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I am curious and this question is not supposed to be a question off topic. You both indicted that you couldn't go into Christian worship centers correct? I believe it may have Yael that said she had been in a Muslim Mosque and maybe some other religious worship centers.
Do you also have the same limitation to religious books? Have you personally read the Brit Chadasha, (what we call the New Testament), Quran, or other religious material? Would one be off limits because of the monotheism and the other not or could an Orthodox Jew read any of them for informational purposes?
Again, I'm just curious if it goes against your teaching. I know that I read other religious material for informational purposes, but there are some others that I feel are off limit.
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Yael, if you have already answered these questions, then you can just say already stated. I have read through the entire thread, but it's been over several days. I wish I had my pre-pregnancy brain back. It's slowly been leaking out the last 15 years. :)
You said you've been in different types of Judiasm. What type of Judaism did you follow in your home as a child? I just wonder if that most people stay with the same form they grew up with. Obviously, I realize this is ultimately an individual thing. When you convert from within Judaism is it a easier process than for a gentile? Oh, and do most people convert either from inside or outside of Judaism because of marriage? Or do you have a lot of people from other beliefs converting because they found their truth?
When referring to Orthodox, Reform, etc do you say we practice this type, sect, or form? Is saying it one way the proper way or are all acceptable? Trying not to sound rude there also. I would like to refer to it as in the proper way. Is one group significantly more populous or influential in Israel or anywhere else?
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Dear Suzanne, now that Shabbos is over for me (Eliana has a couple more hours to go), I can say thank you very much from what I can see is a heartfelt and well thought out apology. It's funny though; I don't really take offence from the anti-Semitism you mentioned per say. I mean I do not want people to be anti-Semitic, of course. It's to be expected actually. Here is a great explanation of why we have anti-Semitism from an Orthodox Jewish source http://www.aish.com/sem/wtj/ . If you have the time to listen/read a while, you'll see it isn't unexpected.
I thank you for your prayers and all Christian's prayers for the Jews and for Israel. G-d knows your hearts and knows you have love for His people and like the Bible says, those who love His people, will be blessed. :grouphug:
If you want to know what gets my goat (and has gotten my goat in this thread) is that Christians who try to convert Jews have to deceive us in order to convert us. If a Christian came up to me and said Jesus is the best thing since sliced bread, he is good and kind and loves each and every one of us and so forth and so on and that I should convert (re-vert?) OR say that there is hellfire and damnation if I don't become a believer and you want to save my eternal soul, that to me is an honest and forthright way to convince me to convert. But that's not how it works when most/all Christians want to convert a Jew. It's not ever put forth that way because the Christian knows (subconsciously or consciously) that Jews have never believed in Jesus as a Messiah. In generations past, we have had to give up our lives to resist conversion tactics (i.e., convert or die). A Christian has to couch their tactics in falsehoods and obfuscation. Tell a Jew he isn't converting; he's becoming fulfilled or completed. Don't tell him he has to put up a big cross in his worship space; leave up the magen david, wear a tallis and kippa, eat challah not Wonder bread (that's for Gentiles!), rye bread with pastrami and pickles, mustard, not mayo (that's for Gentiles!). Don't use the term New Testament, call it the Brit Chadasha. Don't call him Jesus, call him Y'shua. Nobody makes a group called Moslems for Isa (Jesus), right? Why don't Christians do this stuff to, I don't know, Muslims or Buddhists or whoever? Just the Jews. Sigh. Why do Christians have to take our Bible mistranslate it and then shove it back into our faces, asking us why can't we just see that it clearly says virgin (when it doesn't) in Isaiah 53 or the other verses that are upthread. Those of us with a good background can laugh it off but over 80 percent of Jews don't have that background and don't know any better. Don't lie Christians, you're supposed to be salt and light. I know you have to want and try to convert everyone; that's cool, that's part of your religion. But cut out the lies; that's not how Jesus rolled!
Thank you for your reply. I see you feel very put upon by many Christians you have encountered. I am sincerely sorry for any mistreatment that you may have had visited upon you. I agree that people should be upfront about their intentions.
I have never been in enough contact with any Jews to even try to convert any. I wouldn't put it that way, but I see that is how you feel based on experience. If I felt it appropriate, then I'd share who I know Yeshua to be and they (anyone not just someone Jewish) would have to make up their own mind. I think we'd all love for everyone to share our beliefs. We wouldn't hold them if we didn't think they were correct. But, I also know that not everyone will agree with me and that is ok. Christianity should never be forced upon or seemed pressured. At the end, the people involved should be able to leave the discussion with respect for each other even if they will never share the same belief system. It is not alright to force your beliefs upon someone else. No mater how you do it. Whether it be by sword, manipulation or oppression. If you introduce it and they want to listen, then great. If they don't and you persist, then you're only going to make an enemy.
I can't answer all your questions about why Christians do things this way or that way. Honestly, I didn't understand a few of your issues. Not that they aren't real. I just didn't follow what you meant exactly because I have no basis for your line of thinking. You're saying some Christians are telling Jews they should or shouldn't eat wonder bread? :) From your experience are they telling you to stop being Jewish in a sense or keep practicing just throw in some Christian stuff here and there along with it? There are more varieties of Christians, then there are Jews. There are many people that like to state they are a follower of Yeshua, but you couldn't tell it from their actions. We are an imperfect people.
I'm not sure what your referring to with don't lie Christians? Are you meaning with presenting different interpretations of verses or lying by being deceptive in their "conversion tactics" or is there more to it I missed?
I'd love to just call him Yeshua (I see you leave out the e. Is there a difference?) and I do often. I wasn't sure if that would be insulting to you to use the Hebrew. Another reason I don't all the time is some Christian don't know who you are referring to and others might think you are in the secret name society. But, I agree with you if you are wanting to tell Jews that Yeshua is their Jewish Messiah, it falls flat when He is presented with a gentile name. I also think a lot of the Jewishness has been stripped from our scriptures. Why say it is the book of James when it should be Jacob and on and on. Most Christians would have no clue what the Brit Chadasha was. They'd go huh? Is that a direct translation to mean New Testament? I believe all those things have been done again to strip the Jewishness from the Brit Chadasha all in the name of replacement theology. I think it would be hard to witness to a Jew with out having a lot of Jewish understanding. It would be easy to look at a New Testament and wonder why that had anything to do with you.
Anyway, I will let you get back to your thread topic. I didn't mean to derail it. I do have more underailed questions. I'll save them for later.
Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that there are no Jews around here. I live in a small town, so my population base is small. I have gone to a Passover Seder, but that was put on by Messianic Jews. Well, I'm not sure if they were Messianic or what they call themselves. My husband and I wanted to attend a Seder and the only Jewish community putting one on I knew of didn't allow non-Jews to attend, so we just found one. We hadn't been to it before. I have no idea of how they worship. I'm not sure if it looks anything like what you would do or not. This also wasn't in their meeting place, so I didn't get to observe anything.
Sorry for the long reply. Thank you for being so gracious with yours.
Edited because I realized that I said "your" scriptures had the Jewishness stripped when I meant "our" scriptures. I didn't want anyone to misunderstand.
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I read this thread first. I was trying to figure out what was going on and who the Rosie getting the quilt was since the "Rosie" was commenting on the thread. Then I saw Rosie's other thread. Don't know what to say. It's so sad. Don't know what I would do. Thinking of you, Rosie. Not sure if you'd want prayers or not, but I'm saying some for your family. Hope that's ok.
My house is wooden with some brick and shake singles with a basement and crawl space.
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You don't know me, Rosie, but I've read many of your posts over the years and my heart bleeds for you.
I am so very, very sorry for your loss.
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Eliana, thank you for replying so thoroughly to my questions about how you study your scriptures along with what you mean by written and oral Torah among my many other questions. Your answer was very informative and I appreciate all the time you took to answer it for me. Yael and yourself have no clue who I am yet you graciously spend your time answering my questions.
I would like to address some tensions that have developed. I myself haven't addressed this thread as a debate form, but as an informative one. I do realize though that sometimes when we are passionate about our beliefs it is hard to keep from sharing our views. I am also very passionate, but am trying to be very respectful with my questions. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would venture to say that it's more passion than disrespect for your beliefs. I can however see how you and the Jewish community as a whole are sensitive to questions that seem to present as criticism from Christians.
As a Christian myself, I can be honest and say that for a long time I thought it was the Catholics that persecuted the Jews. Through an intensive investigation of Church history I have come to realize that it just isn't the case. I now see that church anti-Semitism has rained for century upon century even in non-Catholic circles. I can truly understand how the long history of the church declaring sentiments like the blessings are for the church and the curses are for the Jews has put a huge wedge between Christians and Jews. That doesn't breed much love or respect between differing beliefs. All that not to mention Martin Luther's unadulterated hatred for your people. How that line of hatred led to the atrocities that were inflicted upon Jews during the Holocost truly disturbs my soul. When I found out the things he promulgated I wept. A lot of Christian circles exalt Martin Luther while burying his anti-Semitism. It baffles my mind.
I realize that even without Martin Luther and the rest the the anti-Semitism that has occurred throughout history, you still wouldn't be accepting Yeshua as your Messiah. Nevertheless, perhaps there could be less skepticism when Christians try to express love for the Jewish people. How could that be trusted based on history. I am sure that has left a lot of scars.
I want you to know (Eliana, Yael and the whole Jewish community) that from the bottom of my heart I sincerely apologize for the injustices that have been visited upon the Jewish community throughout the ages in the name of being followers of Jesus. That is not in the name of the God I know nor is it what is taught in the scriptures I revere. It is far from it.
Also know, that the Christians I know (of course I can't speak for everyone that wears that label) love the Jewish community. I pray for you and the peace of Jerusalem. I'm not even sure that is a good thing to you, but it does come from a loving place. And I completely understand how it seems impossible to sift out true love and compassion even when it is trying to be shown.
With sincerest apologies & love to you and yours,
Suzanne
I realize this is your Shabbat, so you won't reply today. You may reply when or if you want to; however, no reply is necessary.
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I'm not making myself clear. This Rabbinic commentary is the stuff we study to understand the Bible and G-d. My kids learn the stuff I showed you, I do, my husband does, many/most Orthodox Jews have some point in their day where they learn Torah and texts. There's little that is off-limits - the Kabbalah Eliana talked about upthread. This is reserved for over 40 year old men who have extensively studied the Torah and commentaries. Some women don't learn the Oral law/Mishnah/Gemara, but that's really it. I don't know of any part of the Torah that if off limits (I skim through the adult-ish parts like Tamar or Onan with my kids as I don't really need to talk about incest or prostitution at age 7-9 when we encounter the text [of course in Hebrew])
I hope I've been clearer.
Thank you both for answering my question. I have to admit what I heard before has me a bit perplexed, but I may have misunderstood. Not sure what was meant by it after seeing your answers. I will try to clarify that with them, but it's not someone I have close contact with. That is why I decided to post a question here.We have a weekly Torah portion that we are supposed to study each week (preferably with at least Rashi's commentary &, for guys, in the Aramaic translation as well), none of the Chumash (Penteteuch) is omitted.
Megillas Rus (Ruth) is studied in preparation for the (upcoming!) holiday of Shavuos (Pentecost, I think), and is read in shul on Shavuos.
Not every part of Tankh (The Jewish Bible) has a slot, but there is none that we mayn't study... quite the contrary.
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Nevertheless, Yael's answer brought up a different question for me. Oh, and I hope my questions don't come across as disrespectful because they are truly just curiosity.
Yael, you mentioned that you, as in the Orthodox community I assume, studied the Rabbinic commentary. Is that the Talmud you are referring to? I was curious as to if you can look at the scripture yourself and come up with an interpretation on your own or if your understanding of it has it come from the commentary itself. I guess what I am asking is, are you allowed to make a private, your own, interpretation?
I was also wondering if when Eliana mentioned studying Torah specifically if she was referring to the reading of the Torah and the study of the commentary or the study of the written Torah itself? Eliana, when you mentioned Torah does that mean the written or the oral or both? Am I correct in saying the oral Torah is the Rabbinic Commentary/Talmud or have I misunderstood that? The written Torah is generally the first five books, but can sometimes mean the entire Tanakh? I'm just trying to clarify the terminology, so I can understand your answer.
Maybe you two were meaning the same thing. I guess it depends on the answer to my question about the commentary. This question is spurred on from something a read from a Catholic poster, not on this forum. She said that they are only to interrupt the Bible through the church. There maybe other Catholics that disagree with this, I'm not sure, and I know that question is for another thread entirely, not trying to address it here. I just hadn't understood that before about Catholicism and so Yael's post made me wonder about Judaism.
Thanks again for being willing to answer my questions. I find this thread quite interesting and very educational. I don't feel I would be able to glean this information from someone for fear of feeling I was being intrusive, so I greatly appreciate all the contributors for being so willing to answer questions.
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Jasperstone, take all the opinions for what they are worth. We can all just give our own opinions from our own particular slant. There's abundance in many counselors, but not all of them are going to work and some will be down right wrong. You have to sift through them and throw out the chaff.
I'm not sure about how long Jasperstone has actually been a member or reader. It may not appear like I don't know how the board works, but I have been reading the boards for years. I had another id years ago, but didn't post under that one much either. I sincerely doubt anyone would recognize it. I'd have to search to see if I could find it to remember it. I'm mentioning that because we're making an assumption that she doesn't know how things should work. She made a mistake. She's owned up to it and apologized. It can't be let go of and now every subsequent thing she says is colored through the same lense.
Let's give her the benefit of the doubt also. She feels a bit jumped on and it would be hard not to see how she might not feel that way under the circumstances.
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Someone mentioned winds earlier, but I couldn't spot it again to quote it. We live in tornado ally and often have high winds. We had a microburst about five years ago. I don't remember any rocks being moved, but it did tear off part of our roof and tossed the playground across the yard among other things. Of course, I'm sure it could move the pea gravel we have, but a tornado will also drive straw into a tree.
There's probably no perfect solution. Maybe see what your neighbors or someone close that has a similar amount of trees, landscape, and so forth are using and ask if they are happy with it. That may be a better solution for you since people on the web will have a variety of situations that may or may not work for you.
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I just wanted to tell you, Aimee, that I can relate to your struggles in many ways. I too have a nine year old with dyslexia. My son's is pretty severe, but we are coming along. I've often thought about a school for dyslexia. There is one around here, but it would be a long drive. Besides that, there is no way in the world we could afford it. It is over $20,000 a year. I know they give out some scholarships, but I still think it wouldn't be conceivable for us.Thanks. Everyone. So very much.
I needed the push. I needed to know that we weren't overreacting. About everything going on. For whatever reason, even though DD loves the school as a whole (she says), she seems relieved knowing that she'll probably be home next year - she appears to be making tentative plans to do things that she didn't have time for this year (soccer, hanging out with her homeschooled cousin, hitting the museums with me and the boys, etc). It's nice to know that it won't be completely crushing for her to leave.
I wanted to state that we started using Barton recently and it's been slow, but we are going. At first it took a lot of prep time for me to get it, but it's getting easier now. Even though it isn't cheap, it's a lot cheaper than schools and tutors. Maybe you've already used this or this is what the school is using. I don't know. I just thought I 'd mention it. Also, we've started using Learning Ally for his text books and that is helping a lot. That way I don't have to read them all to him. Homeschool Buyer's Coop often has a good deal on it in case anyone is interested.
Anyway, good luck to you and your daughter.
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I have to agree here. I know I said something about checking on the internet. Sometimes I trust things like that for myself, but I wouldn't for my kids. I thought about it after I wrote it and meant to come back. Glad someone else mentioned it.I've had better luck asking a pharmacist. If they don't know, they'll actually look it up. For me, a pharmacist is also a lot easier to get hold of.
You could also try looking up drug interactions on the web, although, if it were me, I'd want to confirm with a dr or pharmacist as well.
Also, I didn't think about it, but like flyingiguana stated the pharmacist would probably be the best person to talk to. You could probably just make a call.
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I'm sorry I guess I didn't state my question right. I wasn't suggesting that the Rabbis haven't studied it. I guess I thought perhaps those that sit under the rabbis didn't or maybe weren't supposed to. I thought that was what was indicated. I wondered if anyone knew the reasoning behind that.No way! We read it all. There is a tremendous - I mean a scary enormous amount - of Rabbinic commentary on every verse in the Jewish Bible.
Maybe I misspoke and it was supposed to be "study" instead of "read". I thought it was both. I will have to see if I can clarify this with this other person if I can contact them. Or perhaps could this be different in different places? This person wasn't American.
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I'm not sure why I didn't think of Aleve. She's a fairly normal sized gal, around the 50th percentile for everything, weighing in at around 90 lbs, about 5' tall (guesstimate!). I'll definitely pick some up!
Can I also give her a nausea pill with the Aleve?
I'm not sure about that. I don't know what sort of medicine it is. You'd have to ask your doctor. My gut says it shouldn't interact, but I don't know. I'd probably look on the web and see if it interacts if I didn't want to call the doctor. From my experience the pain caused much of the nausea, so if the pain is under control you might not need it. Then again her issues might be something else altogether. It is sure worth a shot.
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I second the Skechers. I don't have the go walk ones, but I've had four or five pairs of different varieties. Two of them are sneakers and one is mule (slide on tennis shoe). I actually like the mules the best. You can walk a long ways in them plus you can just slide em on and go. They've all been very comfortable unlike my new Nikes that I should trash. In fact, I never had to break them in like some other shoes. They were comfortable from the get go.
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I've heard somewhere from an Orthodox Jews that there are certain scriptures that aren't read. Is that true of all Orthodox Jews? If this is the case do you know why?
If you need an example, I believe one was the book of Ruth and another Genesis 22.
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I probably wouldn't say anything unless I was really close to the mother. However, I would probably stay away from them. Maybe I shouldn't, but a kid knowing how they want to die on top of the other stuff sure doesn't put me at ease.
In Jasperstone's defense there have been some "tensions" lately. I didn't think Scrapbook meant anything by it, but I can see how the comment could be taken wrong. We live and learn and move on.
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Not all mulch is red. I'm not a fan of red mulch.
You're right. I guess that wasn't clear from my post. I wasn't trying to suggest that. Someone else mentioned colors and just wanted to note that it doesn't last long in my opinion. The kind we had at our current place wasn't red (I don't think anyway), but again in my opinion I would never choose to put it down. That of course is my opinion and as another poster pointed out it may depend on your location, climate, etc.
Of course there is also varying degrees of taste too. According to what the OP's mother-in-law thinks, I guess we'd have to go with one man's trash is another man's treasure. lol
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One of the struggles I went through in deciding to home-school my boys had to do with giving up my earning power. As the years have gone by I've given up more and more of that to stay home, and sometimes I fret about that. Sometimes I don't feel I'm living up to the potential I trained for, other days I'm more comfortable with my choice.
As a stay at home dad who home-educates, is this a concern for you, and if so, what are some good ways to deal with it?
And glad you started this thread.
I can relate to what you are saying even though it wasn't directed at me. When I stopped working and not "using" all the education I worked so hard for, people would make a few off handed comments about how much I could make if we both worked. First, of all I do work. I did so even before I homeschooled and secondly it is none of their business as long as it is ok with my husband and myself. I want to encourage the OP to remember that. If your wife and yourself are ok with it, then it's nobody's business. When they start paying your bills, then they can get a say.
I do have to admit that I have myself have thought about where I might be career wise if I kept working outside the home. After that I come back to reality and think about what I have poured into my kids that I couldn't have if I didn't stay home. I remember those long days working as a tax accountant and dragging myself home. I remember thinking back then that I don't know how I could juggle a family and that job. It was hard finding time for my husband when we were dating. I can't imagine it now.
Besides all that, what better way is there to use your time and talents than your kids. Sean, keep doing what your doing. People always act a little different when you're doing something outside the norm. It used to be that with homeschool here when I first started. Now when someone tries to get me a job I'm not looking for or asks the same question about if I'm going to put the kids in school, I just try to roll my eyes and ignore it.
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I bought a baggallini last summer and I love it. I even squeezed my full sized ipad into it. The pockets in the front have varying depths which is nice. I've only used it for one trip, but it got pretty abused. I stuffed it good too and the zippers and seams are still good. I looked to see how much I paid and it was $28 something. Now it is $40.99. I'm not sure I would have paid that much sight unseen, but having used it I think it is worth the price. I just happened to get a good deal. Sometimes the different colors on Amazon will have different prices too. You can check that out. I think I remember just sticking with the black because it was cheaper.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XKTXSA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Sorry to hear about your daughter's issues. I can sympathize. I started my period when I was ten and had bad cramps up until I had my first child. Within the last year or two I've been experiencing it off and on again, but not every month. Not always, but a couple of times it has been very very severe. Not sure about all that, but maybe I am going through hormonal changes. Sorry for mentioning my issues. That is a bit off topic.
I don't wish that pain on anyone especially your dear daughter. My daughter started when she was ten. Unfortunately, she has the same issues. Most men just don't get it unfortunately. I think my husband does a bit because he sees how much pain my daughter and I go through. Truthfully, some women don't either. Maybe they haven't had the issue or theirs has been very mild and they don't fully get it.
One other thing I might suggest. I think another poster mentioned it, but I will too in case you missed it. The OTC Midol/Pamprin stuff never touched my pain. My mother told my doctor when I was a kid how much pain I was in and he said I didn't need to be. He prescribe anaprox at the time. Now it is Aleve over the counter. It really did help so much, especially if I took it as soon as I felt anything. My periods were so irregular that I never thought about talking it early. My daughter thought I was weird for keeping track of her cycle, but now she gets it. If you can keep a log of when she is pain, then maybe you could medicate her a day or two before it starts. If that doesn't work I'd give two Aleve at the start of symptoms along with a heat pad. The heat pad was always my friend.
I'm not sure of the size of your daughter, but you could ask your doctor to give a prescription for naproxen. The prescription I took as a kid was a bit stronger than the current OTC stuff. That is just a generic for Aleve/Anaprox.
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Rocks are white trash? lol Bring on the trash I guess. I'd have to vote for rocks. My husband and I spent tons of weekends when we first moved into our house scooping up nasty mulch. That red color doesn't last long. Unless you are planning on redoing it quite often, I'd go with pea gravel. We have about 20 trees in our yard and that's no exaggeration. In fact, we probably have more than that. We just use a leaf blower. Some times we use a rake to get out a few sticks. Oh, we don't have any problem with water under it either. We have it next to our house with weed cloth under it and all around our playground.
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We do main dish salads once in a while. When we do I don't usually add anything else. Fried
chicken salad, chef salad and my new favorite is chicken fajita salad. We usually only have a side
salad with something like spaghetti or lasagna. On a rare occasion, we have steak, baked potato
and a side salad.
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I also give kudos to Umsami's remarks. I thought they were point on. Don't get me wrong. Please hear this. What I am about to say is not directed at the OP. I applaud what she has done.
My mom used to say ex-smokers were the hardest on smokers. I had a cousin that smoked for a short time and she was able to quit. She didn't get why others couldn't quit and on and on. My mother has been a smoker since she was a teenager. She has some emotional things tied into her smoking. She has tried quitting several times. I'm sure under the right circumstances she could. I do not like smoking at all. I have tried to be supportive. However, I do have compassion for her. Could she quit smoking? I'm sure she could. Could I lose weight? Yes, I'm sure given the right circumstances I could.
The only reason I am stating this is that people have a variety of reasons for being overweight and a variety of things work for different people. What works for one won't necessarily always work for another. Being a former overweight person doesn't give you the insight or ability to be able to model the perfect weight loss plan for another. Yes, they can give them tips and pointers. I am definitely not saying the support doesn't help. Just that everyone is different. Being overweight or obese and "curing" that is not just about calories in calories out. At least from my own experience it isn't. I'm just one person. Nobody has to agree with me.
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I have to applaud you. Anyone, that has lost that much weight needs to be proud of themselves. I have to give you kudos for your accomplishments.
I'm never lost that much weight. As someone that has either been in the overweight or obese category since I was a child, I get your intelligence comment. Often it feels as if you have to work 10x harder. I have often felt over looked. I really don't know how to describe it. I'm sure their are others like me that understand. There are many things I could say, but some may be too personal. Perhaps I will at some point.
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No, problem. I completely understand. I did look at the aish link you listed. Thank you for providing it. I actually have had the app for that site for a little while. I hadn't checked the site out much though. I found it when searching for a Hebrew calendar a while back I believe.