What she said. Let him tell you to schedule with the nurse on the way out. Then tell the nurse you'll have to call after talking to your husband, checking your calendar, whatever. Then just don't schedule it. They can't make you. And if he called CPS, which I think would be VERY unlikely given your uneventful pregnancy, what's he gonna say? Uh, it's my habit to schedule inductions if the mother's gone 10 days past her EDD, and this patient doesn't want to". Um, yeah. Doesn't sound very convincing to me. Don't borrow the "what if he calls CPS" worry. It seems so unlikely; but even if he did, he has NO case whatsoever.

That movie would not be shown to anyone in my home.

I saw Wonder Woman underwear at Meijer in my size today. No joke; they had women's size Wonder Woman underwear. Made me think of the Hive. I'm gonna see if I can find a link... Well this is a Target link, but same idea.

Lord, have mercy. Such evil. The poor, precious little girl.

One other option I've used when kids are young enough they can't wait in the waiting room, yet old enough I didn't want them listening to private/sensitive info that I was discussing with the doctor was to have them bring a smartphone, ds, tablet, or mp3 player WITH HEADPHONES. Works like a charm.

Ok, I *know* this is gonna sound gross if you've never heard of it. But I promise you it's good, and you can even Google if you think I'm pulling your leg. Equal parts grape jelly and chili sauce. If you don't have chili sauce, you can use ketchup or bbq sauce. It's good, I swear. I does NOT taste like grape jelly. It's just a quick, easy, yummy sweet and sour sauce for meatballs or those cocktail wieners.

Oh boy, in a way it's nice to hear that I'm not the only mom dealing with this, lol. Misery loves company and all that. My older boy, who is 10, has always been one of those 'old soul' types. Like he's a fifty year old man in a 10 year old's body. He's not trying to be bossy; I know he's trying to be helpful. But it's just not his job to correct his younger brother's behavior. I find myself saying 'You are not his parent!' a LOT. It's hard. The same personality traits that cause him to try to correct little brother's behavior also cause him to do great things, like teach little brother all sorts of interesting things. I guess what I'm saying is that it does help me to use grace and be calm when I remind myself that his INTENTIONS are good, even if his execution is bad. Stick with it mama, persistence is key.

My older boy was staying dry by or right around 4; I'm sure it was less than a year after daytime training was done. Soon enough after daytime training was accomplished that I didn't even question if it was within 'normal; range. My younger boy was between 5 and 5 1/2. He was daytime trained right around his third birthday as well, so when he was getting close to 5 and still not staying dry at night at all, I asked the pediatrician about it. She said it was totally within normal still, and that she wouldn't even try any interventions until he was at least 7. That helped me relax, and within about 6 months, he just started staying dry consistently out of the blue. I never made a big deal about youngest ds not staying dry at night. I just explained that when his body was ready, he would stay dry. Until then, he could either choose to wear pull ups or choose to wear underwear and we'd clean his bedding. No big deal, no pressure, no shame, nothing. However on the inside, I was sure hoping that he'd outgrow it sooner rather than later, both for my own ease and because at a certain age, children DO become aware that most people their age do not wet the bed. You see, my stepson never, ever stayed reliably dry until about a year ago, when he was FIFTEEN years old. It's hereditary; his mother and her siblings were all teenagers before they were dry at night as well. Even so, his mother did not handle it well with him, and frankly I felt my own husband didn't, either. I mean, it was nothing the boy had ANY control over. It would be like me shaming my husband for his snoring caused by his sleep apnea (which he does treat now with a cpap machine, but you get the idea). We tried the medication for dss; it didn't work. His mother was not willing to try one of the wetting alarms. So all that was to be done was to hope and pray that someday, he'd grow out of it. And he did. But BOY was I relieved when it happened. I mean, that was a LONG time for me to wash sheets daily, but even more so, it was an eternity for the boy to have to deal with the situation during sleepovers, for him to worry that a cousin or classmate might discover the 'secret' and taunt him. Goodness, it even made vacationing a bit tricky at times. So given that history with my stepson, you might understand how I was doing my best not to freak out that my youngest boy was not staying dry at night at all at age five. I just was really, REALLY hoping he wouldn't have to deal with it anywhere near as long as my stepson had to. So all that to say, discuss it with the doctor if it'll make you feel better, read up on the treatment options, and then take the no pressure, laid back approach with your dc. It will seriously make it easier on both of you. Oh; and don't let anyone else ever give him flack for it. Ever.

What IS their tendency to automatically reject any idea that wasn't their's first?! My dh did that the other day. I had an idea; shared it with him. He automatically thought it was a bad idea. No no, don't do that. Then well, ok, maybe that's ok. WHY does the first reaction have to be that it's a bad idea just because YOU didn't think of it?!

Aaaaannd now I want peaches.

Come on and visit the Detroit area sometime. Michigan lefts make sense as far as keeping traffic flowing. The problem is you never know if the intersection you want to turn at has one or not. So if you didn't grow up in the Detroit area (I grew up in Flint, where there is ONE Michigan left that I know of), and don't know every intersection, travelling can be interesting.

Ah, we have this lovely thing here called a Michigan left. And if you don't know the intersection you're approaching and whether you have to make a Michigan left or a regular left, you might not be turning left where you need to, lol. ETA: When giving someone directions around here, if they're going to need to turn left at an intersection where there's a Michigan left, people say "you're going to have to hit the turnaround there, you can't turn left". We all know what they mean, and it's a nice heads up so you know to be in the right lane to turn right at the intersection where you want to turn left. Makes sense, hunh? :D

Pink. :p

THAT is super awesome. They got my vote for sure. :)

We pray together. When we don't, things go badly in our marriage. When we do, at least we're a team facing the bad things together if they happen; but we also have much more peace and less 'bad' when we pray together. It was a strange, sort of uncomfortable thing in the beginning to pray together. It was new, we didn't know if we were "doing it right". Now, I miss it if a day goes by that dh doesn't take my hand and pray with me. And when we let it slide for a time, that usually means there's something going on; either between us, or with one of us, etc. Seems like we haven't learned yet that the times we need to pray the MOST are NOT the times to QUIT praying together. We're quick like that. :D

Well, the only experience I have is when I had a UTI myself a few years ago. I had to go to urgent care; dr was closed. The urgent care doc did not do any exam of my privates. Just external exam stuff and a urine sample. But I can totally see why a ped. might do one to rule out some sort of structural issue. Gently said, the fact that you argued with the dr about it and *then* agreed to it likely added to your daughter's upset reaction. I'm not trying to judge; you have every right to refuse medical care on her behalf. Just in the future, I'd either allow or disallow something, period. Kids pick up on our indecisiveness/stress. I'd try to remember to start with just asking more questions, like asking the doctor to explain why it's necessary to do an exam, etc, instead of starting with "no", and then letting him talk me into it. I'm only sharing that because I've done the same general thing to my son. I had to take him to the ER for what turned out to be pneumonia. They were doing tests, and wanted to give him a nasal swab for flu. I initially refused; it's not just a q tip up the nose; they have to jam that thing all the way up into your sinus cavity. He was very sick, had already endured an iv, and I really didn't think it was the flu. We were waiting on x-ray results to confirm pneumonia. I asked the nurse why she wanted to test him for flu, and she said it was just to see if he was positive or not; he had already been sick too long for any antivirals to help. I just didn't want to put him through it unnecessarily, so I told the nurse no. Wow, my son was so relieved! But then in comes the doctor, who says they needed him tested because they were going to admit him, and they needed to know if he had flu in addition to his pneumonia because that would help them determine who to room him with; can't put non-flu kid in with a flu kid. Man, now it made sense, but BOY OH BOY was my son even more upset than he even would have been if I had let the nurse go ahead and swab him in the first place. He thought he had escaped the nasty brush up his nose for SURE. I felt awful. I should have asked more questions, but hindsight is always 20/20. Really, I don't mean to make you feel bad. I even hesitate to post this. But if it helps someone else's and their kid, well...

Well, I don't know if it will help, but I will mention that my children do not use the computer without permission. We have one laptop that's mine, one that's dh's. No computer belongs to the children, therefore they need permission to use it. Perhaps you could tell your son that you and daddy have decided on a new rule for him, which is that he needs to ask before using the computer or turning on the tv? Also, my boys (7 and 10), have a total of 75 minutes of screen time they can use throughout the day. They get 25 min in the morning, 25 min in the afternoon, and 25 min in the evening. This has worked quite well. We have SEVERAL dollar store timers; they use those to keep track of their time, so there's no forgetting or getting lost in their game. They can play computer or ds or my phone. (We don't have tv or tablets). They don't use the time online, as dh and I don't feel they're old enough to be unsupervised online. (If they want to look up things, we do it together). Anyway, having three 'turns' per day, as well as strict time limits, has been good for everyone. The boys feel they get plenty of time for their games, dh and I feel comfortable with it, and there's no bickering/begging/whining. It's not uncommon for them to not even use all three turns in a day, which has been a nice surprise for me. (Dh is more lenient with screens than me.) My seven year old understands and follows the rules just fine, so perhaps some version of this would be useful for you.

Hey you! :seeya: I was just thinking of you yesterday. Rock on with your bad self. :D

Dh is the computer guy here and handles all that, so I very well could be wrong. But Ds7 and Ds10 play Minecraft, and I know they don't play with other people; I'm thinking there's different settings where you can play by yourself, offline? They're all asleep or I'd ask them, LOL.

Rabbit trail I realize... My dentist is a Christian. I specifically sought out a Christian dentist when I decided to find one a few years ago. I had a LOT of dental anxiety, and I thought it would help put my mind at ease. It did; it helped. He even prayed with me when I had to have my first filling. (He could see that I was barely holding it together and asked if I would like him to pray.) It was the most touching thing a doctor has ever done for me. Now, I also totally love my gyn, but have no idea of her religion. So it's not some sort of requirement for me to be their patient; doctor must identify as Christian. It's just sort of a nice plus, you know? My faith colors all of my life, including my decisions regarding medical care. It can be easier to work with a provider who has the same worldview. It can ALSO be easier to work with a provider who just, you know, respects that I have the right to make my own decisions, even if they disagree. I'm pretty sure my boy's pediatrician identifies as atheist (she used to blog). She's the absolute best pediatrician ever. And we had to go through several before we found anyone even willing to take us as patients because I insisted on being the final voice of decision regarding my kid's medical care, instead of giving the doctor that authority. So no, I never discount someone being my medical provider based on their religion. But I've found in my own experience that it can be a blessing when your provider shares your same general convictions is all. OP, I know Chiros who are Christian as well as Chiros who are, well, I don't know what *they* identify as, but they are WAY new agey to me.

You "didn't" call me a liar in just the same way that I'm not calling you creepy in this post...

Very true, Martha. I just wanted to point out here that the ONLY 'like' that ties us together in the fb group is that we met here on the WTM forums. Worldview, religion, marital status, opinion on cupcakes; none of them are 'like' in that group. We're just as diverse there as here. The big difference is that there, it's much smaller, you get to 'know' people more. And we are much more civil. It is rare, almost unheard of, to have anything resembling a personal attack against another member there. IMO. IMO. Apparently the fact that someone here named crazy stupid love has a *different* opinion likely makes me a liar; so judge carefully. :D Truly, I think this is the first time since joining this forum that another poster has made me feel personally creeped out. (Wait, is using "truly" a bad thing to do? Does that mean I'm exaggerating or lying? Ugh...)

I'm sorry, did you just call me a liar? I'm many things, but not a liar. I have no idea what crazy stupid's love real name/name she uses on facebook is. So I literally HAVE NO IDEA. I do not know who she was in the group. (And gee, no, of course I've never heard of statement analysis. I'm just one of those uneducated Christians, remember?) Aaaand clearly I need to be done with this thread now...

I have no idea. I'm sure any conversation we have there could be had here in PM's. Honestly (no snark), if you really want to know, I'd pm her directly. No way I'm speaking for her, ya know?

Yes, it's different than the social groups. I know there is at least one other well trained mind fb group other than the "secret" one. (The one everyone's talking about truly is secret. That's a setting you can put a fb group at. Which means even if someone knew the name of the group and searched for it on fb, it wouldn't come up. It's the highest level of privacy. I suppose in that way, it's very similar to a private social group here on these forums.)