yeah. Basic indoctrination.

In that case I am a Virginian. :D

I disagree with Jim. The KWO outline is the first basic step and isnt used again once you start outlining from longer and multiple sources, which it sounds like your child will soon be doing if he is already able and familiar with the outline process. The KWO is used for very short pieces. The nxt step comes in unit 4 IIRC (?)where you begin outlining longer pieces and you do not KWO those.

Bc of ths thread I spent the morning toying with scanning and importing PDFs for my ds to fill out on the computer. The most pain free process is still annoying but it entails scanning, converting to PDF and importing to google docs. Its not as streamlined as buying a PDF Pen product for sure, since I have to import to google and it has to use OCR to convert. Still its painless for ds and intriguing.

One note is in the mobile app store tho. Not sure about the Mac however. I wonder about scanning. Every HP scanner have ever had has quit working incl the one I have now. .

I am super interested in this. Is it something you could use on Mac? Is there a Mac alternative?

Now is the time to get it. Almost everything is 10 % off for this month.

I liked it so much I now sell it.:)

Just to address the info in the OP: What kind of weak kneed ninny sends her kids away from home rather than handle a really very simple situation of disagreement with a neighbor? As an adult, you can only be a victim of a 12 yr old if you allow yourself to be. As for TCS and radical unschooling... the radically unschooled kids in our group are not brats at all. They are thoughtful pleasant kids.

I am using it with an 8th gr (QRR) and a 6th gr (AA1) What I like: for the older one this is strictly history. I did not use the lit and am doing separate "english class" or LA. I try to make it somewhat relevant- ie we're learning about Shakespeare and reading Midsummer Night's Dream. fr the younger I like the hands on stuff- the New World Explorer set we're using now has a variety of things my kids enjoy- today we'll make portuguese sweet bread, for example. My ds is 11 and can really do this on his own with his sister (6). So he is playing the teacher. Love that. Some of the books had to be switched- we have done Sign of the Beaver, but easy to switch to Birchbark House, which is new to all of us and preferred by Oyate. Like that it is far fewer books than SL, where we felt like we were beaten to death with books we were tired of. Like someone else said, there are only so many times you can read the same info before thinking geez, I get it already, and using the SL readers and read alouds felt like that. I do not find AA1 to have that issue. (My 6 yr old is doing SL grade 3 readers and that's her first time with assigned reading and she is so cute.) I feel like AA1 really does a good job for my 6th and 2nd gr kids. I dont feel like Im stretching either one the wrong way. I love the Maestro books it uses. I enjoy the Time Traveler CDrom (except I hate the printing and paper and ink $!) I bought all the cdroms used here. So far have not seen any anti catholic content. What I do not like: QRR needs questions. Why it doesnt have them when QMA does is beyond me. I did not purchase the additional exclusives like the make your own book and world's fair project list bc this kid is not a project kid like the other two are. Tho I have not yet begun I will probably have ds stop outlining Kingfisher (always seemed hard) and start outlining the other text used (Idiot's Guide). Knowledge Quest hasnt integrated the maps with WP yet. HURRY UP TERRY!! LOL Love Knowledge Quest. Ds felt some of the QRR WP selections were babyish (Shakespeare for Kids).

I agree with those who say do not take thoase assinine remarks lying down. Your husband earned every penny of any money he receives thru "the government".

This is why you often here the phrase "people of color" used. Bc to us in the US black means a person of african descent. People of color can include a much wider range of non white peoples.

Get a good lawyer and stop talking about this here. It sounds like he is threatening you bc he is afraid he will have to pay support he has owed you. You should always always seek formal custody arrangements to protect yourself. I doubt most judges would fail to see through this attempted power play.

Ya know, the scout oath and law are not some magical incantations that produce perfect behavior in young people. Im just dying here at the idea that this behavior- some name calling (followed by an accusation which is apparently a gross exageration of the extent of bullying) is reasonably best addressed by expulsion from scouting. And I love the grasping at straws wrt things people couldnt possibly know- ie what the kids were carrying. The fact is it isnt and shouldnt be easy to expel a kid from scouting. While the blah blah blah about scouting being and honor is all well and good, most 11-16 yr old boys are immature and naughty (this may yet continue far past 16) and the expectation of no misbehavior is frankly laughable. The idea isnt that the kids be perfect as young scouts but that they mature and learn and grow as scouts. I do also think there is an attitude of a lot of ribbing and teasing among any group of guys which to women will look mean or bizarre. That's a real difference between women and men I think. i never tease my sil about supporting some really crappy sports team, for example. Also calling wimpy people girl scouts seems to be a scout wide phenomenon as we have also heard it. I object and remind my boys that their sister could likely kick their butts. I do think to allow that sort of name calling is to subtly encourage misogyny.

I bought a refurb. MUCH better than even the 20% discount. Amazon has them as does woot occassionally and the dyson website.

Obviously the boy in the OP is a decent kid who made a bad choice. That's how most kids are. Those who think name calling is soem sort of unusual activity among kids just bc its distasteful are delusional, really. There is no reason he should be made to leave scouts for this, that's for sure.

12 year old boys are the definition of awkward anyway, so it is likely complicated. We hosted through AFS and always much older students. I would not at all be interested in younger kids than teens. Too many issues I could foresee. Would NEVER all ow my 12 yr old to do such a thing.

Some of you guys seem to be really confused about the existance of intrinsic motivation. Maybe you'd want to look into it a little. Its pretty early on that a sense of self preservation kicks in. its also fairly early on that most kids grasp social niceties. For those that didn't, despite living in homes where social niceties are practiced and re-enforced explicit instruction is usually udner taken. But its not always an immediate success. When my ds1 was 9 he received a gift he found insulting from an aunt and uncle who do not know him. He felt insulted bc it was beneath his level, but they did not know that bc they do not know him. he was insulted bc he can't grasp that it was nice of them to get him a gift bc he is too busy being insulted by it. he actually had a little snit about it. We sent him upstairs. not bc we thought that would teach him. rather bc we needed to get him out of the room and apologize. The next year rolled around. Prior to Christmas we spoke many times about how these people do not know him and may not be able to choose a gift for him that he will enjoy but that they want to share a gift with him bc its tradition and he is their nephew etc We practiced appropriate responses. He received Uno. It was a nicer Uno not the carboard box one. Tho we had practiced he was unable to reach completely appropriate levels. He opened it and looked at it in confusion and said, "This must be for my brother." They assured him it was for him. He eventually said, "oh. well my brother can have it." That was progress.

yes I find that removing myself works well too. Not engaging is key. If you are stuck in a car just do not respond. remembering ross Greene's advice that you cant reason with someone who is irate/ upset makes a difference with my explosive son.

I think what you are missing here is that kids don't generally want to run after mom with a knife, beat the dog or etc. Unless they have a mental illness. those really aren't issues the typical child's parents encounter, But mentally ill children do those things and its not bc their parents "let" them.

Im sure they felt very comforted by your agreeing with them.:glare: I don't really get your point. So because these parents didn't feel they'd been effective its proof that rudeness and criminal behavior is the parents' fault? You know, you always wish you could do more and do better when your kids act out. That doesn't mean that the reality is that YOU didn't do enough or the right thing. The reality is that you do the best you can, esp if you are as educated and invested as most women on this board.

I find it fascinating that the same people who are so interested in personal responsibility are so often guilty of blaming (bad) parenting for their adult children's drug issues.

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This is a tricky business. But essential, really.

You may be ascribing motive here incorrectly. I think the way you see your child is concerning. i mean, its possible he is a sociopath at 5 as you clearly believe, but then again if he isnt and you think he is... self fulfilling prophecy??? Id get some serious counselling stat for the whole family.