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    AP Statistics

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    18 hours ago, Mom21 said:

    We'll be using Chalk Dust Statistics, taught by Dana Mosely, which includes text, solutions manual, and DVDs: https://www.chalkdust.com/stats.html 

    Another similar option is Cool Math Guy also taught by Dana Mosely, which are the same courses but online only without text, solutions manual, and DVDs option, so no resale value: https://coolmathguy.com/about-dana-mosely

    Perhaps you could create and submit a syllabus to the College Board for an AP Course Audit?                          https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-course-audit                                                                             https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-course-audit/faqs/submit-syllabus-for-approval                                                 https://blog.prepscholar.com/ap-course-audit

    Maybe someone who knows more about how to do that can chime in?

    He’s done almost all of his math with Chalkdust. We know Dana well. I’ll show this to him. Thank you!

    AP Statistics

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    2 hours ago, Farrar said:

    ALEKS has it.

    If you wanted a teacher, UC Scout has it, but it's also pricey. This isn't necessarily one I'd feel I needed an outside teacher for at that price.

    You know, @NittanyJen is teaching it at PAH in the fall. But obviously that's not what you're looking for. But tagging her in case she has thoughts of summer resources.

    He doesn't have time for a full year class. He wants to self study so maybe we'll try that. He's in Calc BC now and thinks Stats will be easy. I wonder if we could hire NittanyJen to help with exam prep and tutor if he gets stuck? I'll wait to see if she responds. If not, I'll email her. I'll look at ALEKS too. Thanks!

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    AP Statistics

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    3 hours ago, UmmIbrahim said:

    Just wanted to put it out there that Edhesive does indeed still offer AP Stats, but it sounds like the registration is just a bit different now. I emailed them about AP CSA for my younger son, and this was their reply regarding courses available:

    ***************

    Thanks for reaching out, and for your interest in Edhesive. 

    We offer Intro to CS, AP CSA, AP CS Principles, and AP Statistics courses to homeschool students. The courses are available on a typical school year schedule - so courses open to students in mid August, and must be completed by June 30. The course materials are all delivered online, and the courses are self-paced. We have a forum where all students can connect with other students and our team of TAs to help them if they get stuck in their assignments.

    We are currently in the process of updating enrollment procedures and pricing for the 2021-22 school year. If you are interested in enrolling a student for next year, please reach out in early June, when we should have updated information available

    ***************

    I got this email in response to my inquiry on May 3, so pretty recent. Just an FYI

     

    Here's the text of their email:

    Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Unfortunately, Edhesive will not be offering AP Statistics next year. A refund was initiated, and will appear in 5-10 business days. 

    We apologize for the inconvenience, and we wish you all the best.

    Best,
    Samantha
    Team Edhesive

    AP Statistics

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    3 hours ago, UmmIbrahim said:

    Just wanted to put it out there that Edhesive does indeed still offer AP Stats, but it sounds like the registration is just a bit different now. I emailed them about AP CSA for my younger son, and this was their reply regarding courses available:

    ***************

    Thanks for reaching out, and for your interest in Edhesive. 

    We offer Intro to CS, AP CSA, AP CS Principles, and AP Statistics courses to homeschool students. The courses are available on a typical school year schedule - so courses open to students in mid August, and must be completed by June 30. The course materials are all delivered online, and the courses are self-paced. We have a forum where all students can connect with other students and our team of TAs to help them if they get stuck in their assignments.

    We are currently in the process of updating enrollment procedures and pricing for the 2021-22 school year. If you are interested in enrolling a student for next year, please reach out in early June, when we should have updated information available

    ***************

    I got this email in response to my inquiry on May 3, so pretty recent. Just an FYI

     

    Three weeks ago we registered and paid but never received the course info or links to start. I emailed them a few times over the last week to follow up and see what happened. No response.  Then three days ago, they emailed me to say they were no longer offering AP Stats and a refund was being issued. So maybe they just decided? Not sure, but they have us scrambling now.

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    AP Statistics

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    Does anyone have a good source for a self paced online AP Stats class that a self starter could do over the summer? He's mathy and I heard that AP Stats is pretty easy so I'm hoping he could finish it quickly. We thought he would do Edhesive but they're no longer offering stats. Apex is one option, but it's expensive. If we can't find a self paced class for the summer, he'll wait until senior year and do it with PA Homeschoolers. Just thought you all might have a different option that we haven't considered.

    AP Physics Online

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    2 hours ago, regentrude said:

    You do not need to do AP 1 and 2 before doing C. You just need to do mecahnics 1 before e&m

    If he is in BC, I would have him take calc based physics 1 mechanics (which would be AP C mech if he chooses to do it for credit), and then calc based physics 2 electricity&magnetism (AP C e&m).

    ETA: To clarify: if a course is called "engineering physics" that would be the same as "calculus based university physics" or "physics for scientists and engineers". It's not actually engineering specific - it's just the distinction from the algebra based college physics for life science majors

     

    Got it!! Okay, lots to think about here. I'll be going over the options with him this week. Thanks all!!

    AP Physics Online

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    8 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

    If he is taking AoPS calculus now, he should be more than ready to take the AP Physics C courses. My younger took those after AoPS precalculus while my older took them after AoPS calculus. My kids took them during the academic year with PAH a few years ago.

    Interesting. Who did they have as instructors? We were thinking of taking the PAH combined Physics 1/2 class next year but he’s already taking AP Bio, Lang, Psych and Stats. I thought it would be too much. Maybe he does Stats over the summer and one of the Physics classes for the full year? He wants to go pre med and major in Biology. He’s also a total math geek and spends inordinate and obsessive amounts of time on AOPs forums😂. He says he “must” minor in math. So maybe Physics C will scratch the math itch? Trying to figure all of this out.

    AP Physics Online

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    3 hours ago, Farrar said:

    There's also the issue where the level of the coursework can help a student get into a better college even if it doesn't end up counting for the right college credits they need in college. I think that's been alluded to here in various ways, but just spelling it out.

    If you do the Rice course, I'd just get a tutor lined up for a session or two on a tutor service like Wyzant or locally... just so that you know you're covered.

    Very good advice. Thank you!

    AP Physics Online

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    2 hours ago, Roadrunner said:

    Maybe my kids are dumb, but to do a class over the summer and then review before the exam for an AP science course would be a disaster in this house. I just think there is too much time between the course and the exam, even with prep. But this is just based on my experience with my kids. I am amazed children seem to do that with no issues. I don’t want to think about what it implies about my kids. 😉

    Well I wish I could promise success but it may be a crash and burn for us here. He’s pretty confident so I told him he could try. I figure, worst case scenario, we’ll call it Honors Physics and be done. 

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    AP Physics Online

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    50 minutes ago, fourisenough said:

    @happyhome Sorry for jumping in here, but if the goal of taking those AP classes/exams is to earn college credit and not take physics in college, you may want to look into whether that could be problematic for medical school admissions. It’s my understanding that for some med schools, the core pre-requisite classes must be taken at a 4-year university (no CC or AP credit allowed). 
     

    Obviously, solid physics exposure now will make college physics easier if he’s just taking the classes for high school credit.

    This would be only for high school credit. His desire to post good scores is for college admission purposes. He wouldn’t seek college credit.

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    AP Physics Online

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    11 minutes ago, regentrude said:

    Happy to help, but not sure what plan you mean.
    AP 1&2 would be sufficient for a biology major and he wouldn't have to take physics at college.
    I would strongly advise against attempting to take both over the summer.  
    What questions can I help with?

    You just did 🙂 I was wondering if 1 & 2 was too aggressive. Maybe he'll do 1 this summer and 2 next, then. If he does the Giancoli text with the Rice course or maybe Derek Owens alongside, would that prepare him for the AP Physics 1 exam? He wants to work the text on his own, but if he gets confused or stuck, I can't help him so I think he needs some direction/support. He doesn't need a teacher or daily lectures per se. He's a bright kid and a self starter and has always worked asynchronously, but have you seen students successfully self study for the AP Exams? Maybe a full blown course is required?

    AP Physics Online

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    On 5/9/2021 at 9:30 AM, regentrude said:

    Another comment: I saw the Rice course uses the open stax textbook. Do your student a favor and buy a used old edition of a regular text for them to study from..

    OpenStax is free but awful; when I previewed the calc based physics text, I found several severe mistakes within ten minutes of cursory browsing. (They do make corrections for errors that are submitted, so it may have improved somewhat, but real textbooks can be had for under $10.)

    If he decides to do the Rice course, what textbook would you recommend?

    AP Physics Online

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    So after researching Arteem, Rice and UC Scout, I think we're considering UC Scout? Arteem is too expensive for what it is. Rice has good content (if you add the textbook as Regentrude recommended) but with no teacher and a mom that can't help, I think it might get frustrating. UC Scout is asynchronous, comprehensive and a complete course. I guess my only reservation is that if you get a bad teacher assignment, it might be a bust. They say you can change teachers but how does that work in real life? I'm going to give them a call and see. Thanks all and if you think of anything else, please let me know.

    ETA: He hates UC Scout platform so that's out. Back to the drawing board.

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    AP Physics Online

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    On 5/9/2021 at 9:42 AM, regentrude said:

    That is very odd. Students can still apply to many 4 year unis until well into the summer ( July 1 at my school). Are you sure they gave you the correct info?

    I am. Our summer dual enrollment program registers and tests very, very early. The community college isn't great in the sciences anyway so I think an AP would be better for him, at least in Physics. I am having him do Biology at the community college next year just so he can get into a physical lab.

    AP Physics Online

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    On 5/9/2021 at 9:17 AM, regentrude said:

    Just one comment ( you may know this already, but as an academic advisor, I often encounter families who don't):

    AP physics 1 and 2 do not give college credit towards any engineering and science (except biology) majors; those require a calculus based physics course. AP physics 1 and 2 is a great preparation for that.

    He wants to go to medical school. Right now, he's thinking of majoring in Biology. He's only finishing his sophomore year so he has time to change his mind....lol. I need an asynchronous class for him because our community college isn't that great in the sciences and he's taking too many APs next year to add one more. He's asked for AP Physics 1 and 2 this summer out of sheer interest in the subject matter. He did an honors Physics class last year using Conceptual Physics. He loved it, but he's sure he's not an engineer 🙂 He's in the AOPs online Calculus class right now so I think he's got the math he needs for now. I would love your input on a plan Regentrude. Not sure if you remember me, but I'm a humanities mom. Totally out of my comfort zone on this stem walk...lol.

    AP Physics Online

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    26 minutes ago, Farrar said:

    Yeah, they're not right for us either. They're definitely better than many of these purely online based courses where it's software and the "teacher" is a faceless, nameless no one. Like, if someone wants a guided, supported self-study, this is a great option. But if someone wants a "real class" then this is not that.

    It sounds like exactly what he’s looking for. I’ll do some more research.  

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