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  1. We are closing to finishing up AOPS PreAlgebra, which will have taken us about 14-15 months to complete. Currently we devote 1 day for each section's problems and 1 day for each section's exercises. Then several days are spent completing the end of chapter review and challenge problems. We spend 4 days of the week on AOPS and 1 day a week on competition test prep. I am writing because I'd like to have her working on calculus during or even before her senior year in high school. But looking ahead, there are 8 more textbooks and my dd will be entering 7th grade next year. If we spend a year on each textbook, we won't make it. Should I step up our math to 5 days a week? If we took over a year to finish PreAlgebra, how much time can we expect on subsequent textbooks? Should I skip the Number Theory text? (I hate the idea of skipping anything!) Thanks for your help!
  2. Hi All, We are embarking on our first real journey into AoPS this year after ds11 finished up TabletClass Pre-A a bit early. He is almost done with Chapter 1 which had been review for the most part except for fractional exponents. So far he likes how AoPS explains why things work as well as how. The question I have is where does the Algebra 1 portion (chapters 1-13) get especially difficult/challenging? I seem to recall reading about certain chapters or points along the way where a child feels like AoPS is just too hard, etc... And I just want to prepare for those a bit more in advance. Currently ds11 is adjusting to the style of writing being a bit wordy and explaining each problem in detail. When I asked him last night if he watches the vidoes he said he doesn't really feel the need so far since the book explains things so well. I was kind of surprised since he has been so used to video instruction with his previous programs. So I guess a wordy math book does have its benefits. ;) Thanks for any tips you can provide,
  3. I love Right Start math, and feel like it gave my kids a great math foundation. But my younger son, who is 8, has advanced further in math than where we are in the book, just through learning math through every day life. So now Right Start feels slow and stilted. But I don't want there to be holes, so I'm not sure what to do. I ordered the Beast Academy and feel like he will like that, but they don't have them all out yet. So, I was just wondering, for math-y people, what do you like best before AoPS? I feel like this question has already been answered and I tried doing a search first, so thank you in advance to any replies.
  4. Hi all, I don't post here as I don't have a high schooler but I thought this might be of interest aops courses are now accredited http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/faq.php#accreditation
  5. You can buy it from the AoPS website now.
  6. I am considering the above Geom. programs for my average math student 10th gr dd next year. We have done BJU Geom. DVDs before with two older daughters and we really liked it. However, I am intrigued by the AoPS videos we have used for algebra and prealg. viewing when we occasionally get "stuck". My going-into-8th grade son is finishing pre-algebra and ready to start Alg. 1 in 8th grade. Normally, as I have done with his older sisters, I would put him in 2year Videotext Alg. I & II for next 2 years. However, I could save some money and time - and make my life easier - if I put them both in Geometry next year. My first inclination is to stay with my orig. plan and they'd each do math separately. However, they are doing physical science, writing, lit and Spanish together. My younger son is hard-working and particularly skilled at math. I don't have any big math/science level concerns for my younger son as we are detouring a year into geology so the plan will be that he takes chemistry in 3 years? Thanks for your ideas. Lisaj
  7. ... this is for Button, who isn't the fastest writer but is perfectly WILLING to show his work. He can do the AoPS pre-algebra placement test, and we're about to wrap up SM 4B; he is extremely good with math concepts. I'll probably do the AoPS pre-A sooner or later with him, so could purchase the next round of SM and also the AoPS book; but I'm trying to spend carefully. Ideas? ... and thanks!
  8. Ok, I've have been wondering something about AoPS for quite some time now. How might some families use it in the non-traditional sense? In other words you use it as supplimental, non-Discovery, or partial discovery, etc... The reason I ask is that although I like the texts quite a bit, I'm just not sure it will work for my kids in its traditional way (Discovery) as a spine or not. I just got the Intro to Algebra today and am reviewing over it. So far I really like how it reads and flows, like a work of art almost. In the 'How to Use' section the author mentions something which strikes me and I've heard few discuss here. That is the two approaches one can take with the book. I'll provide the quote for those who haven't seen it: "We hope that teachers will find that their stronger students will discover most of the material in this book on their own working through the problems. Other students may learn better from a more traditional approach of first seeing the new material, then working the problems. Teachers have the flexibility to use either approach when teaching from the book." -- Richard Rusczyk This speaks to two teaching approaches, neither necessarily being more valid than the other depending on the child. Yet I hear very few AoPS fans trying any other approach than Discovery. The thing that strikes me as odd is that even the greatest fans admit that AoPS's approach (singular) may not work for all of their children. So they may end up using something more traditionally written like Foerster or Dolciani (my childhood Algebra text). However this also begs the question if a more traditional approach was ever tried using the same AoPS text before switching to something else? One could possibly show the short video lesson 'first' for example, before trying to work the initial problems. I know its not necessarily discovery in that case. But if it works best in that order then why not? I guess I'm just seeing more AoPS usage options outside the standard box. Does this make any sense at all? In fact I've already used the AoPS videos and sample Pre-Algebra text on linear equations with ds11 while using another Pre-A spine (TabletClass). We found that chapter to be a great resource as we also did Khan Academy. It was that experience with the text that put me over the top in making a decision to buy Intro to Algebra. So I wonder who else may use it in alternative ways, finding value in the excellent texts as they really are?
  9. Is anyone using the texts, Art of Problem Solving Volumes 1 and 2, "Basics and Beyond?" How are you using it and for what ages, or what math grade level? I just received my copies, and am wondering how to incorporate it into our curriculum or whether I should wait until dd is older. She's 11 and working through the AOPS PreAlgebra text now.
  10. I've been using AoPS Prealgebra for about a month with my son. I have been well pleased with the curriculum, as it offers him the challenge that he needs. However, somehow I missed the fact that AoPS has free instructional videos on their website. Since starting to use them a few days ago, math is going so much smoother! I thought I'd post this for anyone else who may have missed these wonderful resources. They offer videos for Prealgebra, Algebra, Counting and Probability and Mathcounts/AMC.
  11. Oldest DS is using Pre-algebra this year, so I went on their site to try to figure out a math sequence for him for jr. high and high school. I noticed they have 9 books for those grades. Which do you use and how do you schedule them?
  12. I'm considering adding AoPS contest curriculum Volume 1: The Basics. I don't know if it would be helpful in ds's situation. I'm hesitant to switch to AoPS curriculum (algebra, geometry, etc) because he's not a huge fan of math. He thinks mathematically (which is hard to explain), but has hit a wall with algebra. I believe part of his problem is over thinking and a lack of caring at all about math. So he doesn't want challenging math, he needs better explanations of the why. He may be interested in a STEM career (probably the "T" portion), so I want to ensure he has good grounding in algebra and beyond. Would the Volume 1 be helpful? It seems to address some algebra and geometry topics. Or should I buy the algebra and see if it clicks? Budget is an issue, so I can't do both.
  13. DS9 (10 next month) is currently flying through Singapore 6A. I think he has 5 exercises plus a review section left. He started it a month and a half ago. We don't really school through the summer, but I do plan to have him do a few minutes of math most days (largely because his younger brother needs to do math, and I don't want to deal with charges of unfairness). So it seems quite likely that he'll finish 6B by early fall, and I'll have to figure out what to do next. I thought I had already done this. I was all set to get Art of Problem Solving's pre-algebra when it comes out. I was very pleased with this plan. But then I started looking at Singapore's Discovering Mathematics, and now I've thought myself into a corner, and I don't know what to do! Here, I guess, is the main issue: DS has a big perfectionist streak and a low tolerance for frustration. We tried supplementing with Life of Fred pre-algebra earlier this year, and it was a big disaster because he could not handle getting any questions wrong on the bridges. And, of course, that's the way it's set up; it's OKAY to get a couple wrong on the first try. Then you try again. He doesn't like that system. It's an ongoing struggle. So...I'm worried that AOPS might drive us both insane. He wants to KNOW what to do and how to do it. And I hear good things about DM, and, hey, Singapore's worked great for us thus far. He enjoys it, he does well with it, I know from his ITBS scores that it's working really well for him in a measurable, objective way. So. If it ain't broke? As far as I can tell, both programs would get him to the same place at about the same time. But. I also think that he NEEDS to break through this fear of getting the answer wrong/fear of trying thing at some point, and that maybe AOPS could help him do that. Math seems like the safest subject for him to work through the issues...I mean, eventually you know you have the right answer with a math problem, right? Umm, or maybe I shouldn't take the subject he feels the most confident in and destroy his confidence. And that's where I get...thinking in circles. Thoughts? WWYD?
  14. What is the pacing, how long for a chapter? Do u split sections? Or finish a section in one setting? Knowing it might be different for each section, please give example. Like.....Finish 3.1 in 1 day, 5.3 in 2 days... How muCh time for 1 day? Do you supplement anything? How long take u to go through Algebra 1 part? (chapter 13)
  15. Since SM is discontinuing NEM 3 & 4 what do you guys think about jumping into AoPS? Where would we begin in AoPS? What if it's not a good fit? I'm not Sure what NEM 3 & 4 S&S cover or if there is an equivalent in the Discovering Math series. Any input would help this mom out quite a bit...
  16. My kids are little and I would like to start early prepping myself to be able to teach them higher level maths. Does anyone have a review of the AoPS books that are not specific high school courses (vol. 1 the basics, vol. 2 and beyond) vs. Algebra, Geometry, Calc., etc.? Do they overlap? Or are they only for math competitors? Would you get the books that your dc may potentially use later? Is this question even making sense? I did well at math in school, but we rarely (make that never) finished textbooks/courses during the year, so I know there are huge gaps that I was never exposed to. I'm thinking of going through both LoF and AoPS as I'm able starting at the very beginning to make sure I don't miss important building blocks. So, AoPS Pre-algebra or AoPS vol. 1, the Basics to go along with LoF Pre-Algebra Biology/Economics? What's your recommendation? Thanks!
  17. I'm not familiar with this abbreviation. What does it stand for?
  18. The Intro to Algebra came this week. We decided to use this book for Algebra 2 (email from AOPS said it is equivalent to an average Algebra 1 and ALgebra 2 book). Figured we will work through the first half fast so ds can get use to the way AOPS does things and review anything he might need review on. So I can get use to the book, I decided to work through it also. WOW! I am blown away. I am on ch. 3 and already am seeing different ways of looking at how to solve problems. It makes solving the problems so logical. Anyway I am hooked and want to work through this book and get the others to work through. Feel bad I did not use AOPS with my Mathy older son. He would have enjoyed this better then what he used. Whoever mentioned this to me on one of my math threads, thank you.:001_smile:
  19. Has anyone used AoPS for the discovery method approach but skipped the more challenging of the challenge problems? I am convinced that my ds would thrive with the method, however, I can't see taking hours out of a day to try solving one difficult problem. My thought was to present them, give him a chance to solve for a certain period of time and then helping him through it using the solutions manual. Either that or just skipping some of them altogether. Anyone else doing this? Will it ruin the whole approach if i spare him the most difficult problems?
  20. Hi, I'm new here. I didn't see any where for intros, so thought I'd just jump in. One of my kids, ET2, has recently started the current school year. So, I'm working on planning the next year. ET2 is doing a few different Math programs this year, that equate to a solid Pre-Algebra (and maybe a little more). One of the programs ET2 is doing is LOF. I think LOF will work well for this child and am hoping to use it as the main Math curriculum as of next year. We added it to the other Math ET2 was doing this year to see how well it works for ET2 and what ET2 thinks of it. So, I'm thinking LOF Beginning & Advanced Algebra next year as the main focus. I was also thinking of adding AoPS Intro to Algebra & Intro to Number Theory as a supplement, for ET2 to have fun with. ET2 is a very 'mathy' kid - is great at it and really loves doing Math. I don't really have any doubts that ET2 will be ready to handle the level of work next year. I'm just wondering if anyone here has combined these two programs, and how it worked for them. Is it important to go through AoPS in order, or can you skip around? If LOF doesn't seem to be a good fit as ET2's main Math curriculum, I may use AoPS as the main & LOF as the supplement (since ET2 is already in love with LOF and would not want to give it up completely).
  21. Ok, so I keep coming back to this math program. I have posted before about my ds's issues with Algebra 1. We are using the Lial's text and thanks to Jann we have gotten over a major hump. However there is something I notice about him when he works a new lesson. He does not like to read the examples. He just wants to delve into the problem set and try and figure it out for himself. This makes me think that AoPS might be the math program for him. So..... we are finishing up chapter 6 of the Lials text this week. My plan was to have him finish Algebra 1 over the summer. Now I am wondering if I shouldn't get a pre-algebra text from AoPS and have hime go through that and use their Algebra 1 in the fall. This math program scares me because it uses an approach I am not comfortable with but I think it might work for my ds. He has always been someone who likes to figure things out for himself. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. He is starting 9th grade in the fall and wants to pursue a degree in computer science. Thanks!
  22. I will be just starting to homeschool my 5th and 7th graders in August. Was planning to do Saxon Math - my boys did the placement test and fell in the 7/6 and 8/7 categories, respectively, although my 5th grader was just 2 questions shy of placing into the 8/7 himself. I've just come across the Art of Problem Solving website though, and it looks intriguing. Is anyone using this currently or used in the past (either their book courses or the online courses) to give feedback? Thanks!
  23. I know there are others working with the Prealgebra book, as well as a few others with DC in the Prealgebra 1/Prealgebra 2 classes so spill, what are you planning next? I continue to waiver. Currently I'm waiting on RR's recommendation for DD and her grade once it is released. DD is over the moon with the online class interaction so I am still seriously considering letting her do the online Algebra 1 class later this year. I saw how many of the videos currently up for Intro to Algebra are overlap from the Prealgebra ones so I will definately be keeping my eye on those as they finish them up this summer and I ponder this choice. My only hang up, Geometry, :glare: she still hasn't finished circles with alcumus, 84 problems later and she is still working on circles... I have finally convinced DD that she needs to take a break and prepare herself for the pace in case we choose AoPS. The immediate plan is reviewing with EPGY, finishing the Prealgebra alcumus levels (hopefully :lol:), and working on review of some of the Challenge Problems. All in all, and especially given my DD's circumstances going into AoPS I am extremely pleased with the progress she has made. Oh, and I am definately not doing all the problems in the Algebra 1 book. :D
  24. We're doing AOPS PreAlgebra at home, without the online class. I'm trying to figure out how to pace the book. Doing one section each day (1.2, 1.3, 1.4,...) seems too fast. We tried that in chapter one, and retention was not so good. Dd is in 5th grade and relatively mathy, as is Mom. I don't have her read and do the problems on her own. We read and work through them together at the white board. Then she does the exercises on her own, and we review them together at the white board. I am considering reviewing the problems at the start of a section on one day, then have the student do the exercise problems for the same section the following day. At the end of each chapter, spend one day on review problems and another day on challenge problems. How much do you have your student do each day? Thanks! --Vida
  25. I posted in the recent Art of Problem Solving thread, but thought maybe I should start a new one too. My 14 yo ds has hit a wall recently with Algebra (Jacobs). He's always been very intuitive in his approach to math, but has hated long problem sets (said they were boring, and he already understood how to work the problems). We did Singapore Primary, and he seemed to do very well. He's the kid I thought of as being "mathy". But, lately he's been struggling with Algebra. At first I thought it was just that it's harder and he's not used to having to work at math. It's not that he isn't persistent - he'll troubleshoot other projects for hours to get them right. But the post in the other thread about intuitive vs. concrete approaches to math, got me thinking that maybe that's not it. Then a very wise friend sent me this article on math education and teaching kids how to attack problems vs how to do computations and now I'm really questioning my approach with this child. We're over half-way though the Jacobs, I think it's a solid program, and part of me hates to change to a new book now; but what we're doing clearly isn't working (he says he hates math and he's no good at it), so I'm open to suggestions. I've been considering AoPS, but don't know if I could switch at this point, or if I'd have to start all over with Algebra I. Part of my brain says just finish the Jacobs, but if that leaves him without a good foundation, it's really going to cause trouble later. Ugh! I would really appreciate some perspective.
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