You, too? This is a terrible day. Hugs to you as well.

You, too, huh? We put my puppy down today. Also the second dog dead this year. Her brother died earlier this month, though naturally. We didn't put him down. They had an immune disorder. I'm sorry. Big hugs and know that you aren't alone today.

That does sound pretty wrong!

My goodness. I'm so sorry. You are in such a hard transitional time right now. Go easy on yourself. Can you take a break from schooling? I think it's perfectly fine to take a break from school during times like this. Let everyone adjust and then get back to work.

I don't think anyone covered the legal and financial points you just made. Those are important considerations.

Visit here. We have 6 miles of beach with pretty much nobody on it. Lots of amazing and very large shells because they don't get picked up.

I think we could sustain quite a bit more, if only we'd be efficient about it (with regards to pollution and resources).

My parents told me that when my dog died when I was a kid. I don't know whether it was a convenient lie, or whether it was some sort of environmental law.

Thanks. I wrestled with it terribly. But my girl has finally stopped eating and won't come out of her dog house for anyone but me, when she is normally very friendly. She is lethargic and lays down all day. I waited until we were absolutely sure that she was going to follow her brother. He was not put to sleep, but died naturally. I don't want her to die like he did. Now that I know for sure that she is headed for death and that she is no longer comfortable I think the best thing is for her to be put to sleep. I haven't taken pet death this hard before. But I cared for their mom when she was pregnant and showed up at the school here. I held them when they were 12 hours old (she gave birth in a bad place and needed to be moved). I've fought and fought to keep them healthy and alive. The vets around here tried and tried. They are so young and sweet. Why couldn't they have had a full life?

They have an immune disorder. Medical science can't fix it. There is nothing more to be done. Unfortunately, I had to tell the owner of their sister (the other sick dog in their litter) today. It's very sad. She will most likely be following them soon. Nothing is working for her, either.

Practical question, yes, but gross. My puppy was buried 3 weeks or so ago. My other puppy is being put to sleep today. They are siblings and I love them so I want them to be buried next to each other. The problem is, if we dig down close to the already buried puppy, will there be rotting liquid, smell, or sanitation issues? If so, how close can we bury them together. I was just going to put my girl right exactly next to my boy's grave, but I realized last night that might be a bad idea. I have no experience with burying pets until moving here. That's what people do here and where I've lived in the States burying a pet was illegal. (or so I was told a kid. I suppose I don't really know that.) Thanks for your help.

Nice pics! Very soothing.

I am curious about this, too, and was actually going to ask this in a pm.

What if her parents don't have insurance? Lots of people get in to expensive colleges on grants and scholarships.

I think it's relevant because apparently students can't get birth control pills even for medical need. I've been on them in the past for both PCOS and for endometriosis (though I still disagree with my doc and don't think I have endometriosis!). If they aren't to prevent pregnancy (which is why Catholics don't like them, right?) then why shouldn't a student be able to get their medical needs met?

Heh. You make an interesting point.

Have you tried prayer?

A link can be used to convince the woman to come back home or continue the emotional issues that the women needs to get away from. A link can also trigger issues with a woman who needs healing. I used to have flashbacks in the days after a phone call from my ex. The worst and last one was when I was *driving*. I almost drove off the road because I was back in a time with my ex and not aware that I was driving a car. After that, I insisted on no more phone calls. If he needed to contact me for any reason, I told him to use the internet.

I agree. I do think that God is beyond the understanding of legalistic Christendom. It's like when Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees were pissed. God did restrict things on the Sabbath. They could have said, "But God said don't do X, Y, or Z." and even had a reasonable argument. But God didn't ever mean that people should suspend compassion to follow the letter of the law. People like to hyper-focus on details and forget the meaning *behind* the things God has put in the scriptures. Love, compassion, and understanding. Those should go to the women in the above examples. If those are suspended for details, something is wrong.

Thank you. I can barely breathe right now just due to being so sad.

Yeah, I posted about the pregnant dog that showed up at the school here and her puppies. 3 were sick and I took the 2 sickest ones. My boy already died. His sister is following now. The vet says genetic immune disorder of some sort. I've spent 2,000 dollars on these puppies, which is a fortune considering how cheap Mexican vet care is. They've done anything and everything available. The boy died while I was out of town for Christmas and even though we rushed back home early to get there before he died, we were too late. He suffered and I don't want his sister to suffer, too. She refuses to come out of her dog house for anyone but me at this point and as of 2 days ago stopped eating. She is weak and moving slowly. Tomorrow the vet is coming over and we are putting her to sleep. I am devastated. I held them at 12 hours old. They used to sleep in my arms. I just wish there was something to be done. They get infection after infection. Even with prescriptions of strong antibiotics, they still get sick again and again. Mamadog has already passed on due to a car accident in front of the school.

You were lucky. Without the meds, it's a nightmare.

She had no IV. The stubborn lady she was, she refused everything. They put a little sponge with morphine under her tongue every so often. What else could have been done? The idea that she hurt at the end will haunt me for a very long time. Hospice did tell us not to cook anything in the house because it would be cruel to stimulate her hunger. It wasn't that she wasn't hungry because she was in the dying process. Nothing fatal was wrong with her. She had glaucoma. She had neuropathy. That's it. When I was first called, I thought, "Well this is what dying old people do. They eventually stop eating." But when I got there and talked to everyone, no, she was just done with living. She'd been like that for 10 years since my grandpa died, who I mentioned earlier. She'd cared for him as a quadriplegic for 30 years. She couldn't live without him, quite literally.

I confused you with someone else. I'm sorry. I'm not all with it as I'm using this discussion to take my mind off my puppy who we have to put down tomorrow. Drowning is also a horrible death. I've gotten close enough. I was sick enough that I didn't eat anymore and all I did was sleep. I'd say it was awful, but really, all I knew was I wanted to sleep. I wasn't awake enough to know that things were happening. I think sleeping to death isn't so bad. My mother on the other hand remembers it as a horrible time, but she was awake for it. Heh.

I understand that. My grandma had nothing fatal. Her body was as strong as a horse. She didn't want to live anymore and the hospice doc that was called didn't push the issue. She was old. Nobody would have let her if she was 20 instead of 88 (I think that's how old she was). But she was elderly and didn't want to live anymore. However, her heart was strong, her lungs were strong, etc. To watch her go from a hearty woman to a stiff-jointed moaning suffering statue was horrific. You couldn't even sleep because the moans coming from her room were so loud. I have since assured my parents that they are not going to die by starvation or dehydration. I'd so rather them go like my nana. She had an IV and as much morphine as they dare pump into her. That was a peaceful death. That I wouldn't mind.