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Can anyone here direct me to a Lego Globe Theater pattern? My son has a project for CC Ch 1 for Taming of the Shrew due at the end of the semester. We have tons of Lego’s and I’ve seen pictures all over the internet of them but it would be nice if there is are any instructions from someone that has built one before. Thanks!
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I’m wondering if anyone here can suggest a history book or series that is neutral/balanced toward history when it comes to Catholicism and Protestantism. I’m currently on the fence where I stand when it comes to Christianity and would really like a history that would teach both sides. I’m no longer a strict Sola Scriptura proponent. I want to teach my highschooler from a stance that he sees both sides as they both had their problems. Catch Duffy suggests a new series called the Catholic Textbook Project and Memoria Press has the Dorothy Mills history series which both look interesting. Just not sure where to go from here. I appreciate the help!
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We just finished Blue Book Exams for Classical Conversations Challenge A today. Yikes. I’m disappointed at the results of a whole year of school. I have waffled back and forth about continuing Challenge for my son all year. The pace of the program is mostly what has killed us. The learning also just seems surface level with not much understanding. My son has really struggled with the LTW program and the Henle Latin because of how fast they move through it.🤯 I joined CC primarily so he could have social interaction with kids his age. My son is very social but has not made any deep friendships to make us want to return. I’ve tried and tried to get the families together but with little success. Unless you are a tutor/director, you just can’t get the attention needed to develop deep relationships. He actually likes going to class but just because it gets him out of the house. He loved the Fallacy Detective though! I just don’t know where to go from here. Are there other families out there that have moved away from CC after Challenge A? What did you move to and did your child do better? Are there some things that you have found that CC does better than other programs such as debate (coming up in Ch B)? I feel as if I’m leaving a cult and don’t know what to do! Funny thing is, I’ve homeschooled outside of CC with my older son AND graduated him but it’s been so long that I’m feeling overwhelmed about leaving even though I feel that it’s what we need to do. I could really use input here. Thanks!
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Are there any history resources out there that present both views on Catholic history and Protestant history? I am frustrated at how the homeschool community is primarily Protestant (at least that's what I am finding) curriculum. There were two differing views on the Protestant Reformation and I'd like to present this information in way that it can create discussion.
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Hello all! As I am getting ready to transition my son from CC to homeschooling without an umbrella, I am in need of some advice as to where I can go from here in regards to writing. CC uses The Lost Tools of Writing and as much as I like the ANI chart idea, the program itself is kind of confusing to use. I read on the Cathy Duffy reviews site that it's really meant to be used in a classroom setting which I'm seeing is accurate. We have completed a couple years of IEW theme based writing courses through the CC Essentials program also. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I can go from here? We've only been using LTW for a few months and honestly, because of the ridiculous pace of CC, we really haven't had much luck actually getting to the writing portion of the papers. We've only gotten as far as the outline. Thanks so much!
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I realize this may be a bit late to reply but I thought I'd reply just in case. My 7th grader has been struggling to catch up in math for some time. Because of this, I was looking in to the Saxon D.I.V.E. program and saw the parent resources they suggested reading through. Reading through their info, I found that as long as the student is 12 yo/ 7th grade, there is no need to put the student in a lower book (in a nutshell). So, I ordered the Saxon 8/7 math along with the D.I.V.E. streaming and so far it's been a great program. We DO NOT complete one lesson a day. D.I.V.E suggests taking as long as 3 days to complete a lesson if needed. My son Is definitely challenged but it's not so hard that he can't do it. Saxon 8/7 used to be a remedial math before going in to Algebra. Now Saxon has Saxon 1/2 which you can go to AFTER the 8/7 or depending on how well 8/7 was completed, you can go straight to Algebra 1. I'll be honest. I used to be one of those homeschool moms that hate Saxon. After going through so many curriculum (Teaching Textbooks, Math- U-See, Right Start, etc) choices I was at my wits end and I guess I was desperate. My son still isn't in love with Saxon but oh well. I can at least say that I feel that he is learning at a pace that pushes him to think harder and not just dawdle and float. Here's the D.I.V.E site if you are interested: https://diveintomath.com/saxon-math/ . Hope this helps!
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On 9/30/2019 at 4:31 AM, Another Lynn said:
Two of my 5 kids did Challenge A. It was a good fit for one (but SO much work!) and an okay-ish fit for the other. For him, we dropped Latin by 2nd semester and did some English grammar review instead. The peer/friend group was really good for both of them, but we eventually found that somewhere else (as well as keeping in touch with CC friends). If your dc is unhappy or struggling, I would not hesitate to pull him out. There are so many things you can do for 7th grade and it's fine. There's no need to bang your head against a wall for a whole year or even a whole semester. If you need outside accountability, why not try a mix of outsourcing and classes at home. Do you have other outsourcing options locally? If not, try a 1 semester online class in the spring (take a look at Well Trained Mind Academy). Or find an online self-paced option for a class if it's too late to enroll in a live class. But don't put everything online. Mix it up a little. You know the hive is always glad to give suggestions if you need planning help!!! There's nothing wrong with cutting back to the 3 Rs and going interest led on history and science!
English Grammar definitely needs to be reviewed. What did you use for this?
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On 6/28/2019 at 10:03 AM, Forgiven said:
Your concerns sound like the some of the reasons we stopped doing Classical Conversations. It is way too rushed, they don't focus enough on math, so most of the kids put it to the side and fall way behind, and I truly don't believe all the tutors (directors for Challenge levels) are properly equipped to be leading the classes.
My DD did CH A, B, and 1. It was CH1 that broke us. We left, and are so glad we did. We get so much more done now, and we are free to do it at our own pace. My kids actually have the time to think about what they're learning instead of stuffing and cramming just so they can be a part of the the conversations on community day. It really was a waste of time and money, and I wish we never went down that road. 😞
All three of my kids are challenge age this year. My DS1 did CHA in a community. He does so much better on his own. He hated doing his work when he knew he had to go to a class and talk about it with his peers, who, unfortunately were all elitists. That was a vibe I was so glad to get away from -- the elitists. Sorry, I digress...
All that to say, your concerns are legitimate. 😉
Thank you for sharing - seriously. Please pray for me.
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On 6/22/2019 at 4:05 PM, staceyobu said:
Challenge A was a horrible fit for us. One of my biggest regrets is not withdrawing at semester. The Latin went WAY too fast. The writing was tedious. The geography and science was a ton of drawing and my daughter hated it (and she loves to draw for fun). We fell way behind in math because they didn't do anything with it in class, so I kept pushing it aside to try to stay on top of the rest of her work. I felt like we lost an entire school year, accomplished nothing, and killed my daughter's love for learning. Granted, part of the misery could have been the general misery of 7th grade and entering the teenage years, but I would never recommend the program.
We had previously completed four years of Foundations/Essentials. So, my daughter did have a background on how CC works going into Challenge A. There were things I disliked about the lower levels, but I generally felt the pros outweighed the cons. I'm hard pressed to find any pros to challenge.
This is part of my struggle as well. Every week I want to withdraw but then I Wonder if that would be the best solution.
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On 9/28/2019 at 3:58 PM, forty-two said:
So he gets the sounds right, but the spellings wrong?
If his ears are good (getting all the sounds right) but his visual memory is bad (picking the wrong spelling for the sounds), SYS isn't a bad choice. From Level C upward its focus is on improving visual memory of words. I especially like its color-coded marking system. It might be insufficient, though.
Why do you think SYS might not be the best choice for him? Is he balking at it, or doing badly on the dictations, or doing well on the dictations but with no noticeable improvement in his regular writing? WRT doing badly in dictation, fwiw, it's taken both of my dds five or six weeks in SYS before they started showing improvement on them.
Or do you think he might do better with a more systematic program, one that explicitly explains some of the hows and whys of spelling?
I have him in SYS book E and he seems to be bored with the repetition. He’s doing excellent on the dictations. I’m wondering if we should go to a Word Roots program instead - something like The Critical Thinking Company’s “Word Roots 1”. To be honest, it’s a LOT of extra writing and as much as context helps, it’s just extra work for him. We are in CC Challenge A this year and it’s intense. Even though it’s intense, it’s a very good program but I need to scale so I can add in study for his weak spots. I also have Spelling Plus but haven’t quite figured out how the program is supposed to work. It seems complicated.
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On 9/24/2019 at 11:29 AM, forty-two said:
....What kinds of mistakes is he making? Mistakes in spelling by sound, such as dropping sounds, adding sounds, mixing up the order of sounds, mistaking one sound for another? Mistakes in applying phonics knowledge, so that he can correctly break the words into phonemes, but then chooses a spelling that is never used with that phoneme? Mistakes in spelling by sight, namely choosing a phonogram that *does* spell that sound in general, but isn't the phonogram used in this word, such as "braik" for break/brake. Mistakes in long, multi-syllable words? .....
He makes mistakes in the spellings of sounds. So yes, mistakes like “Braik” for break/brake.
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My 12 yo son needs a good spelling program. I have chosen Spelling You See but I’m not sure if it’s the best choice for him. We are in Classical Conversations Challenge A so a program that is not simple and short will not work for us. He’s not a terrible speller. He has learned a lot of spelling simply by copying however I’m seeing that he needs better spelling instruction. I appreciate your thoughts!
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We have been participating in Classical Conversations Foundations and Essentials for the past couple years. I initially decided to enroll my 12 yo son in Challenge A for next year but I'm having second thoughts. I'm not new to homeschooling and so having someone tell me the topics to cover are kind of irritating. As I look in to their choices of curriculum for CH A, I'm somewhat ok with what he'd be using but I almost want to wait one more year and use IEW before we start Lost Tools of Writing. I'm also wondering why they start using Henle Latin so early when it's a high school course. My biggest issue is with the lack of history study at this age. I know many CC Challenge moms that say they get plenty of history but it's through historical fiction and their Cartography book. There is no formal study using non-fictional sources. I want to add that in to the program but I'm told that with their workload thee is no time. My second largest concern is the price of joining. I've already paid my registration fee but I'd rather stop there and save the $600+ per semester. I just can't see why anyone would pay so much money just to be part of a community 🤷♀️ From what I understand, the parent works with the Challenge student at home and then drops the student off just to go over the previous week's work and do some review. I also can't understand why it's 30 weeks instead of 36 weeks. The program just seems so stinking' rushed and I don't understand the reason why it has to be this way.
So, with all that said, I am wondering if there are any like minded parents here that have struggled with this very thing and have chosen to go a different route? What curriculum did you find that followed up well with the Essentials program? Did you just use the CH A materials at home? How did the transition make homeschooling more relaxed at home? TIA!
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I have access to both Notgrass From Adam to Us and Homeschool in the Woods Project Passport: Ancient Egypt. My son is in 6th grade and I’d like to know opinions on both curricula. I’m so torn that I need help choosing. For those that have used either, please let me know your pros and cons. I realize that there is a lot of printing and cutting with PP but I’d like more info beyond that if possible.
How is the history? Interesting or dry? How much time does it honestly take you to complete? Does it seem rushed? Is it easy or hard to teach? Etc. We start school next week! ?♀️
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We used IEW's Fix it! grammar for a short amount of time before going in to CC Essentials. It was too much writing since we were also using the IEW Student Writing Intensive A. I wouldn't say he necessarily enjoyed it, but he also didn't complain much. I totally support your decision to stay away from the Essentials program. We are leaving after one year of incredible stress and expense. I am currently on the fence about moving to Easy Grammar (or) Rod & Staff. I've used both and I like both, however Easy Grammar has no diagramming sentences and R&S does. I used to think that it was a waste of time to diagram sentences but after reading "The War Against Grammar" I am not so sure. By diagramming sentences, our kids learn what the point of the sentence is all about. I think that by underlining and circling words in other programs, the kids get the gist of the sentence but not the true understanding. It's a visual thing I guess.
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I just purchased Science in the Beginning because it covers all the days of creation (similar to the sequencing in the Apologia Young Explorers series) but it's in one book. My son hasn't had much formal science and so I thought that it may help him get "caught up" so we can move in to middle school science next year at 7th grade. Have you used the first book in the series "Science in the Beginning"?
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On 8/7/2018 at 4:12 AM, Another Lynn said:
I'm not super experienced with R&S, but I believe grade 5 is usually the entry point for an older student without previous grammar instruction, so I think he'd be fine in grade 5 or 6. Definitely don't put him back in grade 4.
Thank you Lynn! Do you have any experience with Easy Grammar?
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We have decided to leave Classical Conversations and go back to homeschooling on our own this next school year. My son is 11, going in to 6th grade and has completed one year of the CC Essentials program. We actively participated and he did well for the most part, however the rush of the program stresses both of us. I am looking to use Rod & Staff English but having a hard time figuring out which book to choose. Do I choose book 4, 5 or 6 after using CC's Essentials of the English Language? Can anyone here help me?
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I think we all feel this way towards the end of the school year. I came from using Sonlight and have often thought of scrapping CC and going back. What has made me decide to stay is that I evaluate what we have learned in CC vs the effort I have to put forth in using Sonlight (or any other curriculum). I never have time to complete what is in the teachers guides. With CC, all we have to do is gather books from the library (book basket) and go through our weekly memory work. There are lots of extras you could add to get that MFW feeling in CC. Just check out CC Connected and halfahundredacrewood.com . If you are missing MFW, all you have to do is have the kids notebook and do a few projects on the side. You can use the same books they sell while staying on track with CC. There is no need to buy the curriculum set and add the stress of an additional teachers guide. One thing that has been easy to add for history is the SOTW audio cds. The kids love the activity guides!
I have looked and looked for a good alternative to Essentials and I just can’t find one. Essentials work is rushed, but if you go to a traditional English grammar course, after being in Essentials, it is difficult to slow down and do the course work. I tried and then decided “ain’t nobody got time for that!” Besides, we’ve put so much time and effort in to the Essentials program. I have a friend that is an author and took Latin in highschool. She placed her boys in Essentials this year and told me that the way that CC teaches English grammar is an excellent preparation to learning Latin. She actually told me that she wishes her school had taught her the way the CC Essentials program teaches grammar. She did however say that some of the writing taught in IEW is not necessarily what an editor would accept. I think it’s just a way to get kids writing easily without tears. In Challenge, CC changes to a different curriculum so I’m not all that concerned. IEW works for my son for now.
For science, there is an excellent curriculum for older grammar stage kids called God’s Design by Answers in Genesis. You can purchase 1 topic at a time and correlate it to the science portion of CC. We used it this year and my son so far really likes it. It’s not long winded and has short chapters. I actually think CC should team up with AIG for this additional resource like they do with SOTW. All this is extra though. The kids can just notebook using their CC science cards just as easily and read books from the library.
The freedom you get to choose in CC for the most part is great. It is rushed, but if you look back to your childhood, most things you remember are the songs and chants that we learned in those early years.
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We get our social time, electives, and some core classes through a different, cheaper co-op that we have some say in planning. I help run it, and could honestly ditch the co-op and just do the science and latin with 1-2 families at this point for the educational aspects, and then just keep up the homeschool support group side (not the co-op side of our group,) which would give us social opportunities and field trips. But my kids would revolt if we dropped our co-op at this point.
I would start a group with other families, even if it was just getting together one morning a week for the things you want to do together, on a different day of the week. It could be something you want to keep from the CC or something different like art or a modern foreign language or a park day or field trip day in your case if there truly isn't another co-op available. A close relationship with another family or two, plus other outside activities like sports or 4H or community things they are into.
I would ask the same thing. I have not done CC because every time I want to like it, I just find it too rigid. The philosophy doesn't completely align with mine, not to mention the cost. I've officially given up on considering it to be a good fit for us. I can purchase the memory cd's if I want them. But I am looking for some co-op classes to participate in next year. We are blessed to have several choices. I need it to outsource science and a few electives in jr. high. The social benefits are secondary to me.
What is your goal with a co-op? If it's social interaction, is there a park day or local homeschool group you could join for fun things like field trips? If it's academic content, check out some online courses that may be a good fit.
Do you need a co-op? Or said differently, what do you need a co-op to do for you - social interaction? Mom support? academic goals? We have been a CC family, and I have felt some of your same frustrations at times. We're finally at a point where we are busy enough and have enough established friendships (many formed through CC!), that we don't need Foundations and Essentials anymore. (As far as Challenge goes, in our experience, it has been a good fit for some kids and not for others, so we decide on an individual basis whether to use it or not and for how long.)
I only have 1 other option for a co-op in my area. In the past, we were members of it. However it got to the point that the classes that were being offered amounted to under-water basket weaving and I just couldn't devote an entire school day to such classes. I wanted more academic support. I wonder if CC could work as a co-op scenario with us doing our own thing during the rest of the week???
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I have two kids in Challenge, and it’s been great for them. That being said, if you’re not sold on the program or it’s philosophy, do something else.
CC published the info on test scores to show that the program can be good for kids. That does not mean it is the only way to get good test scores as there are obviously plenty of kids who aren’t in CC who get great scores. That also doesn’t mean every CC student gets good scores.
If you like Foundations, but not essentials, you can drop Essentials. Or if there are portions of Essentials you like and others you don’t, you can adjust the stuff you don’t like.
I guess I don’t see where you’re caught between a rock and a hard place. I did 3 years of Foundations with my kids, then decided we’d do other things. My 5 younger kids aren’t in the program.
My Challenge kids haven’t done and likely won’t do all Challenge levels. It’s perfectly okay to do only portions of the program or even drop it all together if it’s not meeting your needs.
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The rock and hard place I'm referring to is the lack of co-op options.
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I understand that the first year is a lot and we are supposed to go through 2 more cycles. However, my husband and I feel that the EEL is over the top. I am tempted to audit the EEL portion and work through Easy Grammar or Rod & Staff for English grammar study. I actually went through Essentials tutor training this last summer because I offered to be the sub but I ended up backing out after training because this system overwhelms me. I have used IEW before but we used the SWI-A and it went at a much slower pace and was enjoyable. I don't feel that I should have to scribe for him so much. It only puts more on me as the parent. I'd rather he do the easier IEW until he is ready for the other level. Why is it that we have to be fire hosed? Why can't CC structure the program so it's doable for first year families? All these are my thoughts right now. I know that so many reviews of CC on here can be negative but I am also looking for real life experience without the CC filters that happen elsewhere IYKWIM.
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This board is pretty anti-CC, so keep that in mind.
I'm an Essentials tutor. The first year of Essentials can be rough. There are a couple of analogies that we use - like drinking from a fire hose or throwing a pot of spaghetti at the wall - to explain how we throw everything at you but know you won't get it all. That's okay. If you stick with it, you'll get more next year.
This is what I suggest for 1st years:
Charts - Spend a max of 15 minutes a day on charts. Chart work doesn't have to be actually copying charts. Cut them up and use them as puzzles. Get creative. The idea is to just get him familiar with them.
Task Sheet - He should only be doing the standard sentences and only up to the diagramming part (step 4). Skip the advanced ones. If you're doing the Quid et Quo, don't. It shouldn't have been introduced yet. That comes at the end of the year. When my daughter was a first tour student, we did them together on the board.
Editing Excercises - They are totally optional. We've never done them.
IEW - Scribe for him, and don't forget that you can't help him too much.
Math - We don't add in any of it. If she has extra time, she'll play boardwalk. If not, she just doesn't. We don't work on additional fact memorization, either.
Foundations - We use another Social Studies program in addition to memory work. It's pretty nice that most 5th grade social studies curricula is focused on US History. Works great for cycle 3. You can go that route, or you can check out books at the library each week to coincide to the new grammar work.
Test Scores - There's a pretty long thread where I posted about them. Long story short, they're not insinuating that CC students have the best scores, although I'm sure there are some CC parents who believe that. However, the only things that they claim is that CC students score well on standardized tests, and that they score higher than average students. Those statistics could be written to show a variety of things. The main takeaway is that the graduates are successful. It's certainly not the only way, though.
As for not sticking with it, I get it. Challenge A & B look amazing, but I'm not sure we'll stick with it, either. CC is great, but it's not the only option out there. Do whatever is right for you.
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I need to rant a bit here. Maybe you can help me process?? We jumped back in to Classical Conversations almost a year ago (week 12 of cycle 2) and joined a new group that started in my home town this school year for cycle 3. The Foundations program that I loved so much last year seems to me to be lacking in depth of information this year. I feel as if I need to add more depth to the memory work for my 5th grader but with the load that we are taking on with Essentials, where does one find the time? Also, my husband was looking through the EEL work we have been doing and thinks that the workload is absolutely ridiculous, especially for a 5th grade boy. IEW seems to be a good program for writing and the math drill seems that it is good but I just don't know how much more of this speeding through like a freight train I can take! It's only week 5! I am not sure we will continue with CC next year but we may have no other choice due to a lack of co-op options/homeschool support groups that are academically rich for my son's age. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you solve it? I know that the program is to prepare for the Challenge program but to be honest I'm not sure I agree or am sold on their philosophy. CC states that their Challenge students graduate with higher scores (insinuating that others don't) however my oldest son is now a junior in college and did not have a CC/Classical education and is doing well at his private college. I feel as if I'm in between a rock and a hard place. What does one do when feeling this way???
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We have finished up our time with Classical Conversations Challenge program this past school year. My son experienced extreme anxiety due to the rush of the Challenge 1 program and what is expected in 30 weeks versus a regular 36 week school year. Now I'm having anxiety trying figure out where to go from here. He has always wanted more of an actual history course as CC doesn't cover that until Challenge 3 & 4 (11th & 12th grade). I just want a more comfortable pace and less stress this year but I am feeling the pressure of getting things covered because he is 16 and we only have a couple of years left and there seems like we have so much to cover! I want to teach classically but I need hand holding which is why I stayed with CC for as long as I did. I also dont want to just throw aside all that we have learned just to go back to a traditional textbook method. Should I stay the course and find a used Challenge 2 guide to just work through at home without community? Is that an awful idea? I would love some feedback and ideas to chew on. TIA!