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Just got it!!!! Thank you so much. I am just now hopping back online after a crazy week. I am going to print out all of the ideas and suggestions and come up with a plan of attack for this guy. I appreciate the information and support.
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Which chapter in the text are they about to start or have started?
They just did the quiz on Chapter 7.1-7.3. Next will be the chapter 7 test. Heaven help us all!!! Lol.
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I cannot TELL you guys how much I appreciate the thoughts on this issue. I have come to a few conclusions. He thinks it is test anxiety and the fact that math is the last class of the day makes the "fear" more intense. He does seem to be struggling with quickly and efficiently dealing with some of the fractions, even though he is fine with the algebraic concepts. He pulled the latest quiz out of his backpack and I am seeing a combination of things. Out of 7 problems 1 was significantly harder than the homework but he tried and 1 was not covered in the section being quizzed, but he should have tacked it and figured it out. The other points off were for things that I can easily address.
We will come up with a plan of attack, but I am trying to figure out if now is a time I should pull back and let him figure some things out, or keep on plugging because he has potential to make some good progress with more help. I may have him repeat the class over the summer. I know he will be sooooo excited about that. Lol!!
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It's 0-395-93776-0Do you have the ISBN for the particular text that they are using?
Thank you all for the insight. I think it's a combination of factors coming together. It's the last of 7 classes in the day and I think his stamina has not built up yet. I really hate to make him do more problems when he is clearly understanding but that might be necessary. Maybe that will help him with speed and confidence. He will definitely be reminded to write down every single thing that comes out of the teacher's mouth.
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What do you feel made the test questions more difficult than the homework questions?
You noted your dc knows what to do...but can he explain the why on the problems he missed on the test?
I need to get the tests back so I can give some examples, but the best way to describe it is that the homework problems work out neatly. This gives a kind of a reassurance along the way that you are on the right track. But, the test questions aren't like that. One of the exams was so tedious that it took me 2 hours to complete. Lol!!! But, he needs to be able to tackle it, if this is the expectation. It's just such a bummer to see his grade in the red, when I know I sent him in with the skills to do what had been assigned.
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I would discuss with your ds how he is experiencing the tests - does the time limit stress him out, does he have good skills for a timed test situation, are there distractions in the classroom, how does he approach problems where he at first can't see a path to the solution, etc.
I wonder too if there is something about the wording of the problems that trips him up - are they clear, or are they somewhat confusing or able to be interpreted several ways? If there is an issue like that, does he know how to clarify it with the teacher mid-test?
Another option is to see if the teacher has the EasyPlanner software for the textbook, and if so whether she would be willing to share the challenge pages and/or the Test C tests contained therein. (Or, if appropriate, find a copy of your own.) The text is designed to be used at three levels - basic, average, and advanced. There are worksheets and tests at all three levels (called A, B, C, respectively). There is also a challenge page for each lesson, which takes the material a wee bit farther yet. You could use these pages as practice for the tests. Obviously, this does not solve the problem of the tests being out of sync with the teaching/homework, and it would take quite a bit more time, but it would be a DIY approach to consider.
I would inquire whether the teacher is using the homework assignments recommended for the basic, average, or advanced level, or something of her own devising. Perhaps the homework is not challenging enough to match the tests.
We once had a teacher who did the opposite - taught her own material then used the textbook exams. That was simple to fix - dd studied the textbook material thoroughly regardless of whether the teacher had introduced it in class. Your situation is the opposite, and thus that much harder.
Thank you so much! This is very helpful--I will look into it.
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I wish I knew the grade distribution, but the teacher did send out an email today offering tutoring for those who made below a 60 on the last test. She mentioned that students were seeing this topic for the first time that and some had struggled with it. They are solving linear systems using graphing, substitution, and combining.
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He leaves home thinking he's ready and then comes back crushed. It's so hard to see. I would get a tutor, but I feel comfortable doing it myself. And if it's something like testing anxiety, I don't think tutoring would help. We can't figure out how to move forward.
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I brought the tests home and redid every single question with him and some of them he should have gotten but many of them were significantly more difficult than those assigned as homework. I think he may look at the first few that don't work out as he anticipated and then he just kind of gives up on the ones that he could have done.
Being the independent spirit that I am, I just want to pull him out and take him home, happily doing math togetherness for a few more years, but I'm thinking since I work there that might not be the best idea. Lol!!!
Sorry--meant to add by homemade I mean, either she made them herself or another teacher made them. And I'm on my phone so maybe lots of typos. Lol!!
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My kiddos have always homeschooled, but this year I took a position teaching in a great classical school in our area. I love teaching my sweet little fourth grade class, but my own children have had a huge adjustment!!! The main issues have been math and Latin. I will spare you all of the Latin drama, but I am hoping to get some insight on the math issue.
My 8th grader placed into Algebra 1. As a homeschooler he did Singapore 1-6A. Then a year of AOPS pre-A. He has mathematical reasoning abilities and of course has the mental math down. The school uses holt mcdougal (Larson) Algebra 1. I love working with him in the evenings because we have done math together for over a decade. Every evening I do the homework with him. He gets it. He knows exactly what to do and can tell me what I did wrong when we get different answers. We race. Sometimes he beats me. (I have a pretty strong math background). I have no concerns whatsoever when we are doing the homework assignments. He demonstrates mastery of the concepts that are assigned. And gets 100s on homework. Then he makes a "D" on almost every single test. I requested a look at the previous tests and they are homemade. He does better on the quizzes which appear to be from the publisher.
We have got to get a handle on this as he certainly can't move forward with a "D" in Algebra. Last semester he pulled off a C because of his homework grade but his test grades were abysmal. Any thoughts or ideas??? Thx
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Checking in, how is kiddo doing?
Aww! Thanks for checking. He went to school for 3 hours this morning and needed to head home. I spoke with the school and they said no worries at all. We could do whatever we need to in order to get him feeling better. I was offered a leave of absence if necessary. So we are going to get him back in to see the surgeon, who only sees patients on Thursday and then make some decisions. Im hoping his is just one of those little bodies that takes a little more time to heal.
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Wow! If my guy makes it to school this week, I am sure he will be doing absolutely nothing else--he will be too wiped out. And the make up work!!!! I can't even imagine.
I would go back to the surgeon for the pain. Not the pediatrician. My son had the lapriscopic procedure, but had complications. He was hospitalized for 8 days. The next week he started school with 2 hours and worked his way back to full days. He would call when he was tired. By the next week he was back at school full time but he could do nothing else. He would come home and sleep for hours.
A friend who was a dr told me that because of the complication it would take 3+ months for my son to be back to normal and not to schedule anything extra. No sleep overs, no hikes, no walks, nothing. He needed rest. And sure enough at around the three month mark he bounced back.
That being said, when he was released from the hospital he had no pain. He was just tired.
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My goodness--how scary. I will keep watching closely!
I would take him back in to check for infection. My son at 14 yo had a ruptured appendix and after spending 3 weeks in the hospital they released him. About 10 days after he was exhausted, in pain, sick...I came home from the store one day to find him passed out on the floor. He had an infection so we got him back in. I always wish I would have taken him back sooner and not waited as he ended up on strong medication from an IV at home due to sepsis. I would say it doesn't hurt to be cautious.
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Thank you all so much for the info and ideas. Our plan is to hang out around the house until Monday morning and call the surgeon's office at 8:00am, unless things get worse. It's been a real mess. He still looks really pale, but has not been as miserable this afternoon.
In a strange twist, we realized that the surgeon is the same surgeon who recently did a lumpectomy on my mom. He told her she could go back to cross fit training 3 days later. She ended up having the procedure done multiple times with a drain placed in weeks later. Her recovery ended up taking 8 weeks. 😱 So I'm thinking although he is a surgeon, perhaps he has never actually had surgery. :)
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I think you are right. In the past three months he's had a major respiratory infection that flared his asthma, a concussion and appendicitis. As well as a new school and routine. So maybe he's just going to be a slow recovery.
Follow up with the surgeon. The person taking him needs to describe: he can't sit for X min/hours without pain, he has pain doing Y, he can't eat/drink Z, he has this other symptom, he goes to the bathroom ...
It could be he's a slow healer, has nerve pain, or other problems. I assume you are giving him pain meds?
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This really helps. That's not been his experience at all, so must be something else going on. I was expecting a "no big deal" recovery so what he's going through has really thrown me off.
My ds had this when he was about 8 (he's 12 now). That does not sound normal. He didn't have the surgical scar (they were able to do it laparoscopically), but his appendix did burst and he had infection all throughout his abdomen. After about a week, he was almost back to normal. The antibiotics were worse than the actual surgery. Same thing with dh. After he stopped taking the antibiotics, he was pretty good to go.
We've had a lot of surgeries in this house with kids. We've never had what you are describing three weeks post op. I would see your pediatrician or follow up with the surgeon.
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My husband took him to the post op with the surgeon and was told he could "do what he felt like doing." I guess to us that meant he was ready to start getting back to normal activities. Being a man of few words, hubby just took that and didn't ask any questions. We knew he was getting an additional week because of fall break, so didn't really have any concerns at that time. On Wednesday, I started realizing that he wasn't improving steadily after we went for a walk and he was miserable. On Friday, I thought it would be easier and quicker to go see the pediatrician but was intercepted by the nurse. :) But, after how things went last night, I will call back and insist. :( it's so hard to get off from work!!!! Makes me really miss homeschooling!!!
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My 8 yo ds had an open appendectomy almost 3 weeks ago. The surgeon could not do the laparoscopic procedure, so he has about a four inch incision. At 10 days post op the surgeon released him to do "whatever he feels like doing." The problem is he feels like doing absolutely nothing. After being released, he returned to school for a half day and it went horribly. He left in extreme pain and tears after 2 hours. I was not too concerned because that started a week long fall break and I assumed surely after an additional week off he would be up to returning.
Unfortunately, he is still not feeling well and Monday the break is over. He does ok for about an hour and then is completely wiped out and in tears.
Ive never dealt with absences and stuff because we've always homeschooled, but this year I am teaching at and he is attending a small classical school. I called the pediatrician about his lack of stamina and asked for further clarification. I was told by the nurse that, I didn't need to come into the office (or talk to the doctor) and that there was no reason whatsoever for him to miss any additional school over the issue and therefore no excused absences.
I am completely at a loss. We tried getting out yesterday and he lasted a few minutes before he was aching all over with a headache and chest pain from asthma. He could barely get back to the car, pale and shaking. His surgical sight was still hurting. He's a very healthy, fit athletic child, other than asthma and allergies (which are at their worse).
I just don't know how to proceed. He certainly doesn't seem like he can make it through an 8 hour school day which is extended by 2 hours because he is a teacher's kid. :(
Is this in the realm of a normal recovery? If I compare it to my only abdominal surgery (a c section) he would be due a little more time. He really doesn't seem to be "milking it." Any thoughts? What he describes sounds just like the flu, but no fever.
Thanks for listening.
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Very gentle stretching with lots of ice packs. Ice can be a miracle when applied early and often!
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Could you just hire a tutor to help him do maths and you help with homework at night?
We may end up going that route just through PreA then he can do the WTMA algebra course next year. 😄
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Would you be available to help if he took the evening courses? I don't think putting him in the Saxon local classes would be a good fit if he has never done Saxon and he loves AoPS.
Yes! I will be available to help nights and weekends and we could hire a a friend of my husband's, who teaches high school math, as a tutor.
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January will bring some major changes in our homeschool as I transition back to working outside of the home. We are working out the details for my 7th grader using a combination of online, independent, and in-person classes at a local classical school. The only hang up is math. He is currently using AOP Pre-algebra and loves it. He's not a math genius and does have to work at it. Right now we do it together. Step-by-step: textbook section; videos; exercises; alcumus. It works with me right there, but I don't know if he would manage all the pieces without me.
Ideally, I could find a self-paced AOPS course for him to follow. That doesn't seem to be available. I would LOVE to place him in the WTMA AOPS class, but it's full for spring registrants. 😞
I only see three other options. The first option, I could put him in the AOPS online courses. There are a few starting in January. I hate that the courses are at night and I'm concerned whether it would move so fast that he would be discouraged. He's VERY good at math and enjoys the strategy/logic aspects, but might be a little slow compared to a student who is gifted in math.
The second option would be scrapping the whole idea of AOPS and doing another online course (something like Derrick Owens maybe).
The third option would be putting him in the math class at the classical school, but it's saxon with kids who have done Saxon since kindergarten and I just don't know if that would be in some ways soul-crushing as he's always had short and sweet math assignments.
Any other ideas? Could he possibly handle AOPS online, especially since he will be reviewing the first three chapters? Are there any other good live online classes or self-paced courses for kids with a singapore math background?
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