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If you do that with a good reading list of both fiction and non-fiction, you can do a great literature based history. Don't let non-fiction intimidate you. There are many biographies/autobiographies that are very readable and enjoyable. They put the reader directly into the time period without the creative liberties of fiction. There are other non-fiction books about different regimes and time periods that are written in narrative style and very enjoyable too, yet again, more accurate than fiction. Add in plenty of fiction to keep the interest level up.
Where is the best place to get titles for great books like this? Sonlight didn't seem to do the job, at least for the time period we used (Sonlight H- world history 1 of 2)
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Thank you for the tips!
Blsd, you're right about having to stay on top of it. Maybe she will just always have a bad attitude and drag her feet regarding anything related to "school." That's why I went with SL, I thought she would enjoy that since she loves to read, but nope. Now here I am.
As for the modern world, I think it's nice to be loosely chronological. However, one of the reasons we only used bits of SOTW4 is that there are a few great narratives of the modern world and SOTW4 just jumped about telling us such disconnected bits. I did think that by age 9 or 10 or 11 when most kids get there, that they deserve a bit more. Anyway, if you're going to look at the Holocaust and Mao, I think you could present it as two different narratives about the modern world and make everything sort of fit around those two topics. So with Mao, you start with some background, read biographies, read about communism, then read some stuff about WWII in the Pacific (lots of children's books to choose from), then read something like Red Scarf Girl. Then you back up and go again with the Holocaust and again start with background, then something about the war in Europe in general, then historical fiction like Number the Stars or Maus or whatever level your kids are at, and follow that to the founding of Israel. And in those two topics you've potentially covered a number of "big issues" about the modern world.
Thank you for the suggestions! The more I think about it, the more I think Mao and Hitler would be really good time periods to study together.....
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Personally, I know this is not PC, but I do think weakness and strength has something to do with it in a sense. I have known people who are so stubborn, such fighters that I was sure they would make it through anything. They turn any negative into something to conquer and just see it as one more way to increase their strength.
I, OTOH, am nothing at all like that. I definitely consider myself weaker than these people and need to take safeguards in my life that they probably never will. I'm also sure these people see people like me as being weak, and that's okay. We are who we are.
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Haven't read any of the replies, and I don't know what I'd do if my child seemed really serious about becoming a different gender, that's not something we've experienced in the least. One of my boys is more feminine, and that's fine with us. He wore high heels and played with dolls when he was little, we didn't bat an eye (okay, maybe dh did). If they started talking about wanting to be a different gender on a regular basis or wanting us to call them a different gender's name? Not sure.
I will say I think Angelina has been grooming Shiloh for this since she was tiny. I have thought this for years, ever since I saw what outfits they dressed her in as a newborn. I still remember the People cover where they revealed her after she was born. They clearly have tried to masculinate her for a long, long time.
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I have an adult friend who was homeschooled this way. I've had to explain to her what a Blackfoot is, who Stalin was, and she knows absolutely nothing about Asia. I would use an encyclopedia to ensure all main topics are covered. Obviously no one had the perfect education, but her lack of knowledge in History is horrifying.
Thank you, I definitely don't want this to be the case! What is seen as one of the best overall reference books for history? I think in the elementary years it's A Child's History of the World, right? What about for the older years? I for sure will add "Lies My Teacher Told Me" to a book list...pretty sure that book taught me more about history than I ever learned or retained in school. But what else? Gah, there are just so many things to choose from. :(
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In my opinion, it is as important or more important for my high schooler to learn "how" to study History, as it is for them to learn what happened. If a kid is going to be prepared for college, they're going to need experience sustaining attention to and organizing information from a variety of types of texts, not just narratives.
Given that, while I think that living books can be a valuable part of a high school curriculum, I think that high schoolers also need experience with texts that aren't organized in a narrative structure, including original sources.
Good point. What do you use for high school history?
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Not fiction only....maybe a core text to refer back to with fiction as the rest?
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(c/p on the gen ed board, but I thought it'd be a good idea to ask here too. This daughter is going into 8th next year, so this would be something we'd switch into for the long haul....)
I haven't been around here in awhile, but I'm needing to come up with a new plan. I have a hard time making sure my older kids are staying on top of their history and science because there are so many different parts to keep track of (notebooking, experiments, timeline work, geography & mapwork, notes, etc) and honestly I'm not sure how much they're getting out of the extras, especially with history, because they're just seen as things they have to check off a list to be done for the day.
I purchased the entire year of Sonlight for my dd last year, but it was the same thing - she dragged her feet about it each day and I was constantly having to try to keep track of all the different things she had to do, and she ended up not even liking most of the books she read. :/ If she doesn't like Sonlight's suggestions, I'm not sure what to do. :tongue_smilie:
I am thinking of moving entirely to living books, mostly fiction, for history. Without all the extras. Is that possible? I have had her listen to SOTW 1 & 2 several times, not sure how much she got out of that either. But she loves good stories (just not Sonlight's suggestions, apparently). This is daunting because I'm not sure where to start or if this is even a good idea - I guess I should look at TOG and AO's book suggestions and try to group them by subject? But is it bad if I don't do things chronologically? For starters I want her to study China under Mao and the start of communism there, I also want her to study the Holocaust because I think those will be really gripping for her. But should I go back and try to start in order, or only do one continent at a time, or what? She is so sick of the ancients, we did that for a couple years in a row. :/
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I haven't been around here in awhile, but I'm needing to come up with a new plan. I have a hard time making sure my older kids are staying on top of their history and science because there are so many different parts to keep track of (notebooking, experiments, timeline work, geography & mapwork, notes, etc) and honestly I'm not sure how much they're getting out of the extras, especially with history, because they're just seen as things they have to check off a list to be done for the day.
I purchased the entire year of Sonlight for my dd last year, but it was the same thing - she dragged her feet about it each day and I was constantly having to try to keep track of all the different things she had to do, and she ended up not even liking most of the books she read. :/ If she doesn't like Sonlight's suggestions, I'm not sure what to do. :tongue_smilie:
I am thinking of moving entirely to living books, mostly fiction, for history. Without all the extras. Is that possible? I have had her listen to SOTW 1 & 2 several times, not sure how much she got out of that either. But she loves good stories (just not Sonlight's suggestions, apparently). This is daunting because I'm not sure where to start or if this is even a good idea - I guess I should look at TOG and AO's book suggestions and try to group them by subject? But is it bad if I don't do things chronologically? For starters I want her to study China under Mao and the start of communism there, I also want her to study the Holocaust because I think those will be really gripping for her. But should I go back and try to start in order, or only do one continent at a time, or what? She is so sick of the ancients, we did that for a couple years in a row. :/
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Thank you for the suggestions!
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I have tried to keep up with "eclectic/CM" approach but it is no longer working. I am discouraged and needing to figure out a different way of doing things now that I have more kids to educate (my littles are getting older). I need to scrap my ideals and just go to what is going to get done. :closedeyes:
I tried Sonlight this year for history, spent so much time piecing it together (to save money instead of buying a core), and my book-loving, literature-adoring daughter wanted nothing to do with it because it was "school." :glare:
She does do really well with CLE light units, so I am thinking of adding in more of that approach into more subjects than just math. Honestly, even R&S English was a stretch for her because it required the text book, the work book, the tests, and further assignments written in her journal. That was just too much to keep track of for 1 subject. She has ADD and so do I, and that is also why I'm thinking a strictly open-and-go workbook approach will work best.
What have you tried and loved in a workbook or DVD, open-and-go approach for Language Arts, SS/history, and science?
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So, were all the TABLES 12" apart? :glare: Gosh, can't imagine all the hormones flying if a boy and a girl were sitting back-to-back at different tables with less than 12" between them. And I'm SURE it would be the girl's fault for sitting so close to a boy she can't even see. :cursing:
Why not just have a guys-only and a girls-only event?
See, this is what I don't understand...the disconnect in thinking that boys and girls can't be together at all without thinking of sex and being unable to control themselves (hahaha, so ridiculous, right, teens are so much more than sex), and the admission made, that many agreed with, that they all probably left and had sex somewhere, and that thinking of sex no matter what is perfectly normal for a teen.
Further, another source seconded that at least one dad (working security) was directly involved in asking her to leave.
Because of her clothing? Or the fact that she was yelling/screaming/throwing a total fit? It would make sense that a guy working security would get involved in that situation, right?
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Can you link the article? The ones I saw did not have comments from anyone "directly involved", just those who were there and said they "know" what happened. Two very, very different things.
I'm confused by this statement. Which article it commenter made the statement that none if the dads looked towards Claire? Of is it that an observer claims to have heard every word that Mrs D said, in order to assert that Mrs D said nothing about the dads?
It would have to be both, I think, in order for anyone to actually asset that no dads at all had any part in the incident whatsoever.
It is very difficult to prove a negative, especially a two part negative that involves disproving concrete ideas like 1. Male chaperones looked at me. And 2. Mrs D told me (at a dance!) that one it more male chaperones 'complained'.
Have these two claims indeed been credibly refuted anywhere?
Has it been credibly established she is telling the whole truth?
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Yes, there would be something very wrong with the feeling of shame in that situation: even if it was the truth of some hypothetical situation where person A intentionally slandered person B.
In this case, I don't see any hint if intentional slander... Though I do believe that Claire probably misread the dads' motives, or that Mrs D conveyed their sentiments badly.
The crossed wire seems to be between a man thinking/saying, "The young woman is being inappropriately and openly sensual for this context." And the possible interpretation -- that he came to that conclusion in a direct manner by feeling a sense of arrousal and attraction, personally, in response to her.
While I can see that that's a somewhat logical connection, I think it is inaccurate. Here's why: I (a hetero woman) can tell when another woman is behaving with open sensually -- without perceiving it directly or finding myself arroused by her.
Or, like a previous article (or a comment on an article by another person or persons who were directly involved) mentioned, it wasn't the dads at all.
I was referencing the complete and utter lack of logic you used in reaching your conclusions while you accused the rest of us for doing the same.
Right.
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Best remove the plank from your own eye first.
And what is said plank? That I said "if this is true..." and came to a semi-conclusion of a girl based on her own words? Are we not supposed to come to conclusions about people based on their own words? If that is done anywhere, it's certainly done here.
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There's that shame thing again...it's so old and tired.
There's nothing wrong with feeling shame when you ruin people's reputations and experiences with your own misguided rebellion and need for attention. Or the tons of other stupid things people do.
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Wait...didn't you just accuse the rest of us of not having critical thinking skills?
Show me how any of the (dozens? more?) comments about the stupid, pervy, patriarchal dads and this poor, victimized girl showed any hint of critical thinking.
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Yeah, I thought there might be more to this story.
Here is just one comment:
I have decided to send you a note regarding Clare's prom. I wanted to tell you that I helped plan the decorations for it, and therefore, became quite close with the two women director’s during the process. I also was blessed to get to know their families.
I found out right after Clare left the prom that there had been a problem. The director said that a woman, not man, had seen Clare behaving inappropriately during a dance. Security from the balcony (a man) was contacted to come and ask her to step outside.
From what I gathered that night, Clare would not allow anyone else to speak. She became extremely argumentative and belligerent. Although they had ongoing concerns about Clare's dress, her behavior in the hall became the reason she was finally asked to leave.
Once Clare's statements were posted in a blog, unknown people began writing on the Richmond Prom Homeschool Facebook page calling the fathers helping in security, perverts, pedophiles, etc. Ultimately, the directors had to close down the Facebook page.
I remember the director being genuinely disappointed that even one student had to be confronted. There were over 500 students there who didn't have any problems. Both local and national media have now contacted the head director repeatedly. Her husband was part of security and has now been labeled as a pedophile.
I am deeply saddened for the wonderful husbands who were called perverts, pedophiles, fundamentalists, and other terms.
But most of all, I am sad for the two women in charge--caring football moms--who took over the prom this year to help raise money for the Disciple’s Football team.
My words:
There are several more comments from those who were there making comments about Clare's behavior. I think she came in with an agenda and got it. It had very little to do with her dress, but she chose something "on the edge" of the dress code.....not sure if that was an attention getter or not, but then she made waves and that did get attention. I see no one by Clare accusing the dads of being inappropriate.
I don't have time to read the rest of the comments, but there appear to be several others saying she came in with an attitude.
How awful! If this is true, she should be ashamed of herself!
It's pretty obvious she came in with guns blazing, just from her own words, so I wouldn't doubt this at all. 500 kids, she's the only one who had a problem the entire night? Please.
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I do find it interesting that on a board that so highly prizes teaching our children logic and critical thinking, everyone immediately believed the girl's POV and jumped right on her bandwagon. There have already been other articles that have come out disproving her experience.
Also, several comments have said boys/men are so much more than lustful sex machines! They make things like telescopes and build roads and stuff! It's impossible for them to always be thinking of sex, and anyone who thinks they always think of sex needs their head examined !! Then other comments that say things like "of course teens are going to always be thinking of sex, no matter what is worn! That's what teens do! It's healthy and normal for teens to always be thinking of sex!"
So which is it?
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Oh no! You're spoiling my fantasy here. I've really been hoping that I will suddenly become super productive once I am not online. I guess that I'll just have to see for myself. :001_smile:
But you went cold turkey offline for 9 months!? That's amazing.
Yes. I still did sneak away on my laptop to the coffee shop a couple times a week, but it was nothing like having the internet in the house.
Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories of that time. I DID spend more time doing stuff with my kids that I wouldn't have otherwise, and being more productive. But it's not like I gained a different personality or anything, where I suddenly started caring about being productive in every area of my life, lol.
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I have similar problems, but it's me. If all internet was removed from my grasp, I would revert to excessive fiction reading, tv watching, cross-stitching, and talk radio listening. Those were my preferred time-wasters back before I had unlimited high-speed internet.
This is what I found when we went cold turkey offline for about 9 months. I just read books voraciously. I guess that's less socially unacceptable than sitting in front of a screen? But either way, I did not suddenly become a super productive different person.
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OP, I have tried to figure out the same thing about myself for years. Do I have Aspergers? Do I hate staying at home? Am I just that lazy? Am I addicted?
Yes, yes, yes. When we are on a family vacation or I am teaching or whatever, I don't miss the internet at all. But once I get home and it is just me and the kids for hours and hours and hours... Here I am... I still get things done. But honestly, it would only take 3 hours perhaps of my working to get things done, which leaves 8 hours for the internet at least. Not good.
This is how I am. If we are out doing things, on a trip, etc., I don't even think about the internet at all. That's why I hesitate to call it an addiction. I think of an addiction as something you crave and just can't leave behind- no matter where or what you're doing.
But when we're just here at home, I spend way too much time online. And my kids get a lot of time online too. I do think we have good parameters- the kids have to have their schoolwork and chores done, they cannot be private with what they're doing online as we have no iPads, kindle internet connection, smart phones, or anything like that. The only access to the internet we have is through our desktops or Wii on our TV, they are all here in the same room, and we're pretty much always in this room together.
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((((Rosie)))) I wish we could say or do something to ease your burden right now. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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I don't know quite how to put this: I'd worry very much about the future - job loss, retirement savings, college expenses. We are still coping with the aftermath of unemployment and it hasn't been easy. And we only have two children. How do you cope with the worry?
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I worry. I do. I have found that everyone worries, though. I grew up in a house that was absolutely rife with anxiety and worry, and I was my parents' only child. My parents still worry horribly, and my dh's parents worry. Neither has kids in the house anymore. I find comfort in the fact that when my children get older, they will be able to help out and contribute in many ways. Much of our decision to have a large family is related to our faith, though, and the way we want our family to be. We're not raising our kids the way most people do now.
Are you an introvert or an extrovert? If you're an introvert, how does that work?
I used to be very extroverted, but consider myself an introvert now. I think my kids sucked out any extroversion I had. lol I take breaks to my room to nap or read when dh gets home, or I have hired a mother's helper. I was going to do something productive while she was here, but I never do. I just retreat to my room and sleep or read.
History ONLY through living books?
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Your plan looks great! My dd is almost 13 (in a few days), she is in 7th this year.
Right now I ordered a bunch of books about China and the Holocaust from the library, mostly fiction. We will then watch some movies - Life is Beautiful, Pearl Harbor, and Schindler's List to be specific. I think that will be a good start, er, end to this year. But a good start to her hopefully loving history.