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  1. Hi Everyone, I am hoping that I could talk out something with you all and get some advice. Sort of a "what would you do if you were me" post. (Sorry if I ramble a bit in this post.) My children (ages 9 and 10) have both been using Singapore math standards for a number of years. They are not "gifted" math students, but they catch on to math concepts quickly and have a high conceptual understanding. They both also say that Math and Science are their favorite subjects. Both of these kids are also dyslexic. Because of that, I feel like I spend 80% of my day helping them with their weakest language-based subjects (phonics, spelling, oral reading practice, comprehension, composition, etc. etc.) and very little time devoted to math. They understand math very easily but need lots and lots of help with language so that is what I end up focusing my instruction on. I often wonder if this is the right choice. On one hand, they are both reading at grade level and doing fairly decent in their language based subjects (for kids with dyslexia) because of all of this time....but on the other hand perhaps devoting more time to subjects they love and come easily would be good for their self-esteem and allow them to explore their potential in those areas. Last year we completed Singapore 4A and 4B. For the first time, I felt the need to supplement extra review in many of the concepts. They were forgetting important concepts like how to multiply fractions vs. adding fractions, how to multiply decimals, or find the area of a given shape, etc. SO--for this year, I was considering adding in some extra practice with Singapore math. I was just going to get the extra practice workbook for Singapore and maybe a logic book---but then I started toying with the idea of doing Beast Academy a year behind as a form of review. We used Beast Academy at grade level for awhile and my son loved it. However, he needed a lot of my help. It wasn't like Singapore where I could teach a short lesson, assign some problems, and then check and correct. For that reason, I was thinking of doing Beast Academy a year behind. It might still be challenging for them, but they have also seen most of those concepts before. (My hope is that they could complete many of the BA workbook problems independently with only minimal help on the really challenging problems. I have a 4-year-old who can only count to I need to be able to multitask so I can give all children attention. Plus, my older kids are NOT independent in their content or language based subjects. They are all very teacher intensive too because of dyslexia.) I am hesitating pressing the "purchase button" on Beast Academy because I am wondering if I am biting off more than I can chew with math. On one hand, I think BA does a GREAT job of making the challenge of math fun. I also know my kids would really enjoy it. On the other hand, perhaps it would be better to just stick with ONE math program. Maybe I am crazy trying to do TWO complete programs in a single year? And maybe the danger is that we wouldn't complete our core math program (Singapore) because we were messing around with too much supplementation. (FYI I also don't feel comfortable doing *just* Beast Academy because it doesn't provide enough practice on its own for my particular children. I would only use it as a fun review supplement.) To sum things up my questions are: 1) Is it possible to use BOTH Singapore 5A/5B and Beast Academy 4a/4b/4c/4d and still finish math in an hour per day? (Assuming I also have them go back and fix any problems they missed within that hour. That is our habit.) 2) Assuming we used both programs and spent an hour per school day, would we be able to finish up in a regular school year? How would I assign that for the kids? Assign them two workbook exercises per day? Set a timer? With Singapore, I have always taught them lessons from the HIG/textbook. They are not the types of kids who can read a textbook and self-teach. (I have heard lore of kids who do this with Singapore. Those are not my kids!) 3) If you use both programs, how do you schedule your year? Instead of using both programs on both days, I am thinking of completing an entire unit of Singapore (plus the unit end review), then completing an entire unit of Beast. (Alternating between the two.) 4) How do you teach a typical beast Academy lesson? I would probably have to read the guide book with my kids so I could make sure they understood. 5) If I used Beast Academy (4th grade) and Singapore (5th grade), do you think I could get away with NOT using an introductory Logic book. (I was going to use a "Blast off with logic" workbook this year, but I am thinking that BeastAcademyy teaches enough logical thinking. Do you agree?)
  2. Is the OP just asking about kindergarten? The only thing we did for K was: math: Singapore Math (preschool-K) handwriting: HWOT Spanish: some CDs that had spanish songs for kids. And then lots of read alouds and going places and playdates and games and creative free play and arts/crafts. Gradually as elementary school went on, I added in more subjects, but a lot of the time we were only doing 10-30 minutes of any particular subject per day.
  3. I just started teaching a small class of 6th and 7th graders (4 kids total.) The classroom I inherited is workbooks and worksheets only. The school hasn't supplied any sort of textbooks or teacher's manuals, though it's possible I could have them order a new curriculum for them. (but what? saxon? AOPS? should I just get them set up with Khan Academy? But limited # of computers is a problem here too. My kid is only in 4th grade, so I haven't researched math curricula this far yet. The kids are coming from Singapore Math, I think, but were never given the Singapore-style instruction and were only given the workbooks to complete.) The kids seem to be able to do the math and are maybe even a bit ahead, but struggling a bit conceptually. Most, if not all, of them 'dislike' math. I chalk that up to lacking number sense/conceptual base. They've already worked through most of their workbooks, but the previous sub for the class said that even though they can usually solve the problems they are given, they don't really understand why. I want to start them on placement tests, just so I can get an idea of what they understand and what they struggle with (recommendations?)
  4. One thing I have cherished in teaching my kids has been the opportunity to learn alongside them. Story of the World taught me more history than I remember from school. Even the early levels of Singapore Math introduced me to math concepts I didn't know. I read Winnie the Pooh and Five Children and It for the first time. I even know what a preposition is! Lol. The flip side to that is the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I feel like I may never catch up. But then, is there such a thing as catching up?
  5. Sorry if there is a thread on this. I tried searching and nothing came up. I am trying to order a Singapore Math book for ds6. I'm on the website and I'm very confused over which version. The Scope and Sequence didn't help- just made it more confusing. I just want to give him a placement test and buy one book and text to see how it works. I've been using K Essentials with his little sister, but I'm clueless on the upper levels. Do I just get the Primary Math U.S. 3rd Edition, and not the CC or other version? Also, I want the Home Instructor's Guide, correct, not the Teacher's guide? I'm trying not to spend a lot. MM is on sale through HSBCO this month, and I want to do a trial and see which is the better fit for him because everyone keeps suggesting Singapore. But this is a great time to buy MM if we stick with that. I placed him too low and have been stalling until the March sale to buy something new. What I've seen on the K Essentials, he'd still like MM better, but I think the grade school versions are different, right? ETA: Also do I need the Textbook, the workbook, and the IG, or can I get buy with less? I Fwiw, I've taken Kate Snow's Teaching Elementary Mathematics course and have the Elementary Mathematics for Teachers books she recommended.
  6. Whoops my bad. I was looking at the high school version, which is on clearance at Singapore Math. I'm in high school planning mode. Eek!! Lower Secondary is in stock.
  7. Okay, so your students have the ability to generalize and do understand symbols. They did not understand the task you asked of them. Normally that means they are placed inappropriately in the curriculum or the directions weren't complete. After that, there are insufficient details. What strategies did they use? Count up, count on? Where are they in the continuum of knowing? Anywho,, I"m going to bow out; this is clearly a rant as its not how arithmetic is taught might find the website to be of interest as well as the strand info at After that my dc's teachers have some pretty cool material from their gifted classes over at UConn, that's where the Renzulli Center for Gifted/Creative/etc is. The resource of choice these days is Math in Focus, which is Singapore Math...and that's for everyone.
  8. This is a tough season for us. It will get a lot better once my #3 has her driver's license. Until then, I schlep her to her community college classes 2x a week. The three littles stay home with #2 on those days, and their productivity varies considerably from day to day. We haven't signed up for spring semester yet, so we don't know what our schedule will look like after Christmas break. Our hits so far: -- BJU Math, with a break for my 6th grader to use the Key To workbooks for a while. I switched from Singapore Math when #3 was in about third grade, and we've stuck with it for K-6 for the littles. -- George Washington's World. I bought Notgrass American History over the summer, but didn't have time to plan it out. So as a stopgap, I handed the 5th and 6th graders George Washington's World and they LOVE it. My olders never wanted to read it as a supplement. We'll pick up with Notgrass when they finish GWW. -- Spelling You See. -- FLL. Our old standby. My youngest is almost done with our spiral bound 1+2 and it's bittersweet to watch her finish all these curricula my kids have grown up using. -- Orbiting with Logic for my 5th grader. He loved it. -- Explode the Code. Another one that's going away. ::sniff-sniff:: -- Wordly Wise 3000 and Vocabulary from Classical Roots. The 6th grader seems to enjoy VfCR more than WW3000, so I'm going to have the 5th grader give it a try as well, and then switch him if he likes it. I paused the 2nd grader on WW3000 because I thought some of the exercises were over her head. So rather than skip them, I'm going to make her wait or I'll find an alternative. -- Analytical Grammar for the 6th grader. She's really starting to get the hang of identifying the parts of speech consistently. -- WWE. Another forever favorite. We're adding in the beta test of Write By Number and that's going well (Shameless plug -- I'm doing the page layout for the author, a longtime friend.). Meh: -- Science. It's always the first spinning plate to fall. I had big plans for continuing a small co-op group from last year to do earth and space this year, using R.E.A.L. Science, Ellen McHenry's Rocks and Dirt, and Master Books. But with a big book design project (see above), we're having to be content with just reading the Master Books for now. I'm not all that impressed with them. My 5th grader blows through them, though, so I'm glad he's enjoying them for now. I hope to get to all of our cool experiments in the spring. Misses: -- A teen without a driver's license. -- All the stuff I have that we're not doing. (WTM math facts books, anyone?) -- A Child's Story of America. I've had it lying around forever. The 2nd grader is working slowly through it, but neither of us enjoys it. I think the reading level is over her head. I feel like I've forgotten something... oh well. I always love these winners-and-losers threads. They're so much fun to read.

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  10. I drew a rectangle roughly four times as long as the height and then chopped it into four pieces (they visually looked like squares) Next, I took the area of 196 and chopped it into 4 pieces (aka dividing it by four) and wrote the answer 49 in each box I believe a 4th grader doing Singapore challenge problems should (or with some prompting) recognize that a square with an area of 49 has a side of seven. I wrote a 7 on the vertical height and a 7 on the base of the first square. Since the squares making up the large rectangle are all equal, they should see that you add up (or multiply) all those 7s to get the perimeter. unless we had done something recently, my older kids would likely have needed a quick prompt along the lines of “what’s the definition of perimeter?” I didn’t start early with Singapore math and I struggled with those bar drawings and figuring ways to solve the problems without algebra. Variables would have had some blank looks in fourth grade.
  11. A coupld have recommended Singapore Math. Which version should I link to if it's for all grades?
  12. With my older two children, I have used RightStart for kindergarten. I've tried that approach with my youngest son, and he is just not enjoying the program at all. He is the type who actually enjoys workbooks and learning to write letters/numbers. (I think he is trying to copy his older brother and sister who he sees working in actual books.) SO--I was thinking of trying Singapore's kindergarten program with him. If I do, what exactly do I need to buy? Can I use just the textbook? What about the story books? Those look really cute. Can anyone review those?
  13. Does anyone have any information about what this new curriculum will be? I am switching one of my kids to Singapore, but I'm not sure which edition to go with, or if we should wait for the new one.
  14. My 7 year old is successfully doing Singapore math 3 (standards edition). For some reason the curriculum buying bug has hit and I was considering incorporating the Soroban abacus and curriculum for enrichment. Is this crazy? Anybody have experience with doing both? Or have experience with doing Soroban?
  15. Worry #1) I worry I will struggle teaching the Singapore methods I'm not familiar with My answer: Only you can decide if that will be the case. But IMO, Singapore is VERY easy to teach. Let me walk you through a typical day using some examples from the upper-level books. This is about as hard as it gets. (And it will be even harder for you right now because you haven't gone through the 4+ years of foundation that this example expects you to have. You are jumping straight into the middle of a 4th grade Sinapore math book.) This sample is pretty typical of how a lesson works in Singapore math. So take a look at this lesson and decide for yourself i you could teach it. (Don't worry if you aren't familiar with the terms array or factor. Those were all explained clearly in previous lessons. EVERYthing in Singapore is very step-by-step and incremental. ) Let me walk you through a typical lesson using the sample above: Step 1: Concrete First, there is usually an activity which illustrates the math concept using some type of math manipulative. In the sample above, you are teaching the child about factors. So you are supposed to take 24 multi-link cubes and challenge the child to arrange them in various groups. (2 groups of 12, 12 groups of 2, 3 groups of 8, etc.) At this point, the chid has already learned their multiplication tables, so this is typically a review for them. As you can see, it is pretty easy to teach. The HIG explains exactly what to say and even provides pictures of what to do with the manipulatives. This only takes a few minutes. The lessons are short and sweet. Step 2: Pictorial Next, the HIG directs you to open up the textbook to p. 26 and discuss the same exact concept using pictures in the textbook. (They show various things grouped the same way as the mulit-link cubes before.) Step 3: Abstract Next, the HIG directs you to do Tasks 1-5, pp. 27-28 (still in the textbook). At this point, the child now takes that concept that you just taught them (using concrete objects and pictures) and applies it to numbers in the textbook. You are supposed to use the textbook to work a couple of example problems with the child. As you can see from the sample, the textbook gives you PLENTY of help about what to do if you are stuck and need help. (Plus solutions, etc.) In this case, the HIG directs you to work the problems with multilink cubes again if needed. Next, the student is sent off to do the workbook problems. (In this sample, Exercise 7, pp. 21-22). I typically have my kids do this part semi-independently so i can check for understanding. (Not in first grade, but we gradually work towards semi-independence.) Finally, we check workbook together and the kid fixes any mistakes until there is 100%. That is a typical day of teaching Singapore. Only you can decide if that sounds too hard to teach. I personally think it is VERY easy to teach. If you are concerned about teaching Singapore, I would suggest that you stick with the standards edition of Singapore. The Home Instructors Guides for that "flavor" of Singapore math are formatted a little nicer and are easier to use IMHO. (The content is not all that different from the US edition except that there are more reviews scheduled in the standard edition. I have used both standards and US and both are nice. I much prefer standards.) I would also suggest you take a look at the HIG samples for the upper levels of Singapore. (Try levels 4A, 4B, or 5A, and 5B) Read through those and see if they make sense to you. ------------------ Worry #2) I worry if/when he attends public school someday, he will be told the Singapore way is not right and he'll have to relearn the traditional way My answer: Singapore does teach children the traditional way so they will not have to relearn anything. However, It just also teaches them to understand the conceptual reasons so they understand why the traditional process works. Let me give you another example to illustrate my point: In a lot of math programs, they teach kids how to stack numbers and "borrow" to subtract. (Traditional method.) Then they give you a million practice problems and drill that process until you can do it in your sleep. (Traditional method.) But in sinapore, you work a BUNCH OF problems with manipulatives first so you can see exactly what happens when you "borrow numbers". But you also practice stacking the numbers and working things the traditional way. (Plus, you also learn tricks for doing the problems mentally.) So you learn more...not less. AND if he ever has to go back to public school, he will probably be so advanced in math, that he ends up teaching all of the other kids how to do their math homework. :) I'm not saying that to knock traditional schooling. It has more to do with the order things are introduced in Singapore. Things are typically introduced earlier in Singapore math than they are in other math programs. If you stay on grade level with Singapore math (example do Singapore 2A and 2B in 2nd grade), your child will always be ahead of most traditional kids in math. My kids are NOT math whizzes. We do "just" regular Singapore math with the workbook and textbook. And they always test very, very well in math. Singapore makes it easy to teach. ETA: Now, there are some schools that have adopted some crazy math instructional methods since common core was first introduced. I think (hope!) things have gotten better since schools have had a chance to adapt to common core math instruction. I think the curriculua has been improved. And not all schools using common core have gone off the deep end, but some have. lol For example, My good friend teaches 4th-grade math here locally, and she was showing me how they are now told to teach long division. Now...long division has not changed since we were kids. It isn't like it has evolved and you suddenly need to know a different way to do it. Division is still division. However, they way they were trying to walk the kids through the process was VERY confusing. HOWEVER---because I had my "adult singapore education" from teachng my kids, I could at least grasp what they were TRYING to do and understand the process. (I still think they were over complicating things. It is almost like they took the Singapore method, scrambled it all up, and tried to make it new.) So again, my conceptual knowledge (thanks to Singapore) helped not hindered my understanding. I think it would help my kids too if they had to go back to public school. They might have to learn to "play the game" and show the math problem worked how they teacher wanted it...but I think they would still have a solid conceptual understanding as a foundation. -------- Now, that is NOT to say that Singapore is perfect. One con to Singapore is all of the books. But that is also one of the pluses to Singapore. If you use Singapore math as written, you will need the Home Instructors Guide (HIG), the textbook, and the workbook at a minimum. (That is three books for the first half of the year!) For the vast majority of kids, this will be all you need. (The idea is to give them JUST enough practice to understand math, but not so much to kill their joy.) THEN, there are all of these other books you can buy to customize how much practice your kid needs. Let's say you have a child who is a math-whiz and the standard workbook isn't challenging enough. Well, then you buy the Intensive Practice and Challenging Word Problems book. (The workbook's word problems are pretty challenging enough IMHO! But some kids like MORE of a challenge.) Or, let's say you have a child who needs more practice before moving on, then you can buy the optional Extra Practice book. But, lets just say that you have a child who struggles in one particular area of math. For example, your child gets everything, but struggles with mental math. Well, then there is a mental math book. It goes on and on. I think the multiple book issue is sort of a con because it can be overwhelming to new homeschoolers. My advice to combat that problem is start out with the workbook and textbook and HIG. Only buy the other books IF your child shows a need.
  16. Loving this thread! I'm more with you square_25 I adore teaching elementary math and conceptual/hands on is where it's at, in my very amateur opinion. I'm not a teacher or mathematician, I didn't do any formal maths after grade 12. I did quite well in school but maths was very procedural and a couple of truly abysmal teachers meant I tapped out and instead focused on humanities. I love maths though, and I love it more having now had the chance to get down into the sandbox with my kids and get my hands dirty making it conceptual. I can't say with authority whether it works best though, I've only got one kid through aops pre-alg so far! One thing that inspired me (other than miquon, Singapore maths and aops) is math circles and specifically this book
  17. I love Singapore Math and that is what we are using. I taught it previously in private school and I have used it with one of my older children. I have always had qualms about it, but I think I like it more than most. I think my 2nd in line choices would be BJU and CLE, neither of which I have used. I have used Horizon's (did not like) and MUS (it was fine, but we ditched the videos and I did not love the workbooks). I did use BJU briefly with one of my sons but that was my really fussy one. I liked it but he did not and we returned to Singapore Math. I ask him now what the issue was and he tells me he simply did not want to work, it was not the actual curriculum. So there is that. My 9 yr old is pretty good at math. He is not like the "fussy one" (I really do not call that older one that fussy one, but already called him that once in this post so did not know how to otherwise refer to him). My oldest hated Singapore Math. He is the one who landed on Horizon's math and did well and stuck with it through the series then moved on to Foerster's Algebra and such. 9 yr old keeps getting upset over math now. I suspect it is because Singapore Math stays on the same topic for almost an entire book and then moves on only after that. We recently had a break through where son was excited about himself because he realized he had suddenly gotten good at division after working at it for the last few months. We are on book 3A, most of the way through. I can see how CLE or maybe even BJU could be a better fit for him. CLE has more variety in each lesson. It does not jump all over the place, but it also reviews some math facts on each lesson and does not give just an entire lessons of just one type of problem. I can see how BJU would be a good fit too as it has two week long chapters and then moves on to another topic. I guess I just feel so guilty because I am big Singapore Math person and I already own the entire series. I saw the used book store had some CLE 3rd grade used so I could pick up a couple of those workbooks to try out (but feel guilty breaking up the set, however, the store is selling them as separates). What should I do? I feel so much guilt and angst over this! edited to add: He gets math fast. He does not struggle with concepts.
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  19. Hi. I posted last week about DD (age 11) who will be in sixth grade. We’ve been doing Singapore standards and just finished grade 5. I initially started to look for another curriculum because Singapore standards doesn’t have an HIG. And we then started to consider pre algebra. Now that DD has heard my husband and I talk about the possibility of doing pre algebra, she really want to try it. I had her take the AOPS readiness test, which says you should get 22/26 to be ready. She scored 21/26 ... one of those incorrect answers was a silly multiplication mistake (she knows her mult facts) and the other 4 were adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing integers, which we just haven’t covered yet. I would say she has been a solid B student in Singapore math. I have spent hours reading through threads about prealgebra and I’m admittedly overwhelmed. I am also not a super mom like some of you who can teach from multiple books and curricula! AOPS is so interesting to me. Could a B math student thrive with that curriculum? Video text was also recommended by someone at rainbow resource, but I can’t find much info about it. Math Mammoth was recommended here, as well... Recommendations and opinions are so appreciated!

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  21. Are any of the web based math options similar in methodology to Singapore Math? I was considering CTC Math and others and wondered if there is something out there like a digital version of Singapore. My husband really thinks a conceptual math will work well for my son and I agree. Anyone know about the existing options if they are similar to Singapore or would something work well as a digital supplement?
  22. What level is he at right now? Singapore Math has "Challenging Word Problems" books for 6th grade level. If he is into solid prealgebra territory, then, my suggestion would be to use the AOPS prealgebra book like @daijobu suggests. Also, there are the Math Olympiad books: - you can get any of them to practice Word Problems.
  23. For kindergarten? As long as she doesn't need something actually scripted, I'd consider these "open and go" in the sense that you can just look at and do: HWOT: Letters and Numbers for Me, one page a day Singapore Math Kindergarten B (assuming baby has already heard of numbers and can do a little counting), textbook only, 10-20 minutes a day Phonics Pathways for both phonics and spelling, 15 minutes a day or until baby is tired Read picture books aloud to student, minimum 3 a day. We liked having an author of the week and reading several by the same person. science: Get library books from the children's non-fiction section on one topic a week, look at them, and talk. (Plants, animals, magnets, etc.) social studies: Go places and talk about how they work (post office, library, grocery store, farmers' market, fire station). Ensure that child can recite full name, address, and a phone number.
  24. We are already doing Singapore Math 1A. Problem is, I realize now that the entire book is pretty much math facts. I do not feel daughter is ready to move on to 1B. I would like her to be more solid in math facts. Maybe I should move her on to 1B and just later, pull from 1A for review. But she hates doing math suddenly. It has been coming on for a week or two actually. She tells me she knows how to do this math already. Sadly, I made her work on math facts using apps and Rod and Staff drill pages before really moving in to book 1a. She could definitely do what is at the end of the book, but pretty much, 90% of the book is stuff we have already been doing. I cannot say she is strong at it. I CAN say she is strong willed! I could move on to 1B. But I was also thinking maybe we could do ...something...something like ...puzzles. I am open to workbooks and computer games and apps. She already loves putting together puzzles. Her reading is completely average. As in, she tested right on the line for beginning 1st grade. I just recall as a child having all these puzzle books, pen and pencil type things. I would not know what the books were called. I will likely move on to the next level in math in August, but would like other things to do also. I am thinking of switching math programs so do not wish to buy 1B until I have made my decision. edited to clarify: I am not looking for anything to help memorize math facts. Singapore Math 1A is almost all just math facts and daughter, who has already worked a ton on math facts, is quite bored with this and no longer wants to do math. I am hoping to find something else to do in the meantime, not math facts. I can just pull the 1A book off the shelf when I feel like it to return to math facts in the book. I guess I never looked close enough to realize the entire book was just single digit math facts, or 90% of it is anyway.

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