Yippee! Thanks so much! I just saved almost $15! So excited for the box of lab stuff to arrive! And, just for the heck of it, a few more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely! Mostly because the movie may not be appropriate for all the kids. Sometimes, because a certain child and I might need some one-on-one time. Sometimes there's not an all-around interest.

I need some AM Revolution resources! But I'm not talking about history... I misread the title of your thread - at first glance I thought you meant help for getting a better start in the morning.:lol::lol::lol: We have taken to sleeping in this summer and our wake-up routine needs a revolution!

No, not funny. Ironic, maybe. I think there's a lot of controversy because people are passionate about different aspects of the exercise of their faith, and because many have felt the effect of the institutional implementation of Rick Warren's teachings. It goes beyond The Purpose Driven Life (which, as others have said, is not a problem as an individual read).

Well, that's your opinion. I'd appreciate your respect of mine. My family bears deep scars from this "minute difference."

Well said, Tibbie! And I have to wonder.... just how offensive is this sort of message to those who have experienced radical disfigurement by accident or disease, to the point that they are not capable of engaging in int3rcourse? To women whose husbands suffer from the effects of such things as radical surgery for prostate cancer? Or those whose military spouses are deployed for extended periods of time - are they unloved because they are absent from the marriage bed? Very narrow-minded, I think.

Actually, I noted the difference between seeker-SENSITIVE (aka "seeker FRIENDLY) and seeker-CENTERED. Some churches actually create a fair balance; it takes careful, prayerful administration. I would classify that as seeker-sensitive. The ones that are failing are seeker-CENTERED. They tend to water down the doctrine in every avenue of ministry, overwork the established membership with lots of fluffy programs and outreach, and cease to meet the need for deep doctrinal study because there's only so much manpower to go around and by undertaking CGM practices, they choose to sacrifice that type of thing (in the name of evangelism, mind you). I do agree with you that the result is a general membership that is weakly rooted, a mile wide and an inch deep. In my personal experience, the biggest failures (church ruptures) occur when this new methodology is applied to a long-existing institution. As far as the term "church growth movement," anyone interested can enter that into a search engine if they would care for an extended definition of what I mean when I use it in my posts.

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Sigh, kinda like well-meaning grandparents, TPTB are trying so hard to be fair that it's....not fair!

He is seen as a key figure in the church growth movement. Many believe that this approach to church growth (via business-like marketing strategies) is contrary to the Spirit's role of drawing new believers. One element of the CGM seems to shift the major role of a church from a focus on discipling current members of the flock to making it appealing to seekers by lightening up the theology in the teaching. IME, the problem is not that churches initiating this strategy become more seeker-sensitive. IME, they fail by becoming so seeker-centered that they cease to meet the needs of the existing membership. I have seen 3 churches split over CGM related practices. It is sad, but I can understand why people have strong feelings about Rick Warren (on either side of the issue). ETA From what I've seen, those who are passionate about evangelism tend to fall on one side of the fence, those who are passionate about deep, sound doctrine fall on the other side. That leaves a lot of folks feeling caught in the middle.

Thanks, Kristina! That's exactly what I was talking about! No wonder I couldn't find it at CBD, it's from RR! Bookmarking that page... Thanks for your recommendation also, nancy. I have seen those maps at COSTCO and they are really nice. I was about to get them, then saw the other one on a thread and realized I actually have a wall that can take such a large map.

Now that I am ready to order it, I can't find the original thread! It was a big one, something like 4x6'. I looked on CBD's site but when I entered "map" in the search box, a gazillion maps popped up. Hoping the person who originally posted such a great find will come back and save me from scrolling through them all!

:iagree: In the grand scheme of things, 7 weeks is a very short amount of time. It is an incredibly short period of time in which to gain a marketable set of skills. It is a wonderful investment of your time to gain training that will allow you to provide well for your children's needs for much longer than 7 weeks in the future. Think about it - how fast have the last 7 weeks of your life gone by? If it's like many of us, it was May, you blinked, now it's August. It will be hard in the midst of it, but don't give up. If your dh isn't working, he can handle more at home. Even if he doesn't really want to.

Is it just my imagination, or does that look like a big bottle of gin in front of your checkout lady? :lol::lol::lol: Honestly, I hate cold weather, I usually like it hot, but this summer has me looking forward to snow.

but the items on the checkout conveyor at Wally World today had me pegged. I use the envelope budgeting system, so I group my purchases by expense category so it will be easy to pay with cash and have separate receipts for different envelopes. So on the belt was: Group 1 - "School supplies" - a big stack of school supplies Group 2 - "Food" - chocolate cookies and a bottle of wine :lol: The cashier said she was ready for her kids to go back to school, too.:lol: I didn't think it was the proper time to share about home schooling - not with the credentials I had set before her!

Ibby, girl, you need to watch it again!

Haha! I want him to watch the Odyssey so he will understand why I find O Brother so much more side-splitting than he does. He laughs, but he doesn't get all of it, kwim? It's time to watch it again, with an enhanced perspective!

This is for dh, so it doesn't have to be a kid version. (However, I would prefer it not be a hyper-s3xu@lized one, either!) O Brother, Where Art Thou? doesn't count. That will be the next thing in dh's movie queue.:D

Wow. Three years? That's like premeditated murder. Totally despicable. Prayers all around.

Can you tell us more about this book (these books - looks like a series)? It appears to published by Westminster, so I assume the series progresses through the Protestant Reformation and has a Presbyterian point of view? Please correct my assumptions if I am wrong. They look great, I just want to know what to expect.

It helps (:confused:) to have been on the other side of the coin as a nondriver. I was left at dance class a few times, and dh was stranded at elementary school many an afternoon by his forgetful mom. That helps me remember (especially since it is *very* important to dh). However, I am bad at correctly estimating the amount of time it takes me to get somewhere since we've moved to a bigger community. So, though I haven't totally forgotten a kid (yet!), I am at times on the tail end of the pick-up schedule.

What a great turnaround! I am so sorry she had such a rough day yesterday. It is very hard to see our children in pain, and it does sound like hers was excruciating. But overall, the news is good - successful removal of a complex non-cancerous tumor. Good, good, good. I strongly agree that hospitalized patients need advocates. :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: to you, Kids. Hope you get rested up, too.

:iagree: It just keeps the situation above reproach. I have always excused myself when asked to referee an event in which a child of mine is a contender.

I have always thought of "those places" as a case of hepatitis waiting to happen. I have yet to visit one. I had my suspicions somewhat validated about a year ago. A friend injured her leg and had to deal with infection for a while afterwards. Advice from her doctor: only get pedicures from professionals who have experience with foot care for diabetics. Apparently they follow sterile procedures (implying that the other places - think strip mall manicure shops - may not). I would never suggest you forgo a monthly treat. I would love to have someone work magic on my feet! But I will be that pesky client that asks a million questions before unlacing my shoes.

Thanks, monalisa! Anyone else? Bueller?