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  1. Apparently we are much more 'by the seat of our pants' than many of you. 🙂 For most of the year, our schedule is 4 days, with co-op on Thursdays. From past experience, I know that if we do younger's Singapore Math 4 days/week, usually doing 1 lesson/day, we'll finish by the end of the year. Older usually does AoPS 3 days and LOF on our busy, out of the house day. Now that kiddo is older, we seem to move at a reasonable pace doing that. With MCT language arts, we do the grammar book 3-4 days/wee until it's done, and then I let the kids pick - do they want to do the vocab, writing, and poetry books sequentially or each a certain number of days/week? Younger's spelling is daily, one unit/week. Handwriting is done through 5th grade, 2-4 days/week until it's done. In the early grades, we do history and science in units, so we do 2-9 weeks of a topic and then switch, usually doing world history and geography first, then a science unit, and then in the spring doing US history and then science. They have done co-op art, and younger has done music and acting, and I have done art as a stand-alone module and also incorporated some with history, depending on the kid. Once they get older, history and science are done daily (or most days). For older, we usually aim to be 'on track' in the book at the end of each quarter. We don't move at a constant pace, but the it's a general guide to help us see that if we spent a long time on WWI, we might need to move more quickly through WWII (or, alternatively, don't dilly-dally on something if you want to spend a long time on an upcoming unit). For co-op classes (mostly fun enrichment, but older takes Latin and they sometimes take an academic class), we figure out how much time each takes and they figure out what days they want to do the work. Once we've eyballed this, we make a schedule of what subjects are to be done each day. For my middle schooler, something is done in each subject area every day, but kiddo can decide whether to break vocab into 2 days or finish it in 1 and which days are best for literature reading for language arts and which days are good for textbook reading, online research, paper writing, etc for history. Younger has some say in this, but I break each subject into smaller parts and then let kiddo assign them to a day. It's kind of a weird dance, with me having mental plans and deadlines and trying to help the kids figure out what subjects can be scheduled on autopilot (math and spelling, 1 lesson/day), which ones they need to use some self-discipline not to procrastinate on (for both of mine, anything with writing - I have to monitor that to make sure that they leave enough time), and which they just need to limit (yes, I said that you can read some Sherlock Holmes for literature...but not all day). But, at least for older, it's starting to pay off. I was happy to see kiddo schedule literature any time we had to drive somewhere since it was easy to do in the car, and completely wowed when he did work for a co-op class right after co-op, while waiting for sibling at karate, and finished on Saturday morning before I was up, so that it wasn't taking up time during our school day during a busy stretch.
  2. I wanted to switch to BJU. I like what I was using just fine and feel it is a quality program, I just want to do something different. We have been using Singapore Math. Since son is 4th grade age for this fall, I bought the 4th grade book for fall. But when looking over it, I have found he actually has already covered most of what is in it. I thought I would give him a quiz, to see what he already knows or remembers. But when I attempted this, he wanted to know why he was doing school work during the summer. I told him it was just a quiz to see what he remembers and home school does not stop during the summer. He did not do any of the problems completely correct. I gave him 5 divided in to 681 and he did complete it correctly but I did have to remind him what to do in the middle. It was a small hint. He clearly just needed a reminder. Then I gave him 0.57 times 4 and he solved it but never put in the decimal place. Are these normal errors one would expect to see going in to 5th grade anyway so move on to the 5th grade book? I can see from looking at the topics that we pretty much covered everything in the 4th grade book in the past. Or should I figure we should just do the 4th grade year? Or, alternatively, just say it is a really bad idea to switch and stick it out with Singapore Math (US edition).
  3. I’m afraid that I don’t like Saxon. Or really anything too textbooky for kids under fifth grade. I like Singapore math even though it didn’t work for dd (though I think that it could have if she hadn’t set her mind against it). I did a lot of my own stuff with her. As well as actually teaching using Kahn Academy.
  4. The elementary books are not something I'd use for a struggling math student at all. The topics are out of order. Multiplication and sigma notation are in the same book. Set theory starts near addition. Slope is in one, there's number play with using a specific group to make any number..just, no. I'd rather get a Singapore math Challenging Word Problems book 2 levels below current work (or a FAN book) - and I love Fred. I adore the alphabet series and my kid has slept with them after rereading ones he had finished. It just doesn't seem it would be a good use of money in this situation.
  5. Is there an alternative to AOPS pre-algebra. My daughter is strong in math, but doesn’t necessarily love it. I’m not sure the discovery method would work well for her. We’ve always used Singapore Mathematics Standard Edition, so I’d prefer to keep that same rigor for pre-algebra. I’m just not sure what program we should use.
  6. I would do lots and lots and lots of manipulative before ever thinking about "drilling facts". There is very little point in memorizing by rote something you still don't understand. We use base ten and c rods, and often for my current early learner, I draw a juggler on the white board. He has 8 balls tossed up with one hand, and 5 balls tossed up with the other. She knows she needs to draw a circle around all 8 and an additional 2 (We spent lots of time on "What makes ten?" games) to make a group of ten, then she can see there are 3 additional ones hanging out as well, so the juggler has 13 balls. She's the only kid I've drawn jugglers for, go figure. 😛 We are doing this right now, actually, and she is my slowest to really click with the concept. So we do a few examples with manipulatives or the juggler, then I write a new problem and ask her to mentally picture how many balls she needs to move from one number to the other to get a group of ten. Then how many would still be left in the ones pile? And so on. Today, she did a total of about 20 problems on the white board, and all of them were adding with 9. 9+1, 9+2, etc. In order, then out of order. She knew she needed to shift one ball in order to get her group of ten, and taking away one is something she can do mentally, so that let her get every problem correct. Tomorrow, we'll try 8s and maybe 8s and 9s mixed together. This particular child just needs a lot more hand-holding than the two older. I would much rather take the time NOW with the mental concept, rather than rush it to get to a carrying algorithm that becomes a sort of "magic trick" she may be able to do, but can't understand. We use manipulatives through Singapore Math 2b (the grade the child is in is irrelevant, I just mean that level of math) on a daily basis, then switch to "as needed" from then on. You might also consider the "Math Facts that Stick" book offered by WTM Press, it uses a 10 frame to help cement the base ten system, and that's another great method.
  7. I have never heard of Singapore Math Live--mind blown. I may need that in the next year or two.
  8. Just throwing it out there that Singapore's DImensions math series is visually pretty appealing. 6 to 8 cover pre-algebra through algebra. So you could do a placement and she where she lands. Singapore Math Live is adding DM 7 & 8 to their offerings so there are lectures and solution recordings.
  9. I found Horizon's to jump all over the place. I did not like it. I looks nice when you look at it, but did not like it. My oldest son stuck it out, but now tells me that he hated it but did not want to admit that to me after insisting he wanted it. He regrets ever using it. Abeka is okay. It is really based on mastering facts and procedures. This sounds like what you want. However, it slows down a lot compared to how quick it goes early on. With most math programs, you still need to have the student practice math facts. Maybe spend the summer drilling math facts. There are a variety of ways to do this. But, I do think Singapore Math would be a good compromise. I think you would like Singapore Math best with Abeka as a second choice. Mif is Math in Focus. It is an American made math program used in the public schools made based on the Singapore Math books. SM would generally refer to the Singapore Math US edition. CWP is challenging word problems. I have used it before but did not think it was a good use of time. It basically gives you the math problems, specifically word problems, but the kind that one would simply find in the next level. To me, it feels like the kind of things that would be given to an advanced student in a class who is forced to remain in a class working at that level. It would give more challenge. I prefer to just move a child on to a higher level when ready rather than supplement with higher level problems while continuing to do the lower level stuff. IF you choose to use SM, make sure you do the placement test. Students generally place about a grade level below where they were in another program. SM covers all of arithmetic in 6 levels rather than the 8 levels in most American programs. I am unsure how RS correlates.
  10. Hello, everyone. Here's just a little backstory to my question: I have two school-aged children plus a preschooler (3 yrs old) and an almost 2 year old. I am due with our fifth in about a month. I have been using RightStart Math with my daughter (levels A-D), until I finally switched to Saxon at the end of this school year. I started my son with RightStart A in kindergarten this year. I felt like RightStart was a great choice for my daughter since she has ADHD and really needed a hands-on, out of the box approach. She learned the concepts really well and her mental math was impressive to me. I finally stopped using it when her conceptual understanding became significantly better than her ability to "just do the math" so to speak. In other words, she could grasp concepts that were at a very high level, but any number of simple subtraction facts would stall her for hours. She could multiply by "figuring it out" but not by remembering any facts of any kind, so it would take a VERY long time. What finally did me in, though, was the intensity of teaching RightStart. I just don't have it in me! Not with the little ones all around demanding my attention, etc. Once we switched to Saxon, her ability to use her concepts to actually do the drills went up exponentially. She's filling in the gaps and doing really well in math overall. So that is the long version of my experience teaching math thus far. So my question is for my son. We are finishing up his kindergarten year, and I have not felt like RightStart was as good a fit for him. I already kind of hate teaching it (such strong words!), but it seems, if anything, too out of the box for him. He's a traditional sort of fellow and all the manipulatives and tally marks, etc. seem to round about for him. He just wants to get to the adding, subtracting, and using actual numbers already. He also enjoys sitting down and using workbooks (which my daughter couldn't do at his age). All that to say, I've looked at Abeka and Horizons which seem similar in their approach (is that right??), and I've looked at Singapore. Singapore seems to enjoy a great reputation that I'm not sure the others share, and all three seem to be a sit-down workbook type of program. Can anyone tell me anything more in detail about working with these programs? Singapore is pretty darn confusing with their myriad of textbook options. I feel like I should go with them since I keep hearing about it being better, but I'm not sure if it really is and if it is also a more "out of the box" kind of curriculum or not. My two goals are to find something that is really easy to use and something that doesn't re-invent the wheel but gives a rock solid math foundation. Since I'm just spinning in circles at this point, I would love it if someone could give me some advice from their own experience! Thank you so much!!!
  11. For children that young, I didn’t need curriculum. Just lots of living books. TWTM has great book lists for each grade. We read, narrated and sometimes drew pictures. We did lots of hands on math and science. The only texts I used before grade five were math books. I personally liked Singapore Math.
  12. Hits: Logic of English Foundations A for my youngest. He loves this. So fun and yet includes so much review and practice that he needs. Right Start Math, also for my youngest. He's very social, wiggly, and hands on. Singapore math 2. In the middle of the year I switched my 2nd grader to RS so that he could play with all the manipulatives and games that his younger brother was doing. But after a couple weeks he asked to go back. Bookshark, mostly. K science and history and LA2 were pretty good. The read alouds were a huge hit with both my 8&5yo boys. Science 3 was a hit, but history 3 was a miss for my daughter. Science 6 was not a hit as far as my son is concerned, but I consider it a hit. Lol. It got done and my son learned how to dig for information to answer questions. We will be using Bookshark again next year. It gets done, is mostly what I want, and I don't have to plan it. I'm tired of planning. CLE math was a hit for my daughter for the second year in a row. AAS- my daughter hates it, but I see her spelling improving. Girls of American History- unit studies using American Girl doll books. My daughter LOVES this. English From the Roots Up with notebook. My son liked this, probably cause he got to draw pictures. Lol Misses: Bookshark history 3, my daughter couldn't keep up with all the reading on her own and I couldn't read to her as it's intended. Write@Home online classes. I felt like this was just assignments with no teaching. Winning with Writing. I don't know, this just didn't work. I guess cause I expected it to be independent and it just wasn't. Growing with Grammar. IDK it just didn't get done.
  13. Hits Abeka Phonics K5 (Each year I do it, I streamline it a bit more. I know what to include and what to leave out) Zaner Bloser Handwriting- My boys prefer this to anything we try. You can scan a QR code to see a short video of how to form the letter and this tiny detail has made my boys not mind handwriting. BJU Math Grade 2 (Singapore math just stressed me out completely. I am so glad to have found something that feels right to me. DS loves it too. He loves the stories for each chapter. I worry he is missing out not having Singapore math, but my sanity is more important. sorry. Veritas Press Self Paced History Old Testament & Ancient Egypt - DS LOVE this, looking back I may for the future save this for 3rd grade for my kids rather than 2nd, but still, we enjoyed it. I HATE history, so not teaching it is a plus. PLUS I'm learning things with him I never did. Don't remember a thing about history from my education. MIsses Abeka Grade 2 Phonics - It wasn't bad or anything, but to us it seems completely a review from first and it was not needed for ds. We did the lesson for a while, then we went to just the seat work, then we dropped.
  14. I am looking for science for my middle two dds for next year. They will be in 7th and and 8th grades. I’d like to have them do the same science to simplify things for myself. I’d prefer Christian. Bonus points if it has an audio CD as my 7th grader is a struggling reader. She’s come a LONG way in the past year but my plan for next year already involves more reading than she’s used to and I don’t want to overwhelm her. Also, I need it to not be super teacher intensive. My DH and I are around and can be involved and help them but we have some other “stuff” that we’re dealing with right now so at least somewhat independent would be nice. I’m looking at the new Apologia General Science for them but would like to look at other options before I decide. I asked if there was a specific science topic they’d like to learn about this year but neither of them came up with anything. For reference, in the past we’ve enjoyed curricula like Story of the World, Notgrass, Apologia Young Explorers, Science in the Beginning, Logic of English, IEW, Singapore Math... Next year we’re trying some new things - MFW ECC (5th and 7th grades), and Ancient History and Literature (8th and 10th grades). The younger two will be doing LLATL for English. ....just to give you an idea of our “style”.
  15. Oh yes! Maybe I should just do AOPS pre a. Most people seemed to go straight from Singapore math 5 if they were doing that but I think part of the problem is the change in format so that could help. Your kids did calculus in 7th grade?! Is that typical or are they fairly advanced?
  16. Currently lined up: Phonics Pathways and BOB books First Language Lessons 1 Writing With Ease 1 (I don't think she'll be ready for this for a while, but I have it on stand by) Story of the World 1 and Activity book Horizons Penmanship 1 along with Copy work Singapore Math 1 Song School Latin Book 1 Plus nature studies and notebooking incorporating art (she loves watercoloring). Here's my conundrum. I find myself really drawn to Ambleside online. I also know myself well enough that I like and need things planned out for me, such as FLL and WWE. And AO doesn't cover grammar explicitly anyway, so I think they are very compatible. But I also don't want to overload my daughter (or myself). And then I feel SOTW would just end up getting dropped, but I do love it, as well. Can I get input on blending AO with the more structured approach of WTM materials? I don't want to just ignore the recommended reading and resources of WTM to do AO. I'm sure it's much simpler than I'm making it- but I'm spazzing out a little bit right now. HA!
  17. I already taught Singapore Math all the way through before I got my hands on a HIG. I did not feel it would have changed anything for me. But I love math and was always looking forward to future lessons and making up my own lessons. I had a lot of fun with it. If you are not that kind of person who likes winging it, sure, the HIG could help. Otherwise, I would not worry about it. What is in the HIG is explained in the textbooks. The HIG sort of scripts out how to explain what is in the textbook. There is no point of the workbook without the textbook. And the textbook can usually be found used if you are looking to save money. The workbook has no explanations on how to do things, just has practice.
  18. Ok in a crazy moment I thought I’d attempt reading some Euclid. Seems unfair to expect my kids to keep educating themselves and not me right but in the first section of definitions I hit this 32. A rhombus is that which has all its sides equal, but its angles are not right angles: I’m pretty sure in building critical thinking skills and Singapore math a square was defined as being a rhombus? Do I just remember that wrong or is the definition different depending on the text?
  19. We started around 8 y.o with low stakes, no pressure tests. . Math Kangaroo for 3rd grade I think was the first. The early levels of Kangaroo are similar to Singapore Math and word problems.
  20. I always feel like 3rd grade is the year that I need to "get more serious" with curriculum choices, lol. For my DD (my 3rd, 3rd grader) we'll likely be continuing on with most things and starting new with others. Language Arts: Phonics/Spelling: Finish the Explode the Code series through book 8 (we're on book 6 now). Assorted phonics workbooks (she loves workbooks) Grammar: Possibly Easy Grammar, not sure yet. This is the first year I start "formal" grammar. Reading/Literature: Chapter Books with some basic book reports maybe some units from Moving Beyond the Page or Progeny Press; Core Knowledge Reading Skills Readers (free for download); the old Steck Vaughn Reading workbooks--we're finishing up Swells and Shells (grade 4) now. She loves these! Also listening in on poetry study with older siblings. Composition: She's been working on IEW's All Things Fun and Fascinating and also Bible Heroes. We'll continue with that and add in IEW SWI A, and possibly CAP Writing and Rhetoric Fable I. She already writes a lot of stories, keeps a journal/diary, and writes personal letters (for mailing) to friends. Handwriting: Zaner Bloser cursive Mathematics: Singapore Math Primary Standards 3 A and 3 B Finish Beast Academy 2 and start BA 3 Fan Math for additional problem solving (bar models & strategies); Math Detective (Critical Thinking Company) History: American Girl class at homeschool co-op; tagging along with big sister's history (ancients); Story of the World audio books Science: Stem Engineering class at homeschool co-op; tagging along with big sister's online chemistry and physics classes Religion: Devotions; reading and discussion of various books I have such as Wise Up! and books of parables, etc.; Sunday school class. Trying to decide if I want to start anything more formal at this point. Logic: Verbal and pictorial analogies (Critical Thinking Company books mostly); deductive reasoning puzzles. She loves logic!!!! Fine Arts: Art class at homeschool co-op; weekly piano lessons; audition community choir; ballet and tap dance Physical Education: Ballet and tap dance, swimming, horseback riding, general playing around........
  21. What Farrar said. I've been using Singapore Math for almost ten years now. My DD, in Standards Primary, is doing word problems similar to my son's Algebra 1 text but without the equations. She is using bar models to work the problems. The questions involve multiple steps and are far more challenging than what her friends in the local schools are being asked to do. I do find that Standards Primary is slightly more challenging than the US Edition and loads more challenging than the Math in Focus series.
  22. So, this is what I was wondering, too. The homeschool market has drastically changed in the last ten years and I'm wondering if the big price increases are because of it. I know stuff like the Singapore math workbooks, etc, haven't really changed in price, but I was looking at specifically MUS, SL, MFW, Oak Meadow...and some of those doubled or tripled in price. Also, there have been so many weird changes out there in the past year in the homeschooling world. Currclick is closing...the Homeschool Reviews Forum closed...Landry Academy....Sonlight closed its forums...there was another online curriculum provider that closed recently, but I can't remember it's name.
  23. Hi, Folks, I have been absent from this board so long that I had a notice on a post 3 years old! 😂 Today, however, I decided to pop back in and say thanks to my people who got me through the early years and on the right track. Next week we graduate our youngest. Homeschooling, despite its successes and stomach-pitting vertical drops, has been good to us. I won't go into the full story here, but with the youngest fully dual enrolled and now about to ship off to college, the dc have made the transition well. DS has a 4.0 and loves university, which is an amazing miracle to those who know our story. DD is headed to her dream school, a top ranked, small Christian college in the Midwest, fully funded for the first two years, with a hope to pursue a calling to use data analytics to help rescue victims of human trafficking. She is an overcomer. All those years spent in patient, sometimes frustrated, slogging away—accommodating learning "differences" and whatever else was going on—they all paid off. DD wound up with multiple scholarships and awards, and worked diligently, steadily, and determinedly for each and every one. 🎉🎉 (What happened to the party emoji?) I want to thank you all for my best homeschooling finds. It began by focusing on the true, the beautiful and the good and making liberal use of nature study and narration of all types in the younger years, thanks to Charlotte Mason and Classical Education. After good old Charlotte, you all introduced me to Don and Jenny Killgallon and Michael Clay Thompson (who collectively got my kids 35s or 36s on the English portion of the ACT), as well as Singapore Math, and Singapore Science, which landed me my career after active teaching wrapped up. I never would have been in a position to take the leap if not for you. I just got paid for writing the Math in Focus 2020 Edition teachers manual (grade 4). Rejoice with me! Thanks for being a community I could come to and find answers to questions I didn't even know I had. For those of you exhausted today from working with a seven-year-old you know is incredibly bright, but who has trouble holding a pencil and melts down occasionally from sensory overload, the successful end to all this is a lot closer than it feels. If sometimes a tear slips down your cheek from being overwhelmed, or the resistance you face is fierce and you're not sure you can make it, let me reassure you that you can, and the rewards that follow are that much sweeter. I've been a member here since before the board euphemisms teA and bOOks came into being, way back when Ree wasn't the Pioneer Woman and she would give stuff away from her junk drawer. It's been a long time, but not long at all. Thanks, SWB for making it all possible, and for hosting this community so we can set our kids up for success. I am so grateful for the space, and for all of you who spent the time making research and execution a bit easier for the rest of us. 💜
  24. The kids that I volunteer with are elementary age, but some are older elementary. I have found myself doing long division with kids who have to figure out how many times 6 goes into 40 by counting by 6s...which would be fine if they could skip count, but they count each group of 6 on their fingers, leaving them no fingers to keep track of how many 6s they've counted. Painful does not begin to describe it. My own kids did use fingers when learning to count, but once they got into their school math they would sometimes use their hands to see the numbers but didn't seem to need to count them. I think once they got that there were 5 on one hand maybe they'd mentally count to get to 7, but they didn't really need to count them. Likewise, if they were thinking '10-3' they'd just put down 3 fingers and could 'see' 7. They may have counted at some point, but it was just a matter of days, maybe weeks, before they understood the numbers from 6-10 that would necessitate counting the second hand. The kids that I volunteer with don't really understand regrouping at all. By the end of K-1 I had coached them to start with 5 and just add the other fingers, but their curriculum the next year required them to draw sticks and count them, so they went from 'being able to hold the bigger number in their head' when adding 8+5 (start with the 8 and count up on 5 fingers) to having to draw 8 sticks and then 5 sticks and then start at 1 to count them all. I was ready to weep when, by spring of first grade, they had regressed and were no longer able to do what we were doing at the end of K. Constantly changing methods (and, for all I know, changing teachers), random worksheets with different requirements (much of it Eureka math), and the students' knowledge that everything would be marked wrong if they didn't draw...having done singapore math with my kids, I felt like they took random parts of it, made them as unwieldy as possible, and then stuck them back together in a nonsensical way such that the kids had neither the algorithms of traditional math teaching nor the concepts taught in singapore. It's worse than what I had in early elementary, which was 'traditional algorithm with no fact teaching so that you had to keep counting' - I remember a teacher saying that that's what those things on the end of our hands were for. 2 weeks of my kids using unit cube blocks to regroup into 10s and the mental math of all of us was better than what I had when I finished middle school. It's not the only way, obviously, but I remember watching them and thinking 'why did nobody do this with us...why did we keep counting?'.
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