doing chemistry in 9th to prepare for biology since biology has a chemistry base. BUT.... I really don't know what chemistry would be good for a 9th grader. (DD will have Alg. I in 8th grade. Math is getting done, but doesn't come easily.) Spectrum Chemistry and Prentice Hall Chemistry seem to be the most popular as I read the science threads. I also know of Apologia, but is there anything else to choose from? Spectrum sounds very home school friendly, yet Spectrum and Apologia sound like they suffer from the same problem: They are only complete IF they are followed by an advanced class. I realize that chemistry "usually" is taken in 10th, yet I want to find a "complete" 9th grade chemistry that covers enough chemistry to prepare for biology and to prepare for PSAT and ACT testing. I would also like it to be home school friendly. See, I want it ALL! :D Does this exist? 9th chemistry 10th biology 11th physics 12th advanced science based on career choice If you were going to study science in this order, what would you choose for chemistry? (Just as an aside, I'm trying to determine the same for biology, and have found Shepherd Science looks interesting..... still a long way off from choosing.) Any help would be so greatly appreciated!!!
  21. DS was asking what cool, out of the box stuff we can do for Chemistry and US government. Yikes. I have only been researching how to hs high school and trying to find the perfect curriculum, I forgot about the reason we've decided to hs in the first place! So, what cool ideas do you have for us? And, yes, I FINALLY started slogging through the Breadth vs Depth thread. If I go through a few pages a day, I should have it read by the holidays! :lol:
  22. Given how short the MIT seminar course is, what would you suggest to beef this up enough to be worth a full year credit? My ds15 loves to cook and has requested it be worked into his 10th grade curriculum. Fine by me. He is still progressing on cementing his math foundation though, so any chemistry that is heavy in upper math is going to be rough. I have the following resources on hand to use, so I'd love feedback on how and how much you would incorporate. A friend is giving me TTC chemistry on VHS, so I plan to add that in a bit if I can. The reviews say the math in it isn't explained very well? There's the book recs on Macbeth's Opinion. I have Van Cleave's Chemistry for every kid , typically middle school stuff? Prentice Halls chemistry texts, which looks very intimidating! Apologia chemistry, nice clear unclutterred layout. Illustrated guide to home chemistry experiments, which I personallly think looks awesome and the writer is very nice and prohomeschool and has a helpful msg board. hmmm. Looking through this as I type, I might have just answered my own questions. He has an section of the book that says what a high school student should start with, intermediate work, and then what to progress to all the way up to AP course work. Short of bunsen burners, I have just about everything I need to make a complete home lab set up. and I have safe alternatives to bunsen burners available. So opinions? I need to think about this... I need a spreadsheet..;) brainstorm with me will you? Please?
  23. Does anyone have any "living books" suggestions that I can add to my daughter's chemistry course this fall? We are using Apologia. I have Exploring the World of Chemistry, but I can't come up with any others. I thought it would be nice to maybe do one each quarter. Any ideas?
  24. Per TWTM, we're on course to do chemistry in the fall, and my daughter is very into science, so I think all the more reason to study a new area (we've done life, earth, and astronomy). I've done some research here and elsewhere, so I've narrowed down our choices to these: Elemental Science The Elements Classic Science Elementary Chemistry Real Science Odyssey Chemistry Christian Kids Explore Chemistry The first one seems more classically oriented, which reminds me of Apologia (we just did their astronomy and loved it), but I'm drawn to the whimsicalness and creativity of the 2nd and 3rd, as my daughter gravitates toward colorful illustrations & humor. The last two seem the most comprehensive/thorough. I'm fine with getting two of these, but I can't justify spending for more than that. Most are around $25/30 (bound) but the 3rd & 4th are $50, so that's another consideration. Cathy Duffy reviewed the Christian one and said it isn't "in your face" that way, but I actually like the idea of God at least being mentioned because that was a big part of what we both enjoyed about Apologia. I'm also a little worried about all the experiments, as that's an area where I tend to be weak, though I'm bucking up for the challenge, since I know this subject is less theoretical and more hands-on, especially at this age. Still, I'd probably like something that's more evenly balanced between knowledge and practical application. ...So, has anyone used any of these with a child in the grammar stage, and what did you think?
  25. I was thinking of buying the Thames and Kosmos 2000 chem kit for my upcoming 7th grader, but cannot have it shipped to Canada, due to a chemical that is included. I took this rec from the new WTM, thanks to a poster in my other thread. I've read threads on RS4K and the McHenry items that I've seen people talk about. Waiting to hear back a bit more about those things on my other thread, but I'm also wondering if anyone here does or has done a DIY chem course for a 7th/8th grader? It doesn't seem like it should be too hard, but I don't know.... I'm just thinking this because in the 2004 WTM, the rec is to buy a chemistry kit, and do the experiments, along with reading from/studying Mastering the Periodic Table, and Atoms and Molecules. So, I have these two books, and I can get some supplementary elements books from the library (also rec'd in the 2004 WTM), and I'm wondering how hard it would be to just use a chemistry experiment book and buy some equipment and chemicals? I have Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments out of the library; the author states that some of the experiments in there can be done by late middle schoolers. I also have Hands On Chemistry Experiments With Real Life Applications (rec'd in the high school section of WTM). The Illustrated Guide is nice because it tells how to acquire chemicals and equipment, and it's clear about safety. The Hands On guide mostly just has experiments and explanations....I wonder if I could combine the two, buy stuff, and go from there....I wouldn't mind starting to acquire equipment now, esp. if we use it again for high school. I just don't really want to buy bits and pieces of yet another "program," if I can do this, acquiring what I'd need for high school anyway, with what I already have at home, plus maybe the Illustrated Guide for purchasing help. In other words, I'm trying not to spend what I don't have to spend, yet I want a good course, and I don't mind buying for the future. Any successful experience with DIY logic stage chem, and it preparing your child for high school chemistry? If you did, what would be some basic advice you could give about what to cover and how to put this together, and what would be basic equipment/chemicals you would buy? Thank you.
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