Here are a couple of links that might be helpful: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/symptom-checker/DS00671/SYMPTOM=2ABD3551-2A5D-9994-EB064D62506EB87A&TAB=Joint%2520pain%2520or%2520muscle%2520pain And http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=38256 I know my son complains of leg pains sometimes, and feet pains sometimes, especially at night- I think these are growing pains. He's never indicated joint pain specifically though. Hope it stops either way or you find answers, it's horrid seeing your children in pain!

Well, the Mayans were right about no 2013 New Year. We can't possibly ring in a new year without Dick Clark. Maybe that can be the rationalization??

I just bought it today (hadn't preordered) and mine says shipped and that I should receive Saturday with Amazon Prime.

Today was a lot better than yesterday. More like a regular period. No more huge clots, sudden gushes, or excruciating cramps. I am glad that part is over, it was horrid. I just wish things had turned out differently. :(

I had to look up that Ford reference, I didn't even know what it meant!

Wow. That's crazy! Some people have no business being teachers!

Aw thank you. The cramping seems to have stopped and things seem to be slowing down again. Not sure if that means the worst is over or if it's only because I stayed in bed all day and moving about would make it worse again, but I'll see how things are in the morning. My mom took my son for a couple of hours, picked up my older daughter from school after her volleyball practice, went to the library for me, and took my younger daughter to her first play rehearsal this evening. And dropped her off along with KFC for dinner! Huge help! She also told dh he could drop my son off at her house on his way to work tomorrow and she'd watch him for a few hours again. I hope things are much better tomorrow physically. The emotional aspect sort of comes and goes with me feeling fine one minute and crying the next. I guess that's how that will be for a while! Just glad I have some support at home and here on the boards, because, really, in a situation like this, the more support the better!

Oh, gosh. I know how scary it is having been through three losses in a row myself! I really hope you get great news! Will they start monitoring your hcg levels right away? If they double normally that should be a sign it's not ectopic but if it rises slowly and doesn't increase enough, that could be ectopic and a good way to try to determine that while it's still too early to see much on ultrasound but early enough that it hopefully doesn't affect your tube! Thinking of you and wishing you lots of luck! :grouphug:

lol, maybe!

I am glad you are feeling more positive, but you have nothing to be sorry for. Most of us have ups and downs and most of us share them. This is a great place to do that and I love the support here, through good times and bad!

My 11 y/o has one. She is at an age where she goes with friends to the park or to their houses or to ride bikes around the block or gets dropped off for certain activities, and I feel more comfortable knowing she can get in touch with me at any time, and I can get in touch with her at any time. I don't let her keep the phone in her room at night, and until a few days ago she hadn't given her number out to anyone questionable so we've had to review that! :P

So my daughter just told me that a boy she's friends with on our street, who is in either 5th or 6th grade, just told her that his science teacher told his class that on Christmas Day we will have a second sun and everything will be really bright for a few days and- wait for it- that 1/3 of the population will die, in places like Australia and Africa. I told her that was a load of nonsense and I was wondering whether the school really has a science teacher crazy enough to say something like that, or if the boy had made it up, or if he'd misunderstood or exaggerated what his teacher said. So I decided to do a little looking online to see if I could find something that at least part of what he said was based on and came across a few articles on Betelguese, a big star that may or may not collapse sometime soon, becoming a supernova and giving the temporary appearance of two suns. Some said harmless particles may reach earth, some said it is so far away that earth likely won't see much of its light at all- It was said it could happen as early as 2012 and could take much longer. I do wonder where this nonsense about Christmas Day and 1/3 of the population came from though! Please, not from a science teacher!

Thank you all, and Pam for sharing all that. Today has been pretty rough, physically. I thought there had been a huge improvement in the middle of the night and this morning but it just got progressively heavier as the day went on until it was at least as heavy as it was all of yesterday. TMI again- the clots became very frequent again and even bigger than yesterday's. So much so that I called my dr again to ask if all this is normal, and they again said it was. I've been laying in bed almost all day long. The cramps got worse. I took two painkillers, put a hot water bottle by my stomach, and slept on and off all afternoon. Every time I sit or stand up there's another gush. It is SO NOT FUN!! I hope tomorrow is better. I'm so glad my 11 y/o is such a big help. She's bringing me hot water bottles, lunch, drinks, kept an eye on her brother for me for quite a while (then my mom came and took him for a couple hours). I didn't expect there to be so much clotting and cramping after the fact. I had almost no cramping before and during the actual m/c.

Two different times now when our toilet started bubbling with the washing machine, it meant someone had to come and waterjet out our waste line. The first time the town did it for free but said they wouldn't do it again because we don't have a place outside where it can be done and they had to enter our basement and technically they are not allowed to enter the house. So the second time we had to hire a plumber and it cost $250.00. It was about three years in between before it needed it again that second time (which was just like a week ago).

We're doing it in 6th with Teaching Textbooks. It did plenty of other stuff with fractions in 5th but multiplying them is in 6th.

Thanks, everyone. Oh, my, was yesterday an emotional roller coaster. I went through it all. Feeling more "relieved" than anything else that it was over, feeling mad that this happened to me again, to a complete breakdown where I just sobbed and sobbed for what I think was the hardest, longest, cry I've ever had in my life, feeling completely sorry for myself that in December it will be two years since I talked my husband into trying for one more, and all I have to show for it is three dead babies. But I took a painkiller hoping it would help with the crampiness and help me sleep, went to bed, and when I got up once in the middle of the night and again around 7:30 AM to use the bathroom, I could tell that it is slowing down significantly, so, that's good. I had made plans a long time ago to go out with friends tomorrow night. Maybe I'll even still be able to do it. We'll see. ETA: Never mind, apparently I spoke too soon. I guess it slowed down while I was sleeping but now that I'm up and moving about it's just getting worse again with more huge clots etc. I hope this doesn't go on too long. It's pretty gross. :P

He has lost his one friend? No, She was an 11 year old girl he had just met the day before. He was a 14 year old boy who spoke about topics not appropriate for an 11 year old girl OR someone you just met yesterday. And I'm not sure why you're saying "and now his dad knows" as if that's a bad thing, especially followed by "he could have been a scared child trying to get help." I completely agree that he could have been a scared child trying to get help. That's why it's a good thing that the scout leader and his dad now know what's going on. They are the people who can help him. My 11 y/o daughter is NOT the person who can help him, nor should she be. She's not a parent, she's not a therapist, she's not a doctor, she's not an authority figure, she's not even a peer. She's just a kid, too, and a much younger one, and one who barely knows him.

Called dr- she didn't seem too concerned. Said my endometrial lining was about twice the thickness of that during a normal period and there is stuff to shed and that it will get better but for now she seemed to think this was normal and just said to call again if it gets worse. Hoping tomorrow will be better.

Since I first m/c, about 6 hours ago.

Ok sorry for the tmi details but it seems like every 10-20 minutes I am passing biggish clots and about every hour pad is full. It is making me nervous, should I be worried??

And I totally appreciate you guys being pissed on my behalf! It seems like I'm having much more bleeding than I did after the last m/c and a lot of large clotting that I don't recall happening last time either. I hope that is normal. I am about two weeks further along (by lmp) than I was with the last one (just over 9 weeks compared to just over 7) but again the baby's measurements never got past 6 weeks, so, I don't know...

My husband was with me at the appt. thank you. I am just relieved at this point that it is over with. Very sad but relieved too. It was really stressful waiting that out.

So they call me back to do weight, blood pressure etc and as I'm. Walking toward that room I feel a big gush of blood and tell them I have to go to the bathroom. In the bathroom I see a stack of cups for peeing in, crouch and go in that, and a kind of biggish clot came out. A nurse took it, I went and did the weight, blood pressure, etc, and as they are leading me to exam room same thing happened. They collected that too. I wait I'm exam room a min or two and feel like I have to go again- one more clot but I couldn't catch that one and lost it. :( So then they figure they may as well do ultrasound again, and that was it- everything was out. Dr said first scan had shown sac was sort of compressed, fetal pole still there but no heartbeat, and now it's all out. So that's it, over, and I'm gonna have a big freakin glass of wine tonight. I am a little nervous that last clot I couldn't catch was what (or part of what) they needed to test but she said she thinks she has what she needs and they're sending it out tonight for testing. I have to follow up in a month to see if they got results if I haven't heard from her by then. She said her gut feeling is that it's chromosomal. I hope so. That would mean just another fluke and try again. Three babies officially gone. Sucks so much. But glad if it had to happen it happened the way it did, where they could collect and rescan right away. Thanks for being here for me.

Just had the ultrasound. I could see no heartbeat. Waiting in the waiting room again for dr to be available to speak with me.

:iagree: She didn't say anything about that! I don't think they usually go to Girl Scouts event but since this one was focusing on skills that Boy Scouts more typically learn, I guess they were there with their scout master getting to help with knot tying, orienteering, and so on. Not sure if this will cause them to rethink that in the future! Yes, I was thinking the same thing! Of course my own kids are my very first priority and concern, but at the same time, I do feel bad for the kid- at 14, he's still just a kid, too, and I hope he gets the help he needs!