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Well, I'm out of range for the target too.
Sadly they are forgetting we had children that used and loved SL the way it was.
Good thing I kept all the old cores and IGs
:sad: I sold mine. I'm tempted to buy the IGs for D and E and G with my repurchase discount before April 2nd.
I kind of resent the fact that I spent loads of time figuring out the IG's and after I was able to decipher them, SL decides they are just too complicated for me. Huh? I have ADD, if *I* can figure them out ANYONE can. Grrrrrrr
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do up a catalog! Their new catalog just makes me drool! :tongue_smilie: They even have ebooks and eguides that can be viewed on all kinds of devices! I tried Sea & Sky a few years back and it just didn't live up to the catalog, though. But those new ebooks ...... hmmmmmm
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If you're looking at ordering from them, I just want to put a plug in for their customer service. I ordered Henle Latin from them a few years ago. When it hadn't arrived in a timely fashion, I called them and they very kindly shipped another set out immediately. (I never got the original shipment.) They were great and I wouldn't hesitate to order from them again, if you are trying to decide.
I agree! I've used Latina Christiana and their cursive handwriting books. Fast shipping and very easy returns.
I'm thinking about using MP literature guides instead of Progeny Press for my 13 yo ds.
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are giving condoms to 12 year olds?? I don't even know what to say about this! It's just sad.
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I just think it is important to differentiate it for Christians. Thinking that providential history is wrong, in my opinion is like thinking God as the watchmaker.
Now i believe this whole "America is the new Israel" is heretical
I agree! And in that light, since the Henty books aren't just about American history they would be Providential but not "America is the new Israel", right?
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that you really like? I've been looking at their Traditional Logic books, Literature Guides and their American History.
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are you referring to God's sovereignty and his hand in history throughout the world or are you talking about "America is God's chosen land"?
:confused: I'm not sure. I've heard the term but never gave it much thought until the "The Light and the Glory" controversy at SL. I agree with God's sovereignty but not the "America is God's chosen land" thing.
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that they are sold at Vision Forum.
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ADHD here. I use whatever seems like a good idea at the time. :lol:
:iagree::lol::thumbup::laugh: Me, too!!!
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If he's lagging behind in LA, then he's definitely not ready for high school work yet, and probably not ready for that aspect of HOD RTR, either. Thus, you'd still have to use something separate for LA even if you switch to HOD.
It sounds like you really want to use HOD, but your children's skill levels just aren't panning out to fit in the guide where they are in history. This is the same problem I ran into when I tried HOD CTC with my middle girl. Very frustrating. HOD is a beautiful program, but when everything doesn't line up neatly on the placement chart, it can be a problem. Thus, I think you'd have to pick a separate guide for each of them for history, but even if you combine them in history, you'll still need additional guides to get them at the right level for LA skills. Either that or just keep your LA assignments completely separate.... which you're already doing in MFW. (Is your son doing the copywork, dictation, narrations, and memory work in MFW?)
So if you switch, you have to figure out what to do about their LA skills. The LA work in HOD can be very tedious, especially if they're not quite *there*.
So this is his second time reading through that book within a year? No wonder he's bored with it. :lol:
Anyway, all that said, and based on your responses in your last two posts, here's what I'd recommend:
Stay the course with MFW -- for now. Focus on your son's writing and LA skills, maybe some additional lit study guides.... Get him up to speed there and let history be "easy" for a little while. Make sure he's doing well in math and science. Re-read Marie's notes on Bible for older/advanced students.
Spend a little time browsing the Archives and Ideas forums for RTR and see what you can glean from them:
http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewforum.php?f=27
http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewforum.php?f=12
Also read some of the posts on LA to see if you can find anything helpful there -- especially for Writing down in the last 1/3 of the index. http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewforum.php?f=19
Call the MFW office for any additional helps.
Reconsider HOD again for high school, and/or for your daughter when brother hits high school. That's only a year and a half away. ;)
I think you are right; we need to stay the course with MFW. I'm going back over the notes in the manual and will pull together some books for the book basket. I've got a Progeny Press guide that I haven't added in yet, which I will do.
I have a Book Basket question for you. Are we supposed to discuss the books or do they just read them and that's it?
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I'm not sure what you're planning for high school, but whether it's HOD or MFW, both of those programs have the student working independently at that level. Even as a MFW student, your son should already be working toward independence in math and science, and possibly language arts and other subjects, as well. (And don't forget about learning responsibility through chores and obedience!)
What's he doing for LA right now?
He is doing Saxon 8/7 on his own and Apologia General Science on his own. LA is the only place he is lagging behind. His vocabulary is well beyond his years and he could talk your leg off. But, teaching him to write it down will be the end of me. :001_rolleyes:
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Yes, that makes sense. So if you're only in week 6 of MFW RTR, you haven't got out of the Ancients yet. :tongue_smilie: But in another 7 weeks or so, you'll be there.
Is your son doing the readings by himself, or are you doing them all together as read-alouds and family discussion? I remember my girls complained about Augustus Caesar's World all the way through it, and yet both of them rave in hindsight about how much they learned.
I make my son read aloud from Augustus Caesar. He is MUCH better at oral reading than I am. Also, he read it on his own last year.
How much is your son doing from Streams? Is he doing the Advanced assignments scheduled in MFW? How about some of the G.A. Henty books... is he reading those? (They're listed in Book Basket.) If you don't have a good library, maybe you could purchase some of those for him? How about research, biographies.... Do you have the Famous Men book that Marie recommends? You can purchase the titles that Marie has asterisked in Book Basket if you'd rather just own your own books instead of using the library. Or perhaps you could even buy some of the books you like from HOD to use in lieu of MFW's Book Basket. ;)
Yes, he is reading Streams and doing *some* of the advanced assignments. We own Famous Men of Rome, which he reads from. Book Basket is a big problem for me. Our library rarely has the books I need, but I'd really rather own the books. Making all those book choices is a killer for me and I'd prefer to have them actually scheduled. I need it already written in a schedule that pgs 1-XX need to be read on this day.
Realize that even if you switch to HOD RTR right now, you'd still have to skip ahead some to get to the medieval period because HOD RTR begins with the Resurrection..... you've still got all of Ancient Rome to go through there, too. ;) So unless it's a case of just liking the layout of HOD manuals better, or something more specific about HOD than the time period (they're almost identical) or MFW's Book Basket (which can be easily remedied), I'd suggest you just stay the course right where you are. Find solutions to help you get through the Ancient Rome period (I know we were dying to get to the Middle Ages, too!) rather than trading apples for apples.
(If it's any consolation, the Ancient Rome period is a common complaint about MFW RTR. Try to look on these several weeks from a biblical perspective, that is, the "setup" for the changes in the world that are yet to come. The Middle Ages/Crusades and Reformation eras couldn't have happened with the Ancient Rome era, after all. :D )
And lastly, are you doing the Bible readings in MFW RTR? There are "Advanced" assignments there, too, so your 12yo son should be reading more than your 8yo daughter is. We read the assigned passages for everyone, and then oldest dd read the "advanced" assignments and we'd discuss them later.
No, I haven't been having him do the advanced bible assignments. I'll have to reread that in the guide.
BUT, if after all that you decide you still want to move on to something else.... There are a lot of different things to consider when placing into HOD, and even if your son is a strong reader, he might find some of the other assignments in HOD to be too tedious. I don't know, maybe he is ready, but also consider his attention span, his ability to work independently, his composition and research skills.... I wish HOD had more than Week 1 sample lessons on the website. Before you ditch MFW altogether, you might want to see if you can find a used HOD manual to look through first to compare your son's workload. And honestly, there's more age-appropriate work for both your children in MFW RTR. It's very easy to beef up the reading in MFW for an advanced student if that's the main problem. And as I said before, there are a lot of ways to remedy the Book Basket situation, too. Depends (partly) on how badly you want to keep them together.
Another thought is to beef up your son's literature study separately from the History and Bible in MFW. They recommend Progeny Press. Have you seen those? They're VERY meaty. Or you could choose something else if you don't like PP. Or just give him a lot of extra books to read from another booklist such as Ambleside. Give him more research, composition, and notebooking assignments. Remember that he doesn't have know *everything* at this age... try and pinpoint exactly what the problem is and go from there. He'll get the history again at much deeper level in four years. ;)
You've been SO helpful and given me a lot to consider! Wow! Thank you! I need to think about some of the things you've said and figure out why exactly I'm thinking about jumping ship. I think the biggest reasons are the book basket and not wanting to constantly make choices and find the books and when I used HOD's CTC my ds did well with the layout of the guide. I made copies of the weekly pages and gave them to him with the boxes highlighted for the things he needed to do on his own. We ended up ditching HOD because ds wasn't ready for the writing assignments and CtC was waaay too heavy of bible history for him. Also, I learned that I am no where near capable of doing two guides.
I'd put him in a high school program if it weren't for his lack of writing skills. He's more than capable of reading, comprehending and discussing high school level books, but writing a decent paper on those books is another thing. I'm using Easy Grammar Plus and Writing With Skill with him trying to get up to speed. Argghhhh Too many decisions!
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I've only been using HOD for 2 years and the highest level guide I've used is Bigger, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt! :001_smile:
I think that it would not be a good fit if you are wanting to use HOD as the author intends. If you are willing to really tweak it, then it may be fine. Also, you may want to think about whether or not your planning to continue with HOD, or just use it for this year. It could get progressively harder for her to keep up as time goes by.
I hear you on not doing more than one program. I'm seriously considering getting back to one history and science for my children. I love the togetherness and cohesiveness that fosters!
HTH!
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This is probably the last year my two will be together. I'm trying to get my ds to become more independent so he can branch off into a high school program. I'm just trying to figure out what to do until ds reaches that point. It's hard combining them because of the 4 year age difference. Although my dd is fairly close to ds in her LA skills.
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I see MFW RTR in your siggy. Are you going to do the same time period over again next year? Or did you mean RevToRev next year? You also mentioned CTC in your post, so I'm confused..... If you're doing MFW RTR now, you'd be going backwards.....
We've only done 6 weeks of MFW RtR. The whole book basket thing isn't working for me and I'm finding most of the readings too easy for my ds. We haven't done much medieval history so HOD's Res to Ref is what I was looking at. I'd like to do HOD's RevtoRev, but I think it would be too difficult for my dd. Does that make any sense?
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We are using science as written. Rod and Staff is a bit much for us and we only used it for a bit before changing to LLATL.
We really like the format of HOD, but CTC has been really Bible history heavy. We are about 8 units into it and my dd11 when asked about CTC says she enjoys it but that it is just Bible history. Those are her words and I can tell that she is getting burned out with the amount of Bible in CTC from the history sections to the basic storytime and the extensions when added to the Bible quiet time and Bible study with the Genesis book...I think she feels that she is studying Bible for everything but Language Arts, science, and math.
I felt the same way! I'm considering HOD's Res to Ref, do you know if that is as Bible History heavy?
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I know they will say my dd is too young, so I'm asking here instead.
I think my SL plans aren't going to happen in light of issues I have with them. I've looked at HOD again and am thinking about doing Res to Ref with my 9 yo dd and 13 yo ds. I would use FLL and WWS with my dc and not HOD's LA. I feel my dd could easily read all of the books and I would probably do some of the "I" boxes with her. I don't want to do CtC with her because I can NOT do that history period again. We've done ancients TOO many times and we hate those dinosaur books. I did about 10 weeks of Preparing with her and it was just too easy. Also, I cannot do 2 guides, I tried and I can't.
Any reasons I should consider for NOT using Res. to Ref with my 9 yo dd?
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Therein lies the problem. We're not quite sure what their educational philosophy is at this point. :confused:
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EXACTLY!
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The book isn't really the issue for me. It's the reason behind pulling the book and then the fact that it's back without much of an explanation. SL said books are pulled all of the time. But are they pulled for the same reasons as TLATG? If the book was pulled because it went AGAINST SL's beliefs and philosophy does this mean that their belief system has changed? Are the inaccuracies and embarrassments John wrote about no longer inaccurate or embarrassing? Maybe it was only John who felt the book should be pulled. It just makes me wonder what's going on. If I only use SL as a book list I wouldn't care, but I use their notes and questions. I don't know if my beliefs line up with SL's any longer.
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If SL had always used it or just pulled it because of customer complaints and then reintroduced it, that would be a different story. BUT, you don't post a dissertation about it's inaccuracies and state that it's an embarrassment, remove it and then bring it back saying it has value. This doesn't sit well with me. I don't have to be on board with every belief a curriculum author has and still use the curriculum, but when the author seemingly goes against their OWN beliefs it's a whole other ballgame.
I usually stay out of controversy, but hypocrisy is hard to ignore. I'm so disappointed and disheartened about this!
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Crystal,
That was very helpful, thank you! It gave me something to think about. We are doing RtR, but the reading is pretty easy for my ds. He read Augustus Caesar's World last year and Streams of Civ isn't overly challenging to him either. Maybe I'll stick with RtR for now and add in some other reading material for him.
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I'm kind of rethinking my plans for using SL Core 100 for my ds who is almost 13. I'm considering MFW AHL. It says it's for 9-12 and was wondering if anyone has used this in 8th grade? I need my ds to start being a little more independent and I like that the guide is directed towards the student, they even have little boxes to check off.
Can anyone share their experience with AHL? Thanks!
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Adding those three books to ANY program, religious or not, makes it a complete no-go for me. As a former history major in college, any book that is that innaccurate, biased and calls itself a history text is a disgrace. It doesn't matter if it is an optional 5th day only text - there is NO EXCUSE for using a book with that many errors.
And as for there not being alternatives - I have several on my bookshelf that cover the same areas mentioned in the Sonlight forum as reasons why they wanted to use this text again. But the books I have cover it in a unbiased historical manner without pushing a religious POV. If little old me with no resources can find alternatives without trying too hard, I'm sure a big homeschool company like Sonlight can.
This is SL's response:
https://forums.sonlight.com/topic/317608-whats-the-deal-with-the-light-and-the-glory-in-core-d/
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It just keeps piling on. I felt more comfortable after the video of Sarita and them explaining why they put LA in, etc., etc. Not because I agreed, but because they "let us in on the secret." This is very disheartening for me. I feel like I'm just floating around now, as I had intended to use SL for a while. If this is the type of books there will be now, what am I going to do? Just a little overwhelmed with the possibility of yet again looking for something.
I guess I could use SOTW 3 next year and add in a lot of read alouds from SL's core D. Seriously, this is truly bumming me out. I don't want to fill my young children's head with drivel. The sad thing is, I trusted SL NOT to do that. I am so busy with homeschooling and working part time that I would have went with it if I had not seen the discussions here. I'm sorry to admit that I don't have time to research everything, and that's why I went with a company I felt I could trust. This saddens me to no end. More time planning, less time with family.:confused:
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I feel the same way. Let's just hope there is a good explanation; at least one we can live with.
I,too, was finally settled on coming back to SL after floundering with MFW and HOD. My older dc (in their 20's) STILL remember what they learned with SL years ago! I just don't know what I'm going to do now. I was so excited about having made a decision and being ready to order next month. :crying:
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Did you see that they added back in Light and the Glory
a book they at one time said was filled with inaccuracies
Every time I get excited about something, something happens to deflate my balloon! :sad:
I've been checking the SL forums for an explanation. I really hope it's just a typo. That throws a major wrench in my plans. I was going to do Core D with my 9 yo dd and Core 100 with my 13 yo ds.
Excited for the new changes to Sonlight!
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me too!