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  1. Soooo....testing confirmed my hunches. I need a change in my math curriculum for my 5th and 6th graders. My 5th grader really struggles in particular and can't continually move between different concepts easily. Tried Teaching Textbooks for my (now) 6th grader and that was way too weak. What do you guys like/have found to be good? Need good solid building block approach. Thanks!
  2. I'm sure there is one of these already, but darned if I can find it! Anyhow, here is what I am thinking of for my 5th grader next fall... Language Arts: Finish Intermediate Language Lessons part one and move into part two OR Writeshop Apprentice Creative writing (some with prompts, some without) Lots and lots of reading (some assigned, mostly not) Supplemental grammar? I am not sure if we'll need this or not, but am looking at Winston Grammar. Natural Speller, though I put the lists on Spelling City since he likes the games Math Life of Fred Fractions, supplemented with either MM or Key To... series History & Geography Continue through American history using Time Travelrs from Homeschool in the Woods as a spine Science Mr Q's Chemistry Other He is interested in both Spanish and Latin. We have free access to Rosetta Stone, so I may have him do Spanish through that. I do own English From the Roots Up so I might introduce him to Greek and Latin roots with that for now. Phonics of Drawing for art instruction. Study of American artists and composers for appreciation. I might add in Harry Stottlemeier's Discovery for logic, or Mindbenders... We also do a 4H co-op, with arts, crafts, etc., and he plays piano. What has everyone else got planned?
  3. She has bombed the placement tests for SM all the way back to 4A. Is it too late to start SM. Was thinking about using Saxon 6/5 or 7/6 instead. Anyone have a better recommendation?
  4. So, this will be our first year trying to follow TWTM. I have read the book and taken notes of possible curriculum for each subject but would love to hear what others have planned. Thanks for your input!
  5. I'm loving these goals threads! (Although I'm never sure for 5th grade if more eyes will see it here or on the logic boards! Since the other goals threads are here, I thought I'd stick to that.)
  6. Background: My dd9 and dd10 are both in 4th and currently finishing up with a virtual academy using the k12 curriculum. The state testing and restrictions has us fed up and done with public schooling at home and we are ready to move to traditional homeschooling. I read the WTM years ago, but due to some family circumstances went with the academy. That said, I pulled out my 2004 WTM and am overwhelmed, but chipping away at things. My twin dd4 are easy and for K we will be doing Parent's Guide to Teaching Reading (we have the Bob books and our library has many level readers), HWT (what was used for my older two, I know I can teach this), maybe some FIAR working in math, coloring, cutting, science, etc. If only 5th was so easy! Plan so far for 5th: Science we already have and have used and like :) Math: Teaching Textbooks History: Story of the World Writing: ? Logic: Mind Benders and Red Herrings Language: ? Spelling: ? Latin: ? I have looked a bit into the suggestions in WTM for Writing, Spelling, Language, and Latin. Nothing jumps out at me so any advice is welcome :) My questions: Are there new resources suggested in the updated WTM? I have 2004 edition. Were I to do Language Lessons what level would I start at? We have not done sentence diagramming. Neither of my girls are fantastic spellers, though the DD10 reads better than DD9 and I think spells better simply because she has been exposed to a greater variety of words in her reading. Any and all advice is more than welcome. I am pretty set on what I typed into my plan above (I know some aren't fond of TT for math.) As I said, though, all advice welcome. Thanks in advance, I think I will go take a couple deep breaths and read some books to my kids. All of the curriculum searching is getting to my head a bit, lol Deanne
  7. Here is the original, the first one is the one CW uses. Here is my dd's rewrite, errors included. For those who don't know Pokemon Pichu is like a baby Pokemon, then as it becomes your friend it can evolve into Pikachu, and if the Pikachu is given a thunderstone it can evolve into Raichu. Ursaring looks like a bear. The Raichu Pikachu and Pichu Once upon a time there was a Raichu Pikachu and Pichu they were going to a valley full of oran berries to feed themselves. They had too cross a bridge with a Ursaring on the other side. First Pichu crossed the bridge creak squeak went the bridge Ursaring saw it and howled, "I shall battle you and beat you!" then the Pichu squeaked "No you shouldn't fight me I shall be of no challenge and will be knocked out in the first hit you should wait for Pikachu hes much stronger," then Ursaring let him pass. Then Pikachu crossed the bridge creak squeak went the bridge Ursaring saw it and Growled, "I shall battle you and beat you!" then the Pikachu answered "No you shouldn't fight me I shall be of no challenge and will be knocked out in the first hit you should wait for Raichu hes much stronger," then Ursaring let him pass. Then finally Raichu crossed with a creak crack then Ursaring shouted, "Who it is?" then Raichu said in a rather large voice, "I'm Raichu and I shall beat you in battle!" The Ursaring was scared by this Raichu who was brimming with power and fled and the Raichu passed on, then the Raichu Pikachu and Pichu ate all the oran berrys so they couldn't move much at all. The end What is funny, to me is it is rare for this child to have more than one grammatical error, but generally she does a straight rewrite of the whole story (yawn). I was so pleased that she ventured out, picking a new setting and characters to revitalize the story. But I find it interesting that in doing so she dropped the grammar end. She knows her capitalization and end punctuation. She knows punctuation for quotes and to separate items in a series with commas. She knows which too to use as well. She just left it all out. :001_huh: I think it shows how much it is outside her comfort zone to come up with original writing, even if it is based on a story she already knows. She doesn't know about using commas between adjectives. Overall I am pleased. I know she will grow and do better with original writing in time. I will have her revisit her edit worksheet and see if she can catch many of her own errors before I sit down and go over it with her. Mostly I am pleased she took the initiative to be more creative, and that it worked so well. BTW this child is mildly dyslexic. Heather
  8. I am re-reading the logic stage section of the WTM this week. I pretty much have what we are going to be using for next year planned out, but was wondering what everyone else has decided on. Krista
  9. I'd love to hear thoughts on what I am choosing/have chosen for my son's curriculum. He's in fifth now and I am pulling him out over Christmas break. The K-12 courses and the MCT are already implemented for afterschooling and have been since Oct. 5. Math K12 Pre-Algebra Life of Fred Fractions Grammar MCT Basic Homeschool Package Spelling Workout Level D and E Writing Writing with Ease Workbook 2 OR Wordsmith Apprentice--can't decide Science K12 Science 5 Foreign Language K12 Spanish Prima Latina History SOTW Volume 1 and Activity Book Usborne Internet Linked Encyclopedia of World History Reading Still deciding on a formal program Various real books from our historical period and the Bible Art and Music Artistic Pursuits and I don't know what for music We do soccer, hiking, and whatever outdoor activity appeals to us at that time and weather permitting. And I have one last question about history. My ds is a Civil War and WWII buff. He loves to read about them and watch the documentaries on The History Channel. Does it undermine his other history stuff to continue to let him read these books during his free reading? There are MANY Civil War sites all around where we live--battle fields, buildings, trails, you name it, and we visit them all. I can't imagine waiting until eighth grade to pick it back up. Thanks!
  10. Dd10, 11 next month, is quite bright, could be working on probably a 6th grade level, may be capable of even more than that. We were in an academic co-op that was perfect for her, very challenging, but that disbanded. Now we're floundering and way too light. She's doing: CLE/MM math, which is perfect R+S English 5 (good and we'll continue but it seems light/lame after MCT Town last yr) spelling is a combo of TOG vocab words, words gleaned from her misspells and other words I think will challenge her (she's a natural speller)-this only takes her about 5 min per day writing is a big bugaboo-can't find a curric that will work for her after three yrs in IEW-she needs more academic writing. I'm thinking of Meaningful Composition, but so much of it is redundant after IEW. I bought WriteShop, same thing, redundant. -She so far this year did Remedia Outlining and Paragraph Writing Made Easy. They were okay but no challenge and no real life application so no retention. She knows most of the writing that is taught in R+S English 5 Sci in co-op but it's minimal TOG Ancients for history, geog, etc., but it's ending up being mainly just a lot of Bible and one map per week Awana-Scripture memory, etc. 15 min typing practice per day She gets art in her co-op, does music on her own with her own reading/listening, PE is ballet 3x/wk, etc. so all that "extra" stuff is covered We dropped Latin last year after four yrs of it because it was getting way too in depth for the purposes I wanted it for and taking over an hour per day. We're just going to do roots study starting next yr. Part of my problem is I'm trying to do the TOG with both her and my 2nd grade ds, and it's too light for her. I don't care about beefing that up though; mainly I'd like to challenge her more in skills areas and prep her for 6th grade. Especially WRITING! Also my ds is taking a lot of my time, as his stuff is very teacher intensive and he's at an absorbent stage of learning that I need to take advantage of. I think this is common in hs'ing, that sometimes one dc needs the teacher more than the other for awhile and that's fine. But I don't want dd to not have work that is enough for her either. Our day is: -first I do about 1 1/2-2 hours with dd (teach her the R+S lesson, go over math, etc.) while ds works independently (copywork, Awana, etc.) -then I reverse that-work with ds about 2 1/2 hours while she works independently (she does her R+S exercises, etc.) -Then after lunch we do TOG together. I do try to jack up her mapwork compared to his, assign her extra projects, etc. I am finding I don't have enough work for her to do in our together time OR her independent time, and none of what we're doing is stretching her the way she likes. I generally find that the more teacher-intensive programs are better for challenging her (MCT, etc.) and we enjoy them, but now with adding on ds full-time, I can't do too many of those anymore-I need a variety of some teacher-intensive, some independent. She is very responsible and productive, works well independently when needed, etc. She is so bored compared to last year! Help! Thanks if you've managed to read this far! :)
  11. As you all probably know, I have been inspired by SWB writing lectures. I am pumped! I have our week planned out, in detail, and I would love to post it here and get your reviews. I know it's long, but I would feel better if someone looked it over and reassured me (and if you have to tell me I totally missed the point, let me know that too). Here is it: Emma (2nd grade) Day 1: Copywork (from Squanto, Friend of the Pilgrims--literature) The Indian boy lay hidden in the tall grass. Narration: Read from Story of the USA (nonfiction history, Pilgrim chapter, this is something we actually read last week, but I wanted to keep it simple to start with). I plan to read about three paragraphs and then have her narrate with a lot of guidance questions such as “Tell me two things you learned. Tell me something important from the story. Tell me something interesting you learned.” And I will write down her narrations. I will be very happy to get a one sentence narration from her. Day 2: Copywork: (from Squanto) Squanto went down the path toward the shore. Narration: I will read pg 1-3 from The Thanksgiving Story (literature) and then follow the same narration guidelines as above. Day 3: Copywork: (from Thanksgiving story--literature) A pilgrim is a person who travels to a far-off place because of his religion. Narration: I will read pg 4-5 from The Thanksgiving Story and, again, follow the guided narration as needed. So this gives Emma three copywork assignments from literature selections, one narration from a history selection, and two narration selections from a literature selection. I do plan to add some selections from other literature other than what we have been using in SL but I want it to be simple this first week (or two or three!) Also I will add in some simple dictation as well, as she is ready. Should I have her do both each day or split it up. The lectures recommended copywork/dictation 3x/wk and narration 3x/wk. We will also continue our R&S spelling lesson per week (about 10-15 min/day) , and she does Queen’s Language Lessons, which is very gentle grammar and picture study. I plan to continue that as well (probably 2-3x/wk). There is a bit of copy work in there, but if I do these planned copywork exercises, I can have her do the shorter ones from Queen’s on opposite days. This is a child who doesn’t mind the physical act of writing so that shouldn’t be a problem. Of course, we will keep this type of copywork/narration until I feel like she can successfully start dictation. When we get to that point, should I use the same types of sentences I listed above for dictation or keep them more simple? Anna (5th grade) I plan to start very slowly with her (some copywork and short dictation) because she is my reluctant writer. You know the one SWB talks about in her lectures that cries about writing? Yes, there are girls like that, and I have one. :) Day 1: Copywork: (from Sign of the Beaver--literature) It must be mighty pleasant, Matt thought to himself, to just hunt and fish all day long and not have any work to do. Narration: (from Landmark History which is our history NF selection at this time) I will read pages 6-10 and then have her narrate back to me with guiding questions such as, “What is that passage about?” I will have to limit her to 3-4 sentences about most important things. I will write this down for her. Day 2: Copywork: (from Sign of the Beaver--literature) Matt sat pondering this strange idea. "Well, it seemed to work," he said finally. "At least the other fish came along." Dictation: (from Sign of the Beaver) Then he was aware of the Indians. They sat silently on either side of the fire, their painted faces ghastly in the flickering light. Day 3: Narration: (from Landmark again) I will read pg 12-14 about Squanto and the Puritans. Again, using guided narration, I will have her narrate the most important parts of the passage using 3-4 sentences and write it down for her. Dictation: I will plan to dictate 1-2 sentences from her own narration. Gotta make sure I have her repeat it back to me before she stops and give help when needed. Don’t want her to write it down wrong! :) Day 4: Copywork: (from The Witch of Blackbird Pond-our next literature selection beginning this week) She had made them both laugh, but underneath her nonchalance, Kit felt uneasy. Dictation: (from The Witch of Blackbird Pond) “It must have been hard to lose him,” said John gently. “I am so glad you have an aunt to come to.” The makes copywork 3x/wk (from lit), narration 2x/wk (from history), and dictation 3x/wk (2 from lit and one from history). I know this seems really simple for a 5th grader, but I really think this where we need to start. I know copywork is meant for 1st-2nd graders, but it’s not something we have worked on much. I see us getting through these simple dictations and copywork selections pretty quickly. I hope. :) And then we can move into more frequent and complex narrations and get rid of the copywork. She will continue to do the R&S grammar selections, and then use the writing lessons as we advance in the basic skills. We use Sequential Spelling and Wordly Wise to round out our LA. I would absolutely love to hear your reviews of this first week and see what you think. Is it too much, not enough, just right? Any suggestions? If read all this, you are my new bff. :)
  12. Hello, I am getting a headache from trying to figure out curriculum for this fall. I would just like to get an idea of the basic curriculum needs for my kids and then I can go from there. This is what I have in mind so far.. DD 10 5th grade Math - Saxon WWE 3 (need to finish) and get 4. We used Calvert last year and I got WWE 3 about half-way through the year b/c I felt Calvert was really lacking in how they taught writing. History- Story of the World Middle Ages (I am planning on both kids doing the same history and having the 10yo read more). Logic - no idea - I saw the Logic Safari books on Amazon but I don't know which one or if they are good..thoughts please! Spelling Workout F Science ? Our zoo offers homeschool classes once a month and maybe we could get a book like the Mud Pies book or Kitchen Chemistry and work through some of the experiments with both kids. Spanish - Rosetta Stone - she works on this independently Grammar ? She also plays soccer and the violin and possibly horseback riding. DS almost 8 2nd grade Math - Saxon 2 Phonics - finish Ordinary Parent's - We are almost finished. What do I do after we finish the book? Spelling Workout C Handwriting - Zaner Bloser Cursive Writing - WWE 2 We haven't done any writing yet. I really focused on math and reading in first grade. Grammar - Finish FLL Science ? History -SOTW Middle Ages He also plays piano. I may sign him up for karate or horseback riding if I can fit it in. This really sounds like a lot. I just want to make sure I have the basics covered. We don't have any plans for art. I have such a hard time fitting art in. I would love to hear your suggestions for good (read easy) art books to do with both ages. I love the Drawing with Children book, but I can't seem to get started with it. I considered hiring an art student to teach the kids. Let me know what you think I should add or take away!
  13. I am brand new to homeschooling and am looking for a grammar curriculum for my 5th grader. I'm using Saxon Math and supplementing with Singapore. Otherwise, I'm not really planning to use any curricula, but we will start with Renaissance with the goal of making it to roughly 1800 with our history and literature intertwined. My daughter has excellent reading and writing skills, so I'm looking for a grammar curriculum that will challenge her without boring her and that I can easily adapt to her existing knowledge base. Suggestions???
  14. I'm using CLE Reading this year to make sure that I thoroughly cover all the ins-and-outs of reading. But it certainly isn't enough reading! So I would like to assign books for her to read for school and keep a summary notebook. The library has a short list but she's already read many of the books and few of them cover topics that she may not be ready for. I'm asking for the books that kids wouldn't choose on their own (unlike Percy Jackson, Harry Potter, etc.). Is there another list somewhere that suggests books for 5th graders?
  15. I would love some input/advice about whether or not we are doing enough for 5th grade history. Here's what a typical week looks like for my 5th grader: We read a chapter of SOTW aloud (since I have a 2nd grader, the 5th grader sits in while I read). We do the map work for the corresponding chapter in SOTW (this seems to take all of five minutes). I'd like to expand on this a bit, but not sure how. It seems like we just do it because we are supposed to, but we never go back to it. I don't think the boys are really remembering much in the map department. If there is a corresponding section in our Truthquest Middle Ages book, he reads that section. If there is a corresponding section in Famous Men of the Middle Ages, he is assigned to read that chapter. He is also reading through Monks and Mystics (Withrow). I typically assign a historical fiction book every week or two. Typically one write-up every week or two is assigned based on what has been studied. Generally, he is writing about people we have studied (Charlemagne, Muhammed, Alfred the Great, etc.). These are generally 4-5 paragraph write-ups. (The one he wrote on the Vikings was almost 3 pages, however). I also try to assign reading in the Usborne Internet Linked Encyclopedia of World History and the Kingfisher Encyclopedia (the white one). This also takes virtually no time. I'd like to utilize these books more. My goal is for my 5th grader to finish SOTW Vol 2 by the end of the school year. I'd love to also incorporate a timeline of sorts and maybe outlining. What does everyone else do for 5th grade history? Anxious to hear your thoughts/suggestions. Thanks so much for your help! :)
  16. I would love some book suggestions for my youngest. He reads at about a 5th grade+ level, loves science and boyish adventures. It doesn't need to be modern, although he loves Homer Price, Encyclopedia Brown, and Tin Tin. Maybe something like The Railway Children he really liked reading that one too. I would prefer it be light on magic and vampires (does Barnes and Noble really need a whole 10' x 4' section of these Harry Potter/Twilight wannabes - rhetorical), but I don't mind some (magic level of Tolkien, Lewis, MacDonald.) After 2 other boys I should know these things, but I don't. He's my first voracious reader of fiction. Thanks :001_smile: Karen
  17. You are all a wealth of knowledge! I have learned so much reading your posts!:001_smile: I think that we are going to start my 10-year-old son homeschooling in January. He's at a nice public school, but unfortunately he's in a class with all the kids who have learning disabilities, which is more than half of 22 kids. He and I have talked with the nice principal separately and the heartbreaking thing that is really deciding that this might be a good idea is that he told her "The kids are preventing me from learning." So, after lots of contemplation and finally getting DH on board, we're going to plunge head. That's a short version of a long story. Could you give me some general ideas or point me to threads that might be helpful on a) starting out in mid-year and b) Math ideas: the Fred series, ixl.com, Aha! Math (we like online learning) and Modern Curriculum Press. Also, wondering if anyone has used the Chester Comix books for history. My son loves graphic novels and I thought these might be a good place to start and then supplement with lots of other things. Maybe they're not quite as serious as some other books but just as a stepping stone. Thanks!
  18. Going off the previous post. What about 5th grade? Anyone interested in sharing their plans? Here is ours for DS 10yo Grammar: Growing with Grammar 5 Science: BJU Science 5 Math: Math Mammoth 4 (w/Calculadder and Timez Attack to supplement) Spelling: Flashkids (Harcourt) Spelling Skills 5 Logic: Logic Liftoff, Grid Perplexors Latin: Prima Latina (or Lively Latin) Writing: Meaningful Composition 4 Bible: Memoria Press Christian Studies I Lit: Sonlight 4 reading list (and others we like) History: History Odyssey Modern Times, STOW, and WTM Logic stage guidelines Art, Music, Spanish and Typing will be done in unit studies with Artistic Pursuits, Classical Kids, Rosetta Stone, and Typing Instructor for Kids.
  19. So, I have a bright 10 year old. BUT, my problem is that she's not self motivated to finish her school work...so it's me kicking her over and over to finish. Since I can't follow behind her forever, I'm trying to think of motivators that will help her to develop some self motivation. Also, do most of you stay at the table with your children? She's usually in the front room which is a table and couches. Has anyone been able to give their children the big picture in life? I mean...since trivia information isn't valued, why do you tell your children they need to study? She does Henle Latin, math, SOTW cds, IEW (not well...it's hard to force writing, for me at least), presentations, and memory work. Her passion is ballet, and I really can't take it away...it's the bribe for homeschooling under the radar...and it's really good for her!! The only additional activity she has is Awanas. She is in 5th grade and she's actually on the young side, since her bd is in August...but she can do more work...she just doesn't feel any desire. How many hours do your 10 year olds spend on school? I want to transition her this next year to self motivated. I want her to start 6th and in that year...get ready for Junior High, which is when my other girls(in public school) started acting more responsible for their own work! Anyway, I need some motivation for her to study more out of self desire! And desire to achieve knowledge. I'm open to bribing:-) Any hints?? Carrie:-)
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