....something fun that my guys love is...I have winner Wednesday lol. I have the words were working on or trouble words ir site words that *they* writ on colored index cards. I buy fly swatyers. I call out the word...they smack it with the fly swatter lol. O you have one child..you could play it with him. Ot ggives them more exposure to the words and builds speed in their minds...which helps with fluency. My boys LOVE winner Wednesday . Then the winner gets a treat :) I give the other one opportunity to winna treat too :)

Good idea, McGuffey's , letter tiles, whiteboard and colored pencils. Oh man they love those colored pencils when they are ready to take it to paper from the whiteboard. I love the McGuffey, if you feel like he needs you reading first, hsndo it. I do shared reading . I read a page, he reads a page and so in. Takes the pressure off and helps him build stamina and fluency. He can immitate my voice inflection , reading rhythm. When you change/move up books maybe it would be helpful to him for you to read the first story or 3 (lol) first then let him do it. I notice we have a little anxiety about changing books. Again, takes the pressure off. That's helped us alot. I think that sounds like a really good plan :) Think you got your plan mama :)

Big hugs . My oldest has CP. It's a tough journey. It's a hard thing and completely mind boggling (which makes reconciling it in our minds) that they can be so incredibly bright on one hand. Yet, so many deficits in others. Sounds like you have a very bright kiddo :) We don't have the stroke aspect , but my daughter is now 26, functioning very well, in college and doing great . has a baby, married and lives a completely 'normal' like. We went through years of therapies, series of castings and braces. Speech, ot, PT, and learning to walk again . She says now she is successful because of the CP. It made her an overcomer. Take heart mama, I have 2 autistic guys too. Never underestimate the love , support, and resiliance of these little guys :) You might be surprised at what together you all can accomplish :) Medical advances progress every month, not year anymore , but month. You never know what methods may come out thst will further your lil guy along. With the love I see you have for dc, you can and will get much accomplished :) More big hugs. :) sometimes , things work out way better than expected

^^^ thanks :)

...had to post...phone freezes... But could you elaborate on the ID ? Not sure what you mean irthe connection but I'm sure Its a good thing to think about or understand. You mean where is his IQ? Or I'd as in...intellectual disability? TThats where the IQ borders or is under 70 correct?

Yea. It's perplexing. I've slowly added in and realized all the systematic orderly programs or methods speak to him. He thrives on it and has to have it. Hubby started him on dulio..dulingo...not sure the spelling. And he could do it. There's a firm of it with pictures that dh had him start on. Hubby just switched the email to start coming to me instead of him. Im surprised what he's been doing. And what he knows and reaches to the grandbaby. I never really stopped to think about, hey, he's learning that. I suppose I figured he'd just forget it like everything else and move on. He has t forgot and has t moved on. He's still doing it on his own. The Greek, yea the flashcards I had from the girls has the Greek included. DS 20 and I were talking about that tonite. Latin includes Greek BC Rome basically moved in and assimilated Greece . they were....borged lol (star trek humor) I thought about the congigations . and how I would handle that. I taught it to my big kids through latina Christiana , the first program they put out. He went and got it from the shed and asked to learn it. I guess, I'm so surprised that he looked at that and wanted to. He sees itsstuff he hasn't done and ia hard. Maybe...just maybe...to make the complete home run with language... Could be..Latin. I know families thst have taught English grammar thru Latin grammar. Idk how...I dint remember or..wasn't listening when they told me . was long time ago. Hmm. OhE, you are awesome to bounce things off of. Thank you for replying and input.

I'm wondering if anyone has experience or thoughts on teaching Latin to the autistic child. I said it :/ ...autistic child . sure is hard to make that leap. I started teaching Latin roots and the 'shoots' thst stem from that. It seemed to spark a part of ds12 brain and he has taken off with reading and even writing. He read 2 and a half stories ( never before happened) , and wrote his own book entitled "spaceboy" (aww) with correctly spelled words (mostly) and well constructed sentences . Like all the info I've been putting in his brain I suppose could have just been laying dormant or floating around waiting to be 'filed'. Our struggles are pretty significant. Born addicted and fas. The little bit of Latin, it's weird, it's as if it tapped a portion of his brain in a way that... Brought alot out. All the repition seemed to engage all at once after starting latin roots, stems, and English language they come from. Anyone else encountered this? Or use a Latin program with their kiddos? I was thinking prima latiana. Thoughts? Experiences ? Please? And thank you lol

I haven't read it, but a real life friend here recommended it to me. I'm trying to figure out what autism specific books i should read. With planning , been brainstorming with a friend, but I'm feeling a little scattered on what autism books I should read and in what order . I need to start making a list. I'm going to follow this , ID like to know too. :) So many books, so little time lol :)

.Hunter ...you're awesome :) Thanks

Thats cool you all learned Latin first. Teaching Latin teaches the base and roots to other languages. Instead of a dead language, I would say it is the most alive language there is. What other language has so many others at its root. I saw someone said today on another thread they start teaching Latin in kindy. My big kids started in 3rd and 1st and did great. Today, my son commented how he heard one of his future professors use a word and he broke it down in sections using Latin. Boom, he knew the word and could keep up. The 3 other kids that were listening also, had the deer in the headlights look...didn't hear much less comprehend anything from there on. Wen the professor was done speaking...one of the kids said, I have no idea what you just said . the professor shook his head and walked off. (The same word through the kids that had been public schooled). They were lost. He was thankful mom taught him Latin. Not only that, it sets the mind up for higher learning. My husband speaks 3 languages, insists all our kids learn Latin. (He was born in Rome, but thsts not the reason). Our oldest daughter easily picked up 2 languages BC of her learning Latin. My dyslexic daughter's English grammar comprehension greatly increased after starting Latin and she now fluently speaks Spanish. I have probably made a mistake not teaching my autistic boys at least Latin roots. I changed that. They are learning them. After we started about 2 weeks ago...my 12 started reading (he struggled before then) he still struggles, not near as much as he did AND he wrote a book! Wrote and stapled well constructed sentences, fiction story about the a boy who went to the solar system . Drew a front cover, page numbers, SPELLED CORRECTLY, ( most words) ...book. I was amazed. Everyone is amazed. I attribute thst mostly to starting heavy Latin roots , of course the stem offs from thst and the words we have BC of it. But more importantly , it organized his brain enough to get more out of him for longer. He wants to do the big kids latina Christiana book. I told him I'll order him prima latina. I had the ultimate duh moment . why did I not listen to hubby before now. Learning this has boosted confidenced, taught higher critical thinking, not to mention the English language . Prima latina!....here we come :) Happy mama....happy boy :) I told you so dad lol :) Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this Hunter, and no worries about what you mentioned above. We're all human. I don't take offense :) I'd love to hear any suggestions from anyone on Latin, teaching Latin, Latin programs , strategies. Any of it. Thanks Hunter :)

I could buy one of everything yesteryear has. Sigh. So I guess I'll see what they have in print...then what is only in PDF file...I'll have hubby print. Hunter, I hate to ask, but since you're so familiar with thses...is there anyway you could send a link to the ones that ONLY are on PDF file? I'd like to have hubby start working in those now and I can start looking for the others at yesteryears site. Thanks if you can. And sorry bout the migrane. I get them too. I went to the doc and got a preventive. It's a blocker so you don't get them. It's called topomax. In case you don't want medicine my oldest daughter gets them horrible too ( runs in the family ) The chiropractor recommended she get a piercing on the cartridge in the small part of the ear that's attached to the side of the face. I took her to get it, when it got peirced she had a migraine and it immediately went away and has never come back. Thst was 2 mo ago. I'm afraid of needles lol But my last migrane...yea. I'm gonna go. Hope you feel better

The Christian libery nature readers are awesome . I gave mine away fir some dumb reason lol I'm goin to get more of them. I do have one or maybe 2. I'm so excited about the links. Your idea about how to add mble them is cool. I guess I'll have hubby print them out at work. ( he loves when I do thst ...not!lol)

I'm so glad you linked this I was looking for it but couldn't find it. Camy told me it was no problem :) I knew...could sense she's a good egg. takes too much time to be upset...were too tired! Ha-ha...would rather laugh...or sleep lo Ok...gonna read now. Glad you did this. :)

Camy...your awesome :) thanks...and I totally agree. :) I for some reason can't load messages ...but could view it through email. I knew that! I totally got that sense from you. U rock girl :)

My hubby went to home depot and got those wodden like Apple crates? Works perfectly. Holds more books than anything else we've used. I'm a big fan. I'm going to let them paint them to color code them as we have their notebooks color coded. Easy to get thst subjects books. Love those crates! :)

I didn't read all the replies. But I would suggest wwe . It's a short excerpt from a classic book then ask scripted questions about the text. Has the answers too so it really hones in on the detsils we should b looking for. It has them answer in complete sentences , thsts prewriting. After awhile of using this technique you could then have him write the answers on a white board. Whiteboards are a smoother glide and kids love them over paper and pencil . It took time with my dysgraphia boys ...they do great with it now. We just took it to paper and pencil from the whiteboards and they wrote a whole book! With well constructed sentences good punctuation etc, I was shocked. The thing about wwe is swb knows the detsils to elicit from early /prewriters and provides the answers so we moms are sure to target the important facts/details. I don't think it's unusual for boys this age to be reluctant. WWE is an awesome program to get over this hump and it builds incrementally. I think you'll be happy with it. It does the trick and the whiteboard glides so nicely and boys love it. Then as they are comfortable they can take it to paper and pencil. Or colored pencils lol. That's what we use, makes it fun for them. Again though, boys are more reluctant, eap at this age.

I use both. They sort of work together /compliment each other I think. The ELTL has you listen to a classic book like Alice in wonderland etc then do sentence analysis and other fun things.they do poetry memorixamemorization too, but the ELTL peoms are longer and are harder for my boys. I do the copy work in ELTL BC it's on the book you listen too ( we chose audiobooks, I read aloud alot. It helps) Fll . I love the picture studies and they're scripted. It does grammar in a slightly different way, plus goes into address phone # etc. I really like aspects of both and the 2 together aren't too much. ELTL can almost be like your lit. And fll the grammar, picture studies and other things. I use them both and I think it's a perfect match to work in unison. Fll doesn't have you listen to a classic book which I think is so important . That's why I use both. ELTL really to me is like a lit. Program with some grammar thrown in . I use wwe with them. Read a small excerpt to a classic and ask scripted questions knowing what should be drawn out of the child. That's an early writing program that build sequentially. I would really recommend doing g wwe also. It's quick and easy and scripted. Which helps us the mom know what to elicit from the child and get their brains thinking in a writing and important detail type of way. The boys have fun with it too :) You could always chose the wwe story excerpt from the book you are doing in ELTL. Thsts fun too :)

I use the elson reader in RLTL . I also use the Treadwell readers love, I for my one guy also use McGuffey's. I am getting another set to include the first 2 that I am missing. When I get those. I'll be using McGuffey's with both boys. I like the RLTL. We have lc here so we have more than one program plus it mixes it up a bit. We also use AAR. they have one very fun cute activities. We fpld in phonics pathways. All these are O-G. I really love the combo of the Treadwell , elson and McGuffey's readers. My boys enjoy them have nce, they read them :) I didn't catch the other thread , but if you haven't already maybe go to AAR website and check it out. Their use if letter tiles is awesome. And great fir hands on learning. We do oral lessons, then touching through letter tiles, then take it to paper to write them. ( actually whiteboard) I'm going to follow this thread . I'm always lookin for good ideas with phonics too :)

I don't think you'd have to throw it out and start fresh . you could add it in. I do sorta like this with mine.... Though I don't have the vintage books ( want lol) but we do the cat of bubastes...Nile river study , watercolor ..we also did a salt dough map. I know you said the crafts you didn't care much for and that's fine too. You don't have too. You might find you like it though. It seems like it would be overwhelming ...but I think once you folded at least some of it in...you could assess from there . If you feel overwhelmed...take it out or push it to Friday afternoons just for that. Fun Friday lol. I promise . try just a couple and fold them in and it won't be as much as you think. You dictate how much or how little you do. I really want these books. My old slow phone won't pull up all the links...so I'm going to try to Google them. This is a good thread too camy! :)

Vaquitita I love doing the nature studies and reading. It's a good Friday thing to do...take your journals and draw...write a little bit about it. I want these too. Did you say you have hard copy books on them? I would print some of them out if I had too. But I like books. Idk why. We've done like a Christian libery nature reader so far...but I like these books too. I want them . do you know where to maybe get them in hard copy book form?

That's exactly the mistake I made with Saxon. I just prefer Singapore now. EKS is right. Saxon you can't skip problems. I did, and was big mistake. I love singap math now. And my dyslexic son does so well with it.

I read your previous post, my son is dyslexic too. Sometimes dycalcuia ( math) will go along with that. You could give him the Singapore math placement test. Alot of dyslexics are very bright. He will probably surprise you what he can do. Singapore (reg) theres standards and u.s. editions . one has more review. They are very systematic and orderly which dyslexics thrive on. It teaches you math frontwards backwards laterally . it's an amazing program. Couldn't hurt to try. I've never used or looked for s placement test for them. But I'm sure they have one. We are all over the place fill-in in holes from PS. You'll get there mama :) homeschooling perfect for dyslexics, we can tailor the curriculum to them :)

Oh Saxon math is very frustrating . there are tok many choices...good choices these days to stay with a curriculum thst you both hate. We had more days in tears over Saxon than I care to remember :) Switch is my vote. Never stay with something that makes you miserable. Steals your joy :)

Yes. If there a list thats close to what you like..I'd just tweak that. I did that with the sonlight core reading list . I like their medal winning book list. That's on my secondary list. You mentioned a secondary list for science. I have that too. Science is like it's own beast :) I really like the chronological part and is orderly in the kids heads. Have you seen the original well trained mind book? That's where I took my choices for the chronological part. (History and including the artist composers etc) I didn't use everything she had. But I chose alot of what I wanted then added some others I really liked. The original wtm was like a how to ..so it had all that laid out which was nice. So don't forget to tell me what RSO is and send thst list girl :)

Yes. I have the master plan then secondary list. Works good for us. I have a general set of books lots I want to get through but it can vary what gets read. Oused to the summer, next school year or like you said. If they don't read every book, not the end of the world. And you're right too about...some books are just worth reading twice :) Oh, I totally wanna hear your list...i might add some to mine :) Isn't this the fun part of the year? :) nah...cuddlin n reading cute fun books is fun too :) My boys said the thing they like most about homeschooling is that we bond. Awwwww! :) melt. Shoot. Lay it on us. I wanna know :) Ya know. I surprisingly to me gave alot of fun planning science. I keep a separate master plan for science but I reference it on the master master plan haha! So I have my outline and plan for all else....then I have a addendum to the master plan and science laid out like insects, reptiles, human body, earth, solar system, chemistry, physics. The chem and physics I have its own category and just the things and books listed I want to do. Therea not as much done with those 2 in the lower grades. Highschool is when that ramps up . it's meaty so if I can give them an intro to it I'm good with that. What's RSO? What I've done is sorta a combo of like the picture books with text about earth, water creatures, weather ( I hate weather lol), animals, mamals, birds, trees, plant life, it's a series of books. I'll have to pull em out and send you the title if it...you've probably already read em to the kids...you approach things like I do. So you've probably at least seen em. I also will get...and this is the only subject I do this with but I will buy a Bob jobes curriculum set including the activities. They'll have some cool things to do hands on. Plus, I like to get the reading level I want to stretch them on....readings a struggle...were gettin there though :)