There is a new Henle II student guide from Memoria Press. It goes through all the exercises in Henle II and a great portion of the Caesar readings. It guides the student in exactly what to do each day. The notes anticipate the most common questions that students have in the exercises and readings. There are also new quizzes and tests so that the parent can oversee the student's progress. If you have any questions on anything in Henle II or the new study guide, you can post them in the MP Forum and get an expert answer. I think this would fit your needs better than finding a tutor who may or may not be thoroughly familiar with all the concepts in Henle II. Bonam fortunam.

Too late?? Agreeing with the others that it is absolutely not too late! Many students do not study Latin until high school. An older student can learn in one or two years what it might take a younger student perhaps four years, e.g., Henle I can be completed in two years or less by a student in upper middle school or high school, while the Forms (for younger students) take four years. They basically cover the same Latin grammar and syntax -- although Henle is more oriented to prepare the student to start reading authentic Latin, such as Caesar's writing. Good luck to you. He has many years of happy Latin study ahead of him! Bonnie

It does have some Catholic content, but most Protestants do not find it offensive. Any Catholic content is more supplementary than essential, and you may always skip any isolated sentences that you do not want to read. It is not anti-Protestant. Henle I teaches the basic grammar and begins to prepare the student to read Caesar. Henle II teaches more intermediate and advanced grammar, and the student begins reading Caesar in the second half of the Henle II year. Then the student is well prepared to read Cicero or the Aeneid in future years.

It is your choice. But the Forms were written to be started by children as young as 4th or 5th grade. Henle I can easily be done in 8th and 9th grade. It is an introductory program just as the Forms are, written for students with no prior Latin study -- but it was written for older students. It is correct that you would not jump from First Form to Henle II. The Forms allow younger students four years to learn the basic, elementary Latin grammar and syntax, while Henle I moves at a pace more appropriate for older students; they complete the basic grammar and syntax in 2 years. Henle also has a different approach; it is also grammar-based, but is more focused on learning to read Latin. Jon Christianson is a very engaging teacher. It is your call, and you won't really go wrong either way.

Yes, that is Jon Christianson in the sample.

"I really don't want to move to ecclesiastical. I think it will be easy to move that way if needed but prefer classical pronunciation and read that it is harder to go from ecclesiastical to classical." Sometimes people confuse the usage of the terms classical and ecclesiastical. These words may refer to the two pronunciations systems -- or instead they may refer to the period of time in which a text was written. If someone wrote that it is harder to go from ecclesiastical to classical, they are correct if they are referring to the time period and subject matter of the text (not to the pronunciation system). It is easier to read an ecclesiastical text like the Vulgate (Latin Bible) than the texts of Caesar and Cicero, writers of the classical period -- and, yes, it will be harder to move to classical texts from the looser constructions of the ecclesiastical time. Although MP is more oriented to ecclesiastical pronunciation, the focus is on learning to read classical texts. A student can do that with either pronunciation system. It is very easy for students to learn both pronunciations over the course of their studies. Parents sometimes see this as more difficult than it is. However, I would not spend upper middle school or high school years with the Forms. They are written for younger children. I would switch to Henle I over two years, with the new videos, and then move on to Henle II.

She will be in 8th grade? I would switch to Henle I (done over 2 years) and use the new videos featuring Jon Christianson. He is very engaging. You might check that out on the MP website. Then she could move to Henle II, which will be much more challenging and appropriate for a high schooler than the Forms are. Happy Fourth and bonam fortunam!

Are you interested in switching courses only because you prefer that she use classical pronunciation rather than ecclesiastical pronunciation? If you are happy with MP, I would not switch simply to change the pronunciation system that she uses. As Quarter Note says, it is not difficult to learn both systems. Many Latin students learn both at some point in their Latin studies. Those who know both pronunciations realize that the systems have more similarities than differences.

I see the arguments on both sides of this issue. Yes, if you are in the middle of the Forms, you may as well complete them and then move to Henle II. I have no doubt that most colleges would give credit for the Forms in high school. I agree that, across the board, with all the different Latin programs, the work actually done to claim high school credits must vary widely from student to student. A student who has done four Forms may claim four credits, and a student who has done Henle I (usually done over two years), Henle II, and either Henle III (Cicero) or AP Latin, can likewise claim four credits. And yet the latter student will have had the opportunity to progress much farther in understanding Latin and in developing the ability to read authentic Latin literature. A student who has completed either the four Forms or Henle I has learned basic Latin grammar and is ready to go on to Henle II, where they will learn intermediate and advanced syntax and begin to read Caesar. I would encourage you to keep Henle II in your long-range plans. That is the year that the student pulls all the grammar and syntax together and reads extended passages of classical Latin. I think your student will really enjoy it. Excellent point just above.

I agree with this, and I would seriously consider switching her to the second half of Henle I for 10th grade. Then she could do Henle II for 11th grade and another upper-level course senior year, more appropriate for high school study. However, this would involve some effort to make a smooth transition from Second Form to Henle I, and you may want to just leave her in the Forms. I think the most total credit you can claim for all four Forms would be two high school credits. And yes, Henle II would definitely be a high school credit.

MP has free shipping in February. The MP set now available for Henle Second Year Latin is basically just lesson plans. The new Student Guide will have extensive notes and supplements to help the student in understanding the concepts in Henle II, as well as comprehensive tests to reinforce that knowledge. I don't know the exact timing of its release, and I don't know whether you can pre-order it. But you might just like to know about the free shipping available now. I'm sorry. Now I see that you mentioned Canada. Sorry about that. Oh well, maybe others in the States will like to know about MP's shipping.

FarmingMomma, I just thought you might want to know that, for the coming year, there will be a new student guide from Memoria Press for Henle Second Year Latin.

Your son sounds like a mature learner if he walked around with his Latin book and took notes from it. Normally, a student would not start Henle I until 8th grade. But you might consider it for him and go at a slower pace than for an older student. It is different from the Forms; it teaches the grammar but is more oriented toward preparing the student to read Latin. It is a great Latin text, with historical background as well, and it will accustom him to read simple sentences and passages. He could take up to three years to complete it and still have several years to read Caesar and Cicero in Henle II and Henle III. You should be aware that it has Christian content in case that is a concern. Bonnie

I would consider studying Henle I over 7th and 8th grades. You could use Memoria Press resources. If she does the Forms over the next 4 years, she would not read authentic Latin literature until 11th grade. If she were younger, I would recommend the Forms. Bonnie

Henle is a great program with excellent grammar training and more reading practice than the Forms. He will probably enjoy it and find the content interesting. (Some 6th graders might need to go a bit more slowly than older students.) Bonnie

For a 7th-8th grader, I would consider Henle Latin I. It would be more interesting for him than the Forms, and it moves at a more moderate pace than Wheelock's. Bonnie

It can be done by most students in two academic years. I have known accelerated students who homeschooled year-round and did most of it in a year and a half. Bonnie

Memoria also has a sequence of logic studies considered to be quite good. Bonnie

You should consider Henle Latin. You can have a look at the program on the Memoria Press website. After that, she could move to Henle II and more advanced reading of authentic Latin prose. She could do very well in self-studying Henle, especially as you say she works at an accelerated pace and prefers self-study to online classes. You yourself do not need to know Latin, as she can ask questions and get reliable answers on the Memoria Press forum about any aspect of her Latin study. Bonnie

You might want to look into Memoria College, which has recently been established: https://memoriacollege.org/ Bonnie

I would seriously lean toward Henle I. You can use the MP study guide/ lesson plans. If your daughter plans to take the AP Latin exam eventually -- which basically covers Caesar's Gallic War and Virgil's Aeneid -- Henle I will lead perfectly to reading The Gallic War afterwards. Another benefit is that you or she can ask any Latin-related questions you wish on the MP Forum and you will promptly receive knowledgeable answers. Optimam fortunam. Bonnie

I would recommend Henle First Year Latin. The four Forms, basically equivalent to Henle First Year, were written so that children could start learning Latin at a younger age, as young as 5th grade. They were modeled on the content of the Henle Grammar. Henle is a high school level text and would be more suitable to the pace that a 16-year-old can follow. In 15 weeks, if your daughter wished, she could potentially cover more ground in Henle than is taught in First Form. However, your decision between Henle and First Form might rest on how much time she has to devote to Latin now. Henle has a certain but not overwhelming amount of Christian content that might prove beneficial to her considering her college plans. It is a classic textbook that has stood the test of time. The text, the Grammar, and the Answer Key are very affordable. I think that is a great suggestion made by someone else to find out the college's Latin textbook. Many colleges use Wheelock's. But be aware that it was written for college-age students and moves quite briskly. I think however much she can do in Henle would give her the best foundation for her college studies. Best of luck to her in her Latin studies and college career! Bonnie http://secondyearlatin.com/

I am sorry that the excerpts from throughout the lessons were not helpful to you. I have had many parents who said that they preferred excerpts from various lessons covering many concepts, rather than seeing a page from only one lesson, which, of course, tends to focus on one construct of syntax. I am inundated with getting orders out now, but I will consider putting up a page from one lesson next week. Thank you for your suggestion. Bonnie secondyearlatin.com

Hello all, I have written a study guide to all the lessons (1-32) in Henle Second Year Latin. It has detailed guidance to the syntax of the lessons and exercises; supplementary explanations about various topics (the gerundive, the subjunctive, helps for reading Latin, pronunciation and accent placement, why we study Caesar); extra background information for the short readings and sayings; references to the relevant items in the Henle Grammar; nine exams on the lessons, one exam on pronunciation, and exam answer key. (A companion guide to the readings from the Gallic War -- and the Christian Latin section -- will be ready by December. It will include historical background information.) Please have a look at my website to see excerpts from different lessons and read my essay Why Caesar? You can email me at magistra@secondyearlatin.com. Thank you. Bonnie SecondYearLatin.com

Salvete, I have started a Twitter page devoted to tweets of interest to students of Latin. It will be very eclectic. My first tweets are about Julius Caesar and the Gallic War ( the topic of Henle Second Year Latin), the Colosseum, Magna Carta, etc. My page is kid-friendly, along with any links I include. My idea is to pique interest with fun facts and dates of Roman history, especially the Gallic War, developments in archaeology, Christian Latin -- just anything Latin-related that seems timely. https://twitter.com/SecondYearLatin Thanks in advance to those who check it out. Comments and suggestions are most welcome. Bonnie