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  1. SO... I have a non-mathy kid (not my own) who is successfully using and loving AOPS. He loves math and is very bright overall but not what I would call mathy. AOPS takes him longer then it probably should (more time per day and more days overall), but he really enjoys it and is understanding everything perfectly. I tried AOPS as a last-ditch effort (after trying approx. 8,000 other math currics) and it WORKS! This is making me rethink the way I approach AOPS. I don't think it's a program for mathy kids. I think it's a program for a certain type of thinker who is *usually* mathy but not always. Just wanted to let y'all know that.
  2. My ds will finish AoPS Intro Algebra next month, and I am trying to decide what should be the next book or books in the series. I am not sure that he will like Geometry very much, in fact he has asked to start Intermediate Algebra next. I am wondering if anyone has spread out Geometry over 2 years so that the student can do Counting/Probability and Number Theory at the same time. I was thinking M,T, W Geometry, and Th, F the other books. Is this doable? I can think of 2 possible negatives: 1) If my ds dislikes geometry, it will take him 2 years instead of 1 to get through it, and 2) with so many new concepts, none of them will really sink in because he would spend only 1/2 a week on each. We could also possibly do Counting/Probability and Number theory next year, and then do a 2 year course using Geometry and Intermediate Algebra concurrently. Finally, does the Geometry book do 2 column proofs like I learned in school? Just wondering, because I really disliked them.:tongue_smilie: Suggestions? Ruth in NZ
  3. Should the AoPS Intro to Counting & Probability course count as 1/2 credit? Or a whole credit? Same question for the Intro to Number Theory course...half or whole credit? Thanks!
  4. Ds is currently in 8th grade. He's a very strong math student and is finishing up honors algebra 2 right now. In looking to the next four years, I can see great value in *not* rushing into precalculus and AP calculus in 9th and 10th grades. I have no doubt that he would handle the work just fine -- but then what? Yes, he could take statistics or head to a university to take linear algebra, but... I'm thinking that taking 9th grade to do a year of discrete math with AoPS might actually be more valuable to his ultimate depth of understanding. But there are so many books! Do we go for number theory or counting and probability or one of the original (contest-prep) type books? And will a typical book last us a semester or a school year? (And how on earth would I list it on his transcript?!) Any thoughts?
  5. ... just wondering if we'd need a transition btw. MEP Year6 and AoPS ... :bigear:
  6. As l ponder this algebra curriculum I am wondering how it compares to a Jacobs, Saxon, Chalkdust etc. Can anyone shine some light on this? Would this be a good choice for an abstract thinking child?
  7. Why would you even consider it? (Please see Post #9, where I modified/clarified my question) This might be really rude (but I hope it is not). I am sure you have seen the numerous questions about AoPS, some even for kids that don't like math. I am concerned that those of us who have used it are not being forthright enough and are not discouraging its use for non-gifted math students. Too much challenge is just as harmful as too little. We all seem to step so carefully, and I am guessing that there will be a lot of seriously frustrated students and a lot of money wasted. I don't know about the rest of AoPS uses but my ds(11) is hg and **adores** math -- and he finds Intro Algebra a perfect level of challenge even moving at only 1/2 speed. How in the world will all these other students actually use the program? Just curious. Really, really curious. Ruth in NZ ETA: I don't want to sound "better than the rest." My younger son is very good at math, but I think that AoPS might just be too hard and could lead to an unacceptable amount of frustration.
  8. I received the 3A geometry sample chapter. I don't have a full review to offer yet, but here are some pictures in case you are interested. What did other people get?
  9. I would really love to switch over to this curriculum next year for both of our girls. My problem is that I think they are a grade 'young'. My youngest won't be a problem as she is working in 2nd grade math and is very motivated to move to 'comic book math' for next year. I think she will be okay. My 4th grader likes math but is currently in PS. She does as much as she needs to do to maintain an A in the class. After that, she's more interested in finding out where her classmates bought their boots and hair feathers, etc. She will be in PS until the end of this year and then we are pulling her out. Our school system is not very good. Currently they are doing short division. She does know how to do long division but doesn't practice it since they aren't doing it yet. (At the last long division test, the teacher worked through the problems AS they took the test. My daughter had the only A. The teacher shelved long division for now). What are the pre-requisites for Grade 6 AoPS? If the gap is not too huge, and she saw the goal, she would (and could) do it. She's very determined when she puts her mind to things.
  10. Yeah another AoPS thread lol On another thread I read last night someone said that AoPS didn't really review, it was more of a mastery method, assuming the child masterered the previous material and expecting them to use it properly without any review. For those using AoPS how true is this? My son is currently using Saxon. We did one of the sample Pre-Algebra lessons yesterday. It seems like it would be a good fit and after watching the videos, my son thinks so as well. By I am concerned about lack of review. The discovery method and videos look like they will be great for him, but after being in the Saxon mindset, I am afraid that lack of review will not be good for him. What say you AoPS users? Is there enough review? If not, do you supplement with anything to review? Thanks!
  11. Ds15 is signed up to take the AoPS Algebra class that starts in about a month. I understand these classes move at a pretty fast pace and my question is: Does this class cover the fundamentals? He will not have taken their Pre-Algebra class prior to this. He just finished Counting and Probability and it assumed prior knowledge of a lot of Algebra. We had to do a crash course on several topics.
  12. Hello All, I am researching Algebra and beyond for my three children - ds10, dd7, dd6. We use MUS currently, but plan to change to something else from Algebra onward. In reviewing exsiting threads as well as the sample text from AoPS I am uncertain whether or not it will work for our children. Here are things which are commonly accepted regarding AoPS: 1. More rigorous than most math curriculum with a few exceptions such as Foerster, possibly better for STEM directed students. 2. Discovery approach 3. Wordy text Based on its unconventional nature I am wondering from those who it worked for what you did to prepare for it? Maybe some tips on how to prepare for success with AoPS. Once using it did you hit a wall at certain pressure points because it was so *other than*? Is the layout and wordiness of the text something that the student eventually just accepts? Yeah, mom/dad, I know, I need to eat my peas.:glare: Do some hate it and simply do it because they have to? Do you sometimes suppliment with other materials? Unlike other curriculum I don't see many that suppliment with AoPS. And for those who tried it and didn't like it for whatever reason(s), can you share why and also what has worked better for you? I am seriously considering Foerster coupled with Math without Borders as an alternative approach, or something else possibly for a less mathy child. Hearing both sides I think is important to get a fuller picture of this very interesting program which even the biggest fans admit isn't for everyone. Thank you,
  13. Some AoPS?s (We really like SM math, if that helps anything... my son gets math and needs little help) * If you've tried AoPS and haven't liked it can you tell me what course and why? (If you have liked it willing to listen to that too.) * If when I ask my son a question "why" about something, many times he just knows and has a hard time explaining - so it's just "because" (probably more like b/c I know) - so will this curric drive us NUTS? * I've heard people talk about spending more that a school year on an AoPS class and other people were talking about a course being set up for 3months or completing a book during summer - what am I missing? How long does a course usually take? * If I have a mathy child who doesn't like math, but does well and enjoys SM CWP, and doesn't know yet what he wants to be when he grows up will this work? (Meaning it might be a science college track, a math track or a liberal arts track, etc) * Some people have talked about supplementing AoPS. How important is this? Seems like a complete program. Edited to add - we would be looking at the book only option, not an on-line option Thanks much! KB
  14. I had a look at the pre-test for AoPS Pre-Algebra. My son is almost finished with 3B in Singapore and part-way through LOF Fractions so I figured he had a ways to go before he was ready. But I'm pretty sure he could pass that test right now. How is that possible? Should I look into this sooner than I expected?
  15. I emailed the AoPS people some questions today about Beast Academy and got a response tonight. Here are my questions... Here is the response I just received... Just thought I'd post for those who are as excited about these books as I am!
  16. Anyone using Art of Problem Solving texts as a supplement? What are you using and how?
  17. My son is taking the AoPS pre-alg class right now. I have been doing poorly on the number theory problems at AoPS Alcumus. :blushing: So I bought the text and I just starting working through it myself. The beginning is very easy but it does ramp up. I'm not sure now where in the sequence Number Theory goes? My son could do parts of this now but I was thinking it was after AoPS Intro to Alg1? Where in the sequence did your DC do this book? What about Counting and Probability? If there is a thread addressing my question, feel free to just point me in that direction as I have shamefully, not done a search prior to asking. :lol: Capt Uhura
  18. I just wanted to update since my DD was one I was hesitant to try AoPS with. We are now in week seven. She likes the discovery approach and has asked if she can continue with the classes. She has completed over 460 problems on Alcumus, officially passed all the Prealgebra topics currently listed, and is working to finish mastering them. (I am only considering them mastered if her percentage is greater than 80%.) I hope this keeps up. :party:
  19. I'm rather curious, how does the AoPS series address the use of calculators? Specifically in Algebra, Pre Calc and Calculus. You can't search through their text books and I haven't seen anything about calculators at all in their excerpts though I could be over looking the mention...
  20. I have noticed that a lot of WTMers use the Art of Problem Solving matherials. I looked on their website and it seems to be for really motivated or advanced math students. Is this accurate? Does anyone use it for their "average" math student? Does the style of learning only appeal to certain types of learners? Does it take a year to work through each book? My middle son has completed Saxon Alg. I and II, but wasn't able to solve a single Alg. II problem on an SAT practice cd that we have. He only scored a 21 on an ACT practice test. Ughhh!! What can I do to rectify this??? Thanks, Kirsten
  21. I am trying to work this out in my own mind but could use some input to see if I am thinking everything through and considering all the possibilities. My dd9 has worked her way through Saxon up to 76 last year. She is currently doing Thinkwell PreAlgebra. She likes doing the program on the computer, listens to the lessons, does the problems and takes the tests. She is accelerated in math but isn't particularly "math-y." She doesn't particularly enjoy doing math. She seems to lean more toward the arts. Music is her first love and she enjoys writing and is currently writing a "novel." She spends all her free time writing, practicing music, or doing crafts. She doesn't "crave" challenge in math is what I am trying to say. I have AoPS Pre-Algebra and was planning for her to do it after Thinkwell. I did the first two chapters with her when the book arrived and she did not like it which is why we went back to Thinkwell. I learned math in PS...just plain old math. I did well and understand the math I needed to learn up through Calculus in college. I scored well on the math section of the SAT without doing anything "extra" math-wise. I took my required course in college to get my BS in biology and can teach my kids their math...I even re-teach my PS highschooler math because the teacher isn't very good at explanations for him. I am just wondering if dd "needs" a program like AoPS. She would be happier just learning math a more traditional way (with the Jacobs or Saxon Algebra curriculum we also own). I like the way AoPS makes one "think" about math and if she had any interest in math as a course of study or interest in math competitions or something, it would be my first choice. I am torn because I don't want to limit her in anything but if I really think about it, I know that she is doing math she wouldn't be doing anyway at her age if she were in school. Any ideas?
  22. I just noticed that there is now a follow-the-book option for Prealgebra. :)
  23. Hello Hivers teaching HSers, My favorite homeschooling theme song goes like this: "you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run!" I ran away from math teaching this year because I knew. I just knew. There is nothing I can add to my son's math learning at this point in the game and even thinking about keeping him under my math tutelage was enough to push me into crazy land. We signed him up for AofPS and quite frankly, it's the best decision we've made in our hsing journey, apart from deciding to homeschool. I didn't realize how much he enjoys 'competing' and how thrilled he is when a tough question comes on the board that he can't answer but somebody else can. It motivates him, spurs him on somehow. It's as if he's finally getting to piece together this math puzzle that makes much more sense to him than it ever will to me. I don't have any aspirations/interest of teaching my kids from my 'knowledge bank' until high school nor do I want to pour myself into learning high-school science. I want to give my children a private school education without them having to go to private school or me having to pay for it. We've found our math stream. I'm beyond impressed with AofPS. I wonder about other online learning experiences that would teach chem/physics in a similiar way that AofPS attacks math learning. If we could find online community for highschool science, I would consider allowing the P-Kids to stay home until graduation, if they wanted to do that. Warmly, Tricia
  24. AoPS is hosting some college math jams. These are free on-line meetings. Everyone is welcome. I think they are also available as transcripts in case you can't make it, but I'm not 100% sure. You'd have to check. MIT's math jam is this Thursday. Date: Oct 13 (Thu) Time: 7:30 PM Eastern Instructor: Matt McGann Difficulty Level: 0 Duke and Carnegie Mellon are also in October. More info here: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php
  25. ... I realized I might need an exit strategy. :) MUS has been great for Button, with the mastery style, clean pages, etc. but I don't want Algebra Lite for sure. We're just wrapping up Gamma (multiplication), and I'd planned to take him through MUS division and fractions, and maybe the post-fraction level (negative numbers, etc; he does work with negatives now, I just thought we could cement things). The end goal (high school) is through AP Calculus BC, and ideally into linear algebra; definitely statistics. Where would you go from MUS fractions/"pre-algebra"? Straight to AoPS? --I have a strong math background, and my husband has an excellent one. a post-script: I'd planned to start Life of Fred in the next year, Khan the same; and maybe work through Hogben's Mathematics for the Million after MUS fractions. but it's all quite vague ...
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