Weren't we just talking about reliable sourcing?

Well, as someone prone to sarcasm in normal speech much less on the internet, and has no ill will towards anyone here despite that propensity, AND as difficult as it is to read tone in a post, I still find the idea of grown women policing each other's tone and telling them to "consider it" because we are all so intelligent and well-intentioned a bit...silly? Weird? Stepford-ish? There are a ton of posters here who are blunt or direct or use what I consider to be borderline rude or intentionally inflammatory language, but maybe they don't see it that way, or maybe they do, but I don't feel compelled to tell other adults on the internet to consider their tone, lol.

The doctor already clarified his statement? Thankfully he spawned some amazing conspiracy theories before doing so. I mean, you could put the dr's statement against the time we all saw him get on the helicopter and figure out the error. But I'm sure it's more likely that a WH that leaks like Swiss cheese was able to keep a positive test on POTUS under wraps for more than 24hrs, lol.

Sorry, just to clarify...you're waiting for eradication to resume in-person activities that are, for lack of better word, extra curricular?

Do you have any kind of quantifiable metrics of spread/positivity/hospital usage where you personally would feel comfortable doing the some things you would like to have back? I'm asking just to get an idea from someone who is being more careful than most people I know anywhere, not to pick on you.

I really don't know what this means in the context of a discussion board, though, where we might have two or more groups of "kind, well-intentioned, intelligent women" disagreeing on what is sensitive or insensitive, or right or wrong. I found Bagels' initial posts on this thread extremely helpful to me as someone who is sensitive and anxious about covid news. But she did take others comments to heart who read her as insensitive and decided to leave because of that, so, yay? This just seems a very weird obligation to put on people on a internet discussion board, aside from someone throwing actual personal insults or something. This is, I think, what results in people feeling piled on- if a group of people here are saying something, then the one must be compelled to change their mind or their tone or whatever, according to this. That's groupthink and peer pressuring all rolled up into a nice package of well-intentioned, intelligent women. How could anyone possible disagree with a group like that??

There were, as I'm reading on Twitter, a lot of indoor events held for the nomination as well that weren't as publicized.

I haven't heard much about it, but didn't VA Gov. Northam and his wife just get diagnosed? I honestly don't think the virus respects ideological or political boundaries.

I didn't get that at all from that post, despite you saying it's really clear, so...there ya go. She was praying that they have mild cases, which to me implies that she knew they could have something other than that. The lack of worry seems to apply to the stated fact that they will get the best medical care ASAP. And the unstated fact that Bagels has a lot going on in her life so may be not worrying over much about things like this that she cannot control. But anyway. I'm don't think that her statement is about the virus, the world over, being no big deal, which seems to be a really uncharitable reading. I'm not defending her as she's not here any more, just saying how it could be less clear than what you have solidified in your mind as super clear that the virus is no big deal for those over 70. Because I read it totally differently.

I think that depends on if what was said was truly hurtful or not. And who gets to make that determination is an interesting discussion in and of itself. Demanding people change their language so as to not be hurtful as defined by the person demanding the language change, or apology, or concession of wrongs isn't benign. It can create a whole lotta eggshells one has to avoid. But this is probably a spin off thread.

Ah, that's it! I did edit, but then tried to edit again and must've posted again.

Dp where it quoted...myself??

Bagels said meh in how it had played out in her circles, as in everyone had gotten a cold. That was her experience and went along with a post hoping the president had an equally meh case. A poster immediately pounced with the fact that 200k dead is not meh. Bagels never said that, and given her posting history I personally don't know why anyone would assume that she takes that scale of loss of life lightly, no matter her personal experience with covid and her view of it as an individual experience. I say this as someone who has unreasonable anxiety about covid given my demographic, and as someone who really would cower in fear and not let anyone leave the house if given the chance. (As an aside, I am thankful I don't have that option, or I could really spiral into actual agoraphobia and really project that unhealthily onto my kids, I think). I don't take offense at her perspective or word choice or life experience and I have not read anything she says as minimizing a very real loss of life or other's more elevated concerns or worries about the virus (but I think there should also be space on the forum to debate those things, too, without people taking things personally).

I totally understand not wanting to use public restrooms right now, and we keep a travel potty in the car for the kids because some of them can't release in nature, lol. I have thought that a carefully positioned adult could use it if need be. But I kind of don't understand (if one is resolved to not using public toilets) not just pulling over where there is an available tree or bush to go behind, especially for dudes, lol. That seems so much more preferable than going IN the car. 🤢 We've taken a lot of road trips and I honestly prefer the great outdoors to many gas station bathrooms even in non-covid times. Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration...kind of. But I am sort of curious as to what is the aversion to peeing outdoors that would make it worse than going in the car (which admittedly squicks me out!).

Cc and checks are accepted.

I really agree with this, for people who are homeschooling for one year with the intent of putting their kids back in PS, and are dealing with K-8. What they do doesn't have to be rigorous because their kids are going back to an environment where EVERY KID spent this year in craziness. The kid who manages to reliably keep up with a math workbook that is at their abilities is going to be set up for success to go back to PS next year. I am not on FB advising anyone to get workbooks from Walmart, but I truly do not understand everyone’s angst about rigor in this particular chaos.

Any updates? Are you getting your cds? I'm a nosy Nelly and killing time at Walmart pickup.

Yes, all the contact tracing I have heard of is looking for close contacts, meaning people you can identify, that you spent more than 15 minutes next to. They aren't asking about large gatherings or where you may have been in the presence of a lot of people you don't know.

For me, hydration and making sure I've eaten really helps. As does making sure my posture is relaxed (I'm not clenching anything, lol) and I'm breathing. I almost passed out once when I had to be a friend's pick up person from an outpatient procedure. During discharge instructions I excused myself to the bathroom in a really abrupt, awkward way. Fast forward a decade later and I had to do wound care on a family member for a few weeks. The morning they were showing me what to do at the hospital I was very conscientious about the above precautions and had no troubles doing what needed to be done.

Idk, but I have been trying to watching this public health round table with DeSantis for 2 days now but it is sooo long and I have not gotten through very much.

I'm not sure what you might consider expensive, but I recommend Stitch Fix at the lowest price point and asking for just jeans to try on. Then keeping what you like from them and buying more of that kind from Amazon or wherever. But that still may be too expensive depending on what your budget is.

Imagine supervising all these kids in classrooms or wherever while they are on their laptops learning from the very people who are claiming being around the kids is too great a risk. That must be a trip!

love this thread because I'm about to order one when we get into a new house. I did find one with a second rail for two levels of baskets, which I like the idea of. No actual experience, though.

Yes, when I started at the endo, I did this. It was before cases started rising in our area and early on, so no distancing in the waiting room, no masks, and I had to fill out a bunch of forms. I went outside to do the forms even though the receptionist looked at me like I was coo-coo bananas. Oh well. Then when I actually got back there, the hygenist was using cavi wipes on EVERYTHING either of us touched and even used a kleenex over any shared computers she was using. So I felt better. But I have generally felt really good about dental office protocols in the three offices I've been in, so you might find a different one that is doing more or being more careful.

Are they limiting occupancy in the waiting room with distanced seating? They shouldn't have you in the waiting room for hours in any case. Like less than 10 minutes would be max if you arrive on time? I have been having an extraction/implant done since early April. The amount of visits sounds normal. My dentists do temp checks at the door or in the car and usually I am the only one in the waiting room or maybe one other person briefly. They require masks.