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  1. I'm looking ahead and looking at AoPS. Right now I'm thinking about my oldest who is not particularly mathy. I'm wondering if anyone can comment on whether the following possible sequence is thorough "enough". Ideally, I would love to see him doing the pre-algebra book in 6th grade, but if his math education ends up looking like the following, is that going to look bad or incomplete to most? Grade 7 - pre-algebra Grade 8 - start intro to algebra Grade 9 - finish intro to algebra; do counting/probability or number theory if we finish early Grade 10 - geometry Grade 11 - intermediate algebra Grade 12 - pre-calc I guess I feel like most people here want their child to do calculus in grade 12, but is doing pre-calc in grade 12 considered behind or lacking?
  2. I looked on Singapore Math's website under the content pages of each level to find where division by a two digit number is introduced, but couldn't find it. (Example : 5628 divided by 12) I also tried to find where negative number computations are introduced? Same results. We had used SM exclusively for many years. My dd is currently in 5A. We just recently started Hands On Equations for supplemental math fun. She is loving it! I think AoPS Pre-Algebra for my DD next year, when she is in 6th, would be a nice fit (aside from the two concepts mentioned above, she is ready). Could someone shed some light on finding those concept introductions for me? Also, any advice on prep for these two concepts, so that she is ready for AoPS pre-algebra? Thanks!
  3. I know that AoPS Intro to Algebra covers many topics that are typically found in Algebra II. What about the Prealgebra? I figure it goes deeper but is there any concepts that you believe are more typically found in Algebra I?
  4. Well she's not so much mad at me as at the situation. She's very bright in math and has been ahead from the beginning. Last year (6th grade) we did LOF Beginning Algebra and AoPS Introduction to Algebra. She did great. I was ready to move on to Geometry this year (7th grade) but frankly I'm starting to panic about math credits. In our area, things are very competitive in the high schools and nearly everyone takes Algebra before high school. But even the most advanced students don't do more than Algebra and Geometry before high school. If we do Geometry this year, that means Algebra2/Trig in 8th grade, Pre-calc in 9th and Calculus in 10th. Most colleges I've looked at want 4 years of math done during high school, so even though she would have Calculus she wouldn't have enough math. We have a community college but its not really an option since it caters to to main groups - adults going back to school and kids kicked out of high school. Either group would be very difficult for a young girl to be with. Graduating early is also not an option because she's an athlete hoping for a gymnastics scholarship and will need the full 4 years to develop her skills and get ready. Plus - why rush being young? So I decided maybe we need to just do more Algebra. She's not pleased. She has a heavy load this year so I thought having math be pretty easy would be a blessing but she's not convinced. She'll do it if I want her to but maybe it's not the right option. Do you think I can just keep going with math and worry about it when we are done with Calculus? LOF has Linear Algebra and Statistics but I don't want to end up with things on her transcript that schools might think are bogus since some schools are less ready to believe homeschool transcripts than others. I don't worry about my oldest because she's only applying to Christian colleges that are very homeschool friendly. Since this one is looking for an athletic scholarship, it's very unlikely to be a Christian school. (as far as I know only Seattle Pacific is the only Christian college has a competitive gymnastics team) So I have to be more 'main stream' prepared. Sorry to babble so much. Thoughts? Thanks Heather
  5. How do you think this would work a "year behind" for a non mathy kid? What I mean is, using the Pre-Algebra book during the Algebra 1 year, the Algebra 1 book during the Algebra 2 year and so forth? I LOVE the idea of AoPS but dd is not strong in math. Maybe this would help that? TIA
  6. After much discussion, my DH and DS have talked me into letting DS try AoPS Geometry this year for 9th grade. DS says that he wants to learn by discovery and DH says the boy just needs more challenge. My doubts remain. However, I found a used set for a good price and that decided it for me... for now. =) I think there is a good chance that this won't work for us. For that reason in particular, I would like to have a good, reasonable schedule that accomplishes the class in an academic year. This, I hope, will give me benchmarks so I will know if I need to pull the plug and move to something easier. Preferably, we can make that move before we have lost too much of the current year. I *really* don't want to do summer math again. Does anyone have a schedule that they have used? As I look at AoPS, some lessons seem much easier than others, so I am hesitant to just "peanut butter smear" the sections across the year. Do you feel that the difficulty is evenly paced? Or weighted more towards the beginning, middle, or end? I appreciate your help, Thanks, Sandra
  7. Can you share your personal experience choosing or using middle school math textbooks with math-loving kids? THANKS! ETA edited because I found a lot of answers on the Singapore forums, but I would still love to know the personal experiences of people here.
  8. I'm considering this for the coming year for my mathy rising seventh-grader. If you have used it, did you like it? Did you feel you got what you paid for interms of help from the instructor, or was it more feeling your way through and self-guided? Do the online classes correspond to the textbooks? The Intro to Algebra textbook seems much more comprehensive than the online class schedule. Also, the online classes seem to be one semester classes as opposed to the texts which seem to be designed for a full year. Any information is greatly appreciated!
  9. We are currently halfway through Singapore 4A, so I've got a few years before we have to make the where are we going to go next decision. I'd like to have an idea of where we are going because I generally have to buy books a year or so in advance to avoid crazy shipping prices. I've looked at the samples of AoPS on the website and I have a few questions for those of you who use it. Do you do any teaching or do you just hand the book over? What is the preferred sequence for the AoPS? Do you use anything else alongside of AoPS? If you used Singapore before AoPS... What AoPS book did you start with? How did you dc make the transition? Is there anything that we could do now that would better prepare us for the transition? Thanks for any information you can give!
  10. As implied by the title:), I'm looking for schedules for Art of Problem Solving vol 1 and/or AoPS Intro to Algebra, similar to the schedules put out by Core Foundations, My Father's World, or Donna Young. We have been so spoiled having these handy schedules to map things out by day -- yes I can do one myself but I really don't want to reinvent the wheel if it's out there. Otherwise I suppose I could just have my son do one lesson in each book each day and not make a schedule at all? He is currently doing an online AoPS problem solving class that ends in 3 weeks. Then I'm planning that he'll start working on these two books simultaneously and do them through the summer until he starts a local algebra class in the fall. It's a fast paced class so I think having some confidence and knowledge ahead of time will be really helpful, but I don't want to burn him out over the summer either. Maybe we'll just do the intro to algebra and save problem solving for next summer? He started LoF Beginning Algebra awhile back but he doesn't care for it much (and he loved fractions & decimals so this really surprised me!) I realize I am thinking as I type here and I apologize; as you can see advice is much needed here!!
  11. I have a ds who is really good with math and getting bored... I used Lial Introductory Algebra this year and am planning to use Jacob's Geometry next year. I just encountered AoPS--sounds like it may be good for him, but I wanted some input on that program. How is it different from Lial and Jacob's?
  12. All thoughts welcome. I'm down to one 3 weeks to decide. They both look GREAT. TONS of up-sides. Down-sides to AOPS: New...limited background info, not many moms to discuss it. Down-sides to NEM: Need to stick with it throughout h.s. Doesn't define the terms, so the vocabulary in college would be new Every time I say it, I hear Dorothy in my head saying, "Auntie Em! Auntie Em!" Or is it possible to do both?
  13. I was looking at enrolling my daughter in an AOPS class this spring. I noticed that there are quite a few people teaching the classes. Is there anyone in particular I should look for when registering - any specific teacher you'd recommend? Thanks!
  14. Are these both supposed to be one semester long? Thanks!
  15. We're a mathy family here, so I'm feeling kind of like a failure here, but I closed the book today and said, "Enough." My math-loving son was diligently struggling through hours of math a day and getting nowhere. It took nearly two months to get through two chapters and I know he couldn't pass any review tests. He understands algebra, but this is....different. My husband and I are struggling to understand half of the problems ourselves...and this is our *thing*, ya know? I haven't heard a negative word about AoPS yet, so it's kind of embarrassing to admit, but I just do not "get" some of these questions. Anyone that gets it feel like helping to clear the mud on this one? 2.38 What number must be in the blank in the expression 3(x+7)-_(2x+9) if the expression is the same for all values of x? The solution manual says that "if the expression is the same for all values of x, then the x's in 3(x+7) must cancel out with those in _(2x+9). My question is...WHY must they cancel out? It's a random, unfinished number sentence. What is in the original problem that tells me they must cancel? What am I missing here? Knowing they must cancel, we can work the problem, but I'm not grasping why I should know they cancel each other out. :svengo: My other question is, what do I do with this book now? Do I take him through NEM and then come back to this or avoid it forever? I've never given up on a program before. I chose it because the other algebra books were too easy. We've ran into hard things in other books before, but stopped and worked through and moved on. Every day I see him patiently ramming his head into the AoPS wall and it's not something I can help him just "work through" this time. Even though I know that, I still hear Frankie Avalon in my head singing AoPS Drop-Out. :blush:
  16. My 13 yo son did great with Singapore. After 6b, we did an old Dolciani for a little while to keep him working while I tried to figure out what to do next. I opted for the AoPS Algebra instead of NEM. We're only two weeks in and he's already overwhelmed. He did REALLY well with Singapore. He understands the concept of algebra fine. But AoPS is throwing negative and fractional exponents in right off the bat and doing hardly any review before upping the difficulty. He thrives on challenge, but this is too much! Where do we go from here??:confused:
  17. If you've used this, what order did you do the books in? As listed on the site?
  18. A bit of a happy braggishy thing. :) My dd, just turned 12, is loving the AoPS Number Theory book. She adamantly refused to do LOF Pre-Alg/Bio this summer, so I told her she had to do something, and this is what she picked. She just finished Singapore 6b - I wasn't really sure if she could handle it, but I'd been feeling this year like I'd been holding her back for her twin's sake, and figured we could take it slow if we needed to. She is doing great with it - we'll get about 1/2way through this summer; we'd plan to finish it for next summer's math. I did tell her she could skip the challenge problems for now (figured we could come back to them when she's a bit older and perhaps has a bit of Algebra under her belt), but she's doing all the regular exercises no problem. She asked me today if there were more number theory courses she could take when she finished the book! I'm so proud of her; she's so proud of herself. I'm so happy I've separated the twins for math!! (it really wasn't a big issue till this last year) Heh, I'm figuring this'll make the first few chapters of Singapore DM in the fall a piece of cake. :) (and y'know what? I'm loving the Number Theory book... I feel like it's giving me a deeper understanding of things - why don't they teach the cool stuff in school?)
  19. For anyone who has had a 7th grader or younger complete AOPS's Intro to Algebra as part of homeschool, is it realistic to expect to cover the whole thing in a year if you don't do it 5 days a week? My family's kind of swamped this year and I can only provide "class" instruction for math three times a week. (In fact, has anyone made a schedule or syllabus I can reference for realistic daily goals?) I'm also wondering about how much your students self-taught, and how you handled the challenge problems. My inclination is to require the non-starred problems and make the starred problems extra credit if he completes them himself but also to make sure we talk about them all in any case. For background: My son (not quite 12, going into 7th) completed Singapore through 6B in grade 4 and Key to Algebra series in 5th grade. For 6th, he went to a one-yr. environmental school where the math was grade level but more or less self-taught. He can handle the difficulty but math is not necessarily his passion, and he does have a challenging schedule this year. Thanks for any responses -- I've crossposted elsewhere to no avail.
  20. My dd is 13, going into 8th. We're considering Algebra 1 for this summer with AoPS. I'm wondering when the AoPS classes potentially are not a good fit. She did fine with the placement test, fwiw. I wouldn't even be considering it if she wasn't already a highly motivated academically oriented kiddo to begin with. But I wonder if it's possibly too much, too fast? Would it possibly be better to just wait till fall and have her do Lial's and use the summer to do some prep work for that, like maybe Keys to Algebra? Or might she love it and by not signing her up I'm not giving her an opportunity I should be. :confused: I know no one can make a decision for me but evidently that's what I want! :tongue_smilie: And maybe it would help me to just hear others perspectives on what they would do. TIA for any insights.
  21. How does the Classic series fit into the Introduction/Intermediate structure? I don't see the Classic series on the recommendations page. I'm getting ready to order a few Intro books, and I'm wondering if the Classics books would be beneficial, too, or if there would be overlap. TIA!
  22. We are currently using AoPS Intro to Algebra with my 13 yo. We both are enjoying it, but I am wondering how long others spend on daily lessons. My ds spends about 30 minutes daily, then we review, then done. Sometimes this seems as though he could be moving a little faster, as the online class (which we are not taking) moves much faster than this. Thanks.
  23. What say you?? Suggestions, please? This is for next year for my dd13 (then 8th grade). She's great at math, but she likes to be right all the time and is accustomed to things coming easily to her. (We're doing AoPS for the first time this spring, so we might fix that, lol.) Thinkwell has been a good fit for her, but they don't offer Geometry. . . Things I'm considering. . . AoPS's Geometry (with or without the online course) LoF Geometry * If I go with AoPS Geometry, we might take an extra 6 mos to do Number Theory first, just for fun and to fill time (no rushing needed here). . . presuming dd likes AoPS which I would assume would have to be the case if we were to choose AoPS Geometry after taking AoPS Counting & Probability!! I am not a Saxon fan. What else should I investigate?? Am I missing sth great? I am looking for sth solid, rigorous, challenging. Well presented (ideally with a DVD or online like TW, but I haven't seen anything like that). Her math background includes: Miquon & Singapore for primary math Key To Alg (first few books) Thinkwell Intermediate Alg (finishing in early Feb; A student) This spring, we'll be using Art of Problem Solving Counting & Probability. TIA!!!!!
  24. Hi Everyone, I'm new to this Forum. I have DD9 (4th) and DD11 (5th) who are in PS, in self-contained all-GATE classrooms. I try to afterschool/supplement when we can, especially in Math which they study one-grade above in school, but I figure they can always use more practice, especially as they gear up for Algebra and beyond. To broaden their math horizon and keep their interests up, I try to expose them to programs which emphasize creative problem-solving methodologies, but I wouldn't mind if they got more solid practice on the fundamentals too. Both DDs like to learn advanced concepts, but unfortunately, they also have their moments of miscalculations and calculation process errors, so practice is always good! :banghead: We have variety of things we (try) to do as enrichment when we have the time - workbooks or online courses. Since we are afterschooling /weekendschooling, I'm finding that the more structured the curriculum, the more disciplined we are. The kids do, in priority order -- 1) Beestar.com Math and GT Math (two 10 problem quizzes every week, timed and scored - I particularly like the GT Math problems which are creative and advanced. Parents can review and track progress. Kids also like the science and SS problems) 2) Singapore CWP (occasionally) 3) Ed Zaccarro's Primary and Challenge for Middle School (hit or miss, unfortunatly) 4) Math Olympiad for Elementary and Middle School (this is new, they like) Given that we seem to do better with a structured program with structured schedule (vs. workbooks), I'm thinking of investigating actual courses now: 1) CTY Online Math (not classes that are based on EPGY or Thinkwell, but the Enrichment series - ie. "Problem Solving in Arithmatic", or Competitive Series - ie. "Math Olympiad", "MathCounts" with weekly whiteboard classes etc) 2) EPGY Accelerated 3) AoPS (not quite ready yet- maybe in a year.) Question: Does anyone out there have any experience using the CTY Online Math Enrichment/Competitive Series or EPGY as a enrichment/supplement? I know many use EPGY as main curriculum, but I wasn't sure if it would be too overwhelming for afterschooling. We had very good experience with the CTY Online literature courses during the summer, hence we thought to look into their other courses. Any advice or thoughts welcome. thank you!
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