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  1. 1 hour ago, BaseballandHockey said:

    One thing that always strikes me on this board is how much weight parents put on a 9th grader's plan.  Maybe homeschooled kids are more mature, and have a better sense of self, but as a high school teacher, I can tell you that it is very developmentally appropriate for kids to change their plans repeatedly in high school.  i would be very hesitant to design a kid's high school years around a specific university or specific major.  

    I have a 9th and a 10th grader. My 10th grader hasn’t taken any dual enrollment classes so far, she’ll take fashion in the spring. She plays piano, dances competitively, has taken a ton of art classes. Totally different kid and totally different plans. We don’t have a school she’s aiming for. She’ll probably start touring next year to see what will work for her. My 9th grader has wanted to do engineering and go to cal poly since 6th grade. I brushed it off when she was younger but now that she still wants that I’m helping her navigate a plan for that. I don’t have a problem with her changing plans later and I’ve talked to her about maybe just attempting her general Ed’s in high school and trying an intro to engineering and intro to comp science since she likes both of those. All through my kids younger years I’ve planned and all of those years the plans have changed as we see what actually work and often as our goals change. I’m never glued to my plans but I am a big picture person so when we plan to details it helps me to make a big picture plan to understand how what we are doing works towards the big picture. I know the big picture might/probably will change and I’m fine with that. 

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  2. 18 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

    So, I don't know about your CC, but generally competitive colleges don't expect kids to have to take algebra in college at all. At UT Austin, say, even the precalc was pretty remedial-feeling. Yes, it was for credit, but it was for the struggling kids. 

    That’s probably because a kid from high school should have at the very least gone through Algebra-pre cal if they are aiming for a stem major. I would guess most hit Cal by senior year but I don’t think for a 9th grader taking the college algebra which is supposed to be equivalent to Algebra 2 it would be looked at as remedial. If we continue on the college path in high school she would finish Cal I, II and III and maybe linear algebra if she takes the college classes each semester. For a freshman entering a university I think that would be pretty good. The classes are free and they have free tutoring session (non-covid time) so that’s a benefit for us. It’s not really necessary to take the classes though until pre-cal so we’ll see what we do. She only needs Cal I and Cal II for the AS. I think I’m going to have her talk to the counselor and see what they suggest. We’ve tried getting through to Cal Poly but all of the colleges here have stopped answering calls due to covid so everything is through email and we haven’t had a lot of luck with that. 

  3. The college algebra at this CC isn't remedial. It's for credit and UC/CS transferable. We did Aops for Pre-Algebra and Algebra and switched to Mr. D for Geometry and this year she's in his class for Algebra 2 but it's too easy for her. That did help push us towards moving her into the college class. I'm hopeful the class is a little more challanging but I don't want it to be over her head either. During non-covid times they have math labs at the library if a student has a hard time but during covid it's all online and I don't think they have any tutoring. I don't know how well the classes are translating to online either. The class she's taking right now has zero lectures. It's so odd. All book reading, some ted talks, discussion questions, test and uploading speeches to youtube. From the looks of their catalog none of the classes will have live lectures. 

  4. It's completely doable as long as she takes only college math classes. From my understanding though each semester of college math equates to a year of high school math. So far our experience is they are not equal amount of work as a year of a high school class but cover a years worth of material. We had planned on her starting the college math classes in 11th grade but instead she's going to start this spring so we'll see how it goes. We have a few weeks to drop if it seems too difficult but of course that would mean changing our plans. Our community colleges changed their placement test so it's hard to really know where she would place. Their placement test just ask the last class taken in high school math and then you are either elgible for college algebra or pre-cal. I feel like an actual placement test even if it's just a suggestion would be helpful. Some people have told me collge algebra is equivalent to Algebra 2 and others have said it's pre-cal. The titles of the college classes don't seem to have direct correlations to the titles of high school classes.


    ETA: Now that I'm thinking about the math sequence it does seem like the college sequence is pretty similar to the high school one. That makes me feel a little better about it. This is the sequence the community college she is attending has file:///C:/Users/amanz/Downloads/Math%20Sequence%20Chart%20(1).pdf  We are starting with Algebra this spring and she'll do Trig and Pre-Cal next year which is the normal sequence right? 

  5. 2 hours ago, 8filltheheart said:

    I would recommend taking things in a different order.  I would take alg-based physics in 10th and chemistry in 11th and then the cal-based physics in 12th.  That way she doesn't have to have 2 straight yrs of introductory physics and physics does help with chemistry.

    What are the "so many math courses"?  Alg 2 in 9th is not that accelerated.  That makes precal next yr and cal 1 and 2 in 11th with an opportunity for additional math options in 12th.  That is not that atypical of students who will be applying to competitive programs.  Does Cal Poly admit by major?  If so, that makes it even more competitive.  (Just trying to interject some perspective into the process bc sometimes it is hard to keep our kids' trajectory compared to others in perspective.)

    For a student attempting to earn their AS and competitive colle admission, her load doesn't seem out of proportion to me.  (FWIW, it isn't a path I would opt to take with my kids, but I don't live in CA and I have way more flexibility.)


    The problem is she isn't accelerated enough to have her pre-requisites for the college classes she wants to take her senior year fullfilled at this rate. She needs the college cal 2 class to be complete in order to take the physics course not high school cal. 2. Using the college entrance exams the highest math they will allow you to score into is pre-calculus. If she took high school classes and did pre cal next year and high school cal 11th she could only score into the pre-cal college course. She has to start the pre-cal fall semester of 10th grade to hit college cal 2 by the end of 11th. They actually have a pre-engineering AS that can be completed at our community college but she couldn't even attempt it because she would need to have completed college cal 2 by the end of 10th to be elgible for the classes she needed to get the AS. 

    2 hours ago, Roadrunner said:

    Cal Poly isn’t that competitive. Half of our high school goes there with only Calculus AB. 

    I would focus on GPA and make sure grades are high. They will care more about high GPA that anything atypical on the transcript.

    They have a formula of some sorts on how they admit kids so it’s important to check all of those boxes. They don’t have holistic admissions last I checked. 

    I'm not super worried about getting into ca-poly and she is applying for cal poly pomona which is less selective than san luis obisbo. Her reach school is Harvey Mudd but honestly I'm happy with Cal-poly. She does robotics at a center that uses cal poly kids and they do a big competition every year at the campus. When they do the competion they tour the school and she really likes it and I think going there every year has made her feel more connected in a way to that school. The engineeering program is impacted though and more selective than the school in general. The reason we are doing the dual enrollement is for monetary reasons. She can complete the GE classes in high school for free and hopefully complete her BA in 2 years after high school. Cal poly is only 8k a year so she could get her BA potentially for 16k. She doesn't need her AS to complete her GE-Breadth requirements but she already was interested in taking the computer classes just because she likes them and we only need to add the two additonal physics classes to have her graduate with the AS so we figure she might as well do it and hopefully based on these classes she can decide if she is going to persue computers or electrical engineering. 


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  6. I just looked at the college she wants to go to (Cal Poly) and they require chem so I guess that answers that question. I was hoping since she’s taking so many math and physics course maybe she could do another life science next year or something a little easier because she will already be in 3 college classes, honors English and Honors US history. I guess there’s no way around it. 

  7. She will take a high school physics and then two physics courses at the college her senior year. The college course requires physics in high school prior to taking their courses. I’m assuming they are pretty difficult physics courses because she has to switch to college math classes to get to the math she needs to take those classes. She’s in Algebra 2 this year so she’s a little ahead of typical freshman but she has to complete Cal 2 prior to taking the college physics 1 class. She needs the two college physics classes to get an AS which will be in computer science. She likes computers and she likes engineering. She’s been leaning towards electrical engineering but since she loves computers and our local community college offers this program I thought I would let her take the courses. They are free for a high schooler. I thought she might have to take chem since it does seem like the only logical class for her to take. She just wasn’t really interested and she has a super heavy load on in 10th grade. We may have to change some things around to get chemistry in. 

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  8. My daughter is currently in 9th grade and taking a college biology class. She is going to work on her AS while in high school for computer science but her goal is an engineering degree. Her credits will cover the general Ed requirements for the university. In order to complete this she needs Physics in 11th and she will do Physics for engineering I/Physics for Engineering 2 in 12th. That leaves 10th grade. She will be in a CC computer science class during 10th but I think that’s more of an elective? She doesn’t really want to do chem... I can’t think of what else to have her do? 

  9. My daughter is interested in a career in design. Either fashion design and merchansising or in a digital/ 3d design. She is starting classes at our community college that offers a fashion design program and hopefully will complete it with an AS by the time she's a senior. Next year she is taking English, US History, Geometry, Spanish 2, 4 Fashion Design classes at the community college (2 each semester), Art, an online drafting class and will be continuing with her competitive dance team and piano. Her course load is already so heavy and I don't want to add on science. Next year she will not be taking spanish so science would be easier to fit in. Is this a bad idea? I'm worried about her changing her mind and needing additional science. I could also drop history and add in science? 

  10. I felt like something was up with them. I'm on a few charter pages on Facebook and they were recruiting people constantly. Someone had mentioned they were giving out money for referrals. Them and a couple other charters were also allowing families to use charter funds for Disneyland annual passes. I couldn't understand how they got away with that. 

  11. How are your twins with each other? My twins never leave each other, they sleep in the same bed, they are always in the same room. I've had trouble homeschooling them together because they distract each other but trying to separate them is hard. They will follow the other one or wait there until one is done. I've noticed when they talk about things it's often "we think" or "we like".  I do occasionally take one on errands and leave the other at home and they are fine when I do that. I'm just wondering if this is due to homeschool or just a twin thing, maybe an age thing they'll outgrow (they're 7)? Do you do anything to encourage individuality or do you encourage them to stick together?

  12. On 3/26/2019 at 8:29 PM, Lori D. said:

    As a side note: I also found that using different materials made ME a much better teacher, as I was seeing subjects (esp. things like Math and Writing) from more than one angle, and it was much easier for me to problem-solve and come up with new approaches and "go off script" of a program, as needed.



    This is me. I've used a variety of material for all subjects. It has really taught me how to teach different subjects. For example, in writing, I currently have IEW, WWS, LToW and Bravewriter along with several old free domain books on my google books app. I don't really use any of them completely but they are more of a springboard and reference to help me understand how to approach a certain type of writing I want to work on with my kids. I've bought them used, on homeschool buyers co-op or borrowed from friends. The longer I homeschool the more i realize the biggest difference comes from me, as the teacher or guide, having knowledge in what we are learning. Even my twins are in two different math books. One uses beast academy and the other is using right start. They are so different and one twin is really strong in math. I also try and focus on my goals in each subject with each child rather than worry what a particular book or curriculum says needs to be completed in a year. Sometimes a child wants to study different books, needs help in a different area or already really understands something and doesn't need additional help in that area. Each child is different and, as much as possible, I really want what we are studying to resonate with that particular child.

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  13. I haven't taken any of those three but I've been researching Mr. D and DO. From reviews and samples, it seems like DO is a bit more rigorous than Mr. D. I did like that Mr. D is live, although that is only once a week. Mr. D offers twice a week tutoring live online for students and he allows students to turn in a lesson 3x before the grade is final. His philosophy is he wants kids to master the concept and they won't master it if they just take a test or assignment and don't go back to understand why they've missed problems. DO has more classes available than Mr. D so if you want to stick with him you can go farther. We ended up going with Mr. D since my daughter is taking an online physics course at the same time and I didn't want to overwhelm her. If she wasn't taking the physics I probably would have chosen DO. She is interested in engineering so she will need strong math skills. There are really good reviews on the quality of instruction from both DO and Mr. D. 

  14. 10 hours ago, hollyhock2 said:

    The only things I've ever done are read out loud to them and buy a lot of books. I'm not sure what I can credit for why all my kids (so far) are readers, but those are the only things I consciously did.


    I do wonder if some kids are just readers and others are not. I have always hoped that my kids would share my love of books though and I've tried to gently encourage it without being forceful. We'll see if that works with my boys...

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  15. I wanted to start a thread to share ideas of how you've been able to foster a love of books in your home with your kids. 

    In our house: 

    I've allowed reading after bedtime. My kids have to be in bed by 8:00 but they can read as long as they want. 

    I don't monitor free reading books. They are free to choose whatever book they want as long as it isn't inappropriate. 

    We keep lots of good, quality books on our shelf. I find these books at thrift stores, library friends rooms, and garage sales. I'm always looking for books. Once they love reading they will start plowing through any book they find so even if they choose junk books from the library they will still end up reading the good books we have at home. 

    We read. My kids see DH and I read all the time. We also talk about books we are reading with the kids. 

    What else has worked for everyone else here? 

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  16. I don't monitor free reading and even our literatures studies are picked together. I've found if you can just create an atmosphere rich in books they end up reading so much they push themselves forward. What I've done is stock my home library with thrift store finds and we have a really good library of good books. Since my girls read so much even the books that they aren't super interested in get read when they run out of things to read. 

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  17. 5 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

    If she is finishing AoPS alg as a 7th grader, I would suggest skipping AP physics 1 and 2 and wait until she is ready and jump into physics again with AP C level/cal.  As to whether or not to count Clover Creek physics as high school physics, if she has it labeled as high school, then there is no reason not to if you want.

    I didn't realize I could skip Ap physics 1 and 2 and go straight to AP c. Thanks, that sounds like a good plan. 


  18. I have an upcoming 8th grader who really wants to take physics next year. She's finishing AoPs Algebra this year so I felt she was ready and signed her up for Clover Creek physics next year. She'll be taking geometry for math. Should I count the physics class as high school for her? I was thinking of maybe doing AP physics 9th or 10th grade? Any suggestions on what path to take for science and math after the 8th grade year? Thanks! 

  19. On 3/1/2019 at 9:08 AM, Doodlebug said:


    Yes, I think I'm asking the impossible of a forum.  I have no name for the model, other than *they* put the name "classical ed" on it.  It makes it impossible to communicate, and real life conversations with those who have experience with it wouldn't be wise, or likely productive.  


    So, I think I'm definitely missing something, and I know I'm hacking this all to bits as I attempt to communicate it.    

    When I say classical ed prefers antiquity, I mean that it is the place we reach back to for our definitions.  We then use those to recognize the present system working upon us.  And yes, precisely because culture is pervasive, and we can see ourselves and the things of culture in full view.  I'm tracking with you.

    It is the constant evaluation of philosophy and motive that I find exhausting.  As an artist, especially.  There's a tension classical education presents an artist with regard to time, presence, and the position we assume as evaluators of culture, as opposed to participators.  

    I don't know when I'll get back to this thread... a full weekend and week ahead!  But I do appreciate so much all the contributions and food for thought.    



    I don't think classical education is preferring antiquity. I think it's more of a rejection of modernist and in order to reject the modernist view of education you need to push back to an era before the modernist. There are specific points when our view on education began to change and certain idea's and philosophies began to be the dominating view. The change to a scientific approach to education and many trials and errors (Dewey and prior to that Unitarians and even Darwins views) a belief that we have no absolutes and many other turns throughout the last century that brought us to a place where education is completely unrecognizable compared to the 2 centuries before it. It is hard to really look at classical education due to the current Neo-Classical education that dominates. When you look to neo-classical education it has somewhat murky roots. Dorothy Sayers is who most companies point back to but there is also the great books movement and others who influenced the neo classical movement.  I believe some of them had the desire to bring us back to our roots but they somehow missed so many important parts of what classical education was. Trying to put classical education in a light that current, modern people will identify with and trying to add in modern pedagogy has created something that I feel really missed the mark or soul of classical education. I don't consider myself classical due to not studying greek and latin (well latin lasted 2 years but we've since dropped it) but there are so many aspects that I've learned in reading about classical education that I feel has changed our homeschool for the better. While facts do need to be taught and of course you can't debate something if you know nothing about it my focus isn't facts. Our focus is cultivating that child. At its root though I don't think this is possible without absolutes which makes bringing back classical education on a large scale impossible in today's era. In a homeschooling home though, we can somewhat attempt it. Teaching a child to see the truth through the propaganda, lies and poorly constructed arguments is possible. Understanding what true beauty is as opposed to the sparkly, inticing, greed filled beauty that is often put forth as beautiful. Understanding that beauty is not quantitative. Trying to understand the content of an argument or thought as opposed to the measurability of it. 

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  20. I think the problem is we aren't teaching the children how to learn, how to really dissect something and truly contemplate it. As a society most of us to a point understand it and they say that's what common core addresses but I really don't think it does. I still see schools teaching to the test, it's just a different test. The most success I've had in any subject when teaching is discussions and allowing my students to go down rabbit trails. Finding out what interest them and allowing them to explore. I have to get into the subjects with them and research to be able to hold these conversations. I need to know where to direct them when they hit a wall. That's where the master teacher comes in. And if I am stuck also I help them (teaching them) to research and find the information. Schools in today's era don't allow for this. Students used to have to go and research and find information and recite it in class where a teacher could correct the information. We spoon feed kids and wonder why they aren't thinking critically. There is too much on the standards, not enough room for true discoveries to happen. 

  21. I think that goes back to education as a science vs an art. We've tried to create an exact science to teaching and educating making ways that everyone can learn from a teacher that isn't necessarily a master at the subject they are teaching. Streaming the education process as if children were the next t model car. 

    Going back to what Mimm said about buckets. That's the issue I've had with ED Hirshs core knowledge series. The idea that there are specific facts in any subject that we can pin down a child will need as an adult is silly. We will never teach everything, they will lose much of what we do teach. I think this also stems from the scientific approach to education. What probability is it that the child will need xyz as an adult. 

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  22. "They need go to school to learn street smarts" I'm not sure what exact street smarts they were referring too. We live in a plain Jane middle class suburban neighborhood and I'm sure none of the kids here would stand a chance in a bad neighborhood on the street. I'm not sure it would be a good thing if they could either. 


    "It must be so nice to homeschool, sleep in all day, stay in your pjs" 

    Ummm ya that's what we do all day sleep and stay in our pjs.

  23. I think there's a few issues. Classical education, or the idea of, tends to atract some people for the snob appeal. A picture of Jr playing chess at oxford speaking in Latin. There are also more B&M classical schools opening which brings in common core and other regulations they have to deal with. It's also partially, in my opinion, due to a general shift if how people obtain information. People don't have the attention spans to read long (maybe slightly boring) books about ancient ways of teaching so they rely on what Sally told them at Starbucks. There is a lack of identity for classical education and it become whatever sounds good or appeals to the masses. Also I think curriculum companies realize to truly teach classically would require skill and knowledge beyond what most homeschoolers have so we have this prepackaged do all of this and you too can be Socrates type of curriculum. I also think there's a lot of people who feel they need to prove they are somehow beating the public schools or doing something better. Maybe partially due to the criticism that homeschoolers get. JMO...

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