It isn't going to change anything, because the number of staff leaving over vaccine requirements (which are true, inflexible "requirements" in only a very few states) is far smaller than than the number of staff leaving due to burnout, entitled patients, and lack of public support.

I'm very sorry. As a side PSA, the Infectious Disease doc in my circle is saying that protection from Delta really requires 3-shots, ESP (!!) for anyone >60. ETA: the messaging....all I can add here is that my own doctor's practice has stopped even TALKING about the Covid vaccine, due to the excessive number of times patients have (fill in the blank, really...........basically, become abusive/enraged/ranted/refused to back down, etc) have resulted in providers not being willing to engage around it. Instead, they have signs up all over the practice about the vaccine. But they won't mention it. (I know this because I asked my provider about it after my kids and I all had our annual checkups and the Covid vaccine topic was never asked/raised). So....definitely does not help the messaging. Not that I can really blame the providers. Our wonderful health care system has doctors on a 14-minute-per-visit schedule & they can't afford to waste the time. ETA2: BTW, he says the actual CFR (Case Fatality Rate) of Delta for those over 60 (I think it was 60...he might have said 65) is 11%....and that includes the # of vaccinated breakthroughs, so the actual CFR for the unvaccinated in this age group is undoubtedly higher. (CFR is # of deaths/# of infections)

Cincinnati. The conference was related to health (healthy people, healthy agriculture, healthy planet). I just assumed that the crowd would be….fairly amenable to masking. Hoo boy, um……NO.

Actually, it's probably more like hundreds of thousands. The US has lost nearly 200,000 people since mid-June, the point at which vaccines were widely available for nearly everyone (in the US). Separate topic: I was just at a work conference in southern OH. Maybe 5 of us were masked out of a crowd of ~200. Bars, restaurants....all full, no masks. OH hospitals being slammed. Yes, it's dystopian. I left halfway through the day at the conference. I have too many hospital-based HCWs in my family/friends to not be angry over how they are being used & abused. Expected to keep working routine 60+-hour INTENSE-work weeks (all short-staffed) to take care of people who can't be bothered to give a shit. And these same people show up at the ER, disbelieving that they are actually REALLY sick, all wanting a miracle to be performed, almost all abusive with their magical incantations (of protocols, prayers, accusations, etc) when one isn't forthcoming. But I do my best to not put energy into it anymore. All I know, with a steely-eyed determination, is that I will do everything possible to ensure that my family & I come out unharmed & fully healthy, long after this virus has disposed of & disabled a significant chunk of the human population. (And, yes, I feel really bad for the vulnerable who can't do enough by themselves to fully protect themselves. But I don't know how to help them in this cluster-f*ck of a society.)

I'd like a specific citation for the Vandana quote, as I have read her extensively (& heard her speeches) and this type of quote is unlike her focus (I've never heard anything similar), and I was unable to find anything that attributed such to her with a solid google search. My guess is that it's internet bullshit, forwarded. Likewise, there are many quotes that have been attributed to Thomas Jefferson which he never actually said. That's why it's necessary to supply a citation when directly quoting someone.

Michigan is getting lots of Covid press now but I have family in Ohio and it’s rapidly turning into carnage there…OH had more than 9500 new cases yesterday (they’ve hit at or over 8,000/day for the past few days) and hospitalizations are the highest they’ve ever been.

They exist. Just not in the United States.

Merck's Covid-19 pill significantly less effective in new analysis But there's still the Pfizer one.....

You’ll never convince me that race didn’t play an enormous factor in this. I can’t imagine a Black man ever being handed that light of a sentence for multiple rapes.

The stories I’m hearing from my HCW extended family/contacts are almost unbelievable…. the amount of abuse (physical, verbal, emotional) being thrown at HCWs right now is INSANE. Much of it is from unvaxxed people* (or their family members) who end up needing the hospital. They are usually entitled and enraged. My cousin recently had a family member (of an admitted unvaxxed person) throw a phone at her head for a 20-min delay in delivering water (another patient was coding). She is routinely yelled at, demeaned, accused of everything nefarious, and told what she should be doing/giving/etc (BTW, she says about half of her patients admit to self-treating with ivermectin before ending up at the hospital**, so so much for the wonder drug….). Staffing levels are truly dangerous almost everywhere (especially with nurses), more staff are constantly leaving or looking to leave, and so many nurses are traveling that there’s a dearth of experienced teams who know their hospital and how to work with their coworkers. From what I hear, you really want to avoid ending up in the hospital right now. I’m convinced our health care system is in the early stages of collapse. And now we’re facing a fourth wave. *The remaining abuse comes from the mentally ill population and just jerks in general. **This also means that they delay coming to the hospital, which then means it’s too late for them to receive the antibodies when they do come. Which makes me wonder how much the new antiviral pills (which I believe are also time-sensitive) are gonna help these people.

This. With the hot housing market, it is not uncommon for top realtors to be overloaded. The ones with clarity (& a lot of integrity) will turn away clients when they reach that point (I literally just had a realtor turn us down, about a month ago, when we approached her about helping us in a very hot market); others will just continue to take on clients & under serve them. There can also be conflicts of interest if a realtor has too many clients bidding on the same house, but not every realtor will admit to that. We went to a 2nd top realtor, who has been good, but I can tell he is borderline overwhelmed and service is spotty sometimes. An overwhelmed agent also means that potential buyers/buying agents for your house will be getting slower service, delayed return calls, possibly disorganized tracking, etc. So sometimes it's better to get a realtor who's a little hungrier, a little lower down that the top dogs, right now. Or at least find out what kind of actual DAILY help the realtor has from support staff.

OTOH, several actual studies show that the percentage of long-haulers is between 20% - 35% of all those infected.The US has had ~46 million cases of Covid, so 11 million could well be accurate. A recent study involving 2 million Covid patients found that 23% sought treatment a month or more after diagnosis. Another study (quoted at the bottom of this article) found that 33% of Covid patients who had never been hospitalized still continued to have long Covid symptoms. This study showed that 19% were affected. There are other studies as well, I'm just out of time to look them up.

I agree with you but I think few pro-life politicians (or many of the people who elect them) would.

We’ll, the laws - with their extreme punishments - are reality. I’m not sure that your wide variety of beliefs (however well-intentioned) will matter to the women who suffer the effects of these laws.

Yes, most pro-lifers are quite proud of their extremism. Which is, again, how we end up with the stated laws.

So both men and women will now be punished for abortions? And please explain how your reasoning applies to rape and incest victims.

And this kind of extremist reasoning is EXACTLY how we end up with vigilantes being rewarded for turning in underage incest victims for an abortion.

We’ll, you could perhaps ask the pro-life Governor of Florida why he recently vetoed a bill that would have provided long-term contraceptives for low-income or poor women in his state.

I don’t care what you or any other pro-lifers believe. I care what LAWS and punishments are enacted and enforced on women by pro-life people. Your “warm fuzzies” mean zilch in the real world. Although I’d love to see pro-lifers protesting these draconian laws that they swear they don’t support.

Yes, the true desired end result has been the control and punishment of women.

This is the natural end result of the pro-life movement. And don’t bullshit me that it’s not. I’ve watched in my lifetime the endless moving of the goalposts to today, where incest and rape victims getting abortions can be turned in by anonymous vigilantes (for rewards) and women go to jail for miscarriage. And the pro-life movement is silent (read: supportive) about all of it.

@Mrs Tiggywinkle@brehon You might find this thread at r/nursing (Reddit) validating. (side note: this is a "Code Blue" thread, meaning OP & commentors have been verified by mods as being HCWs) It's not worth the breath it takes to respond to a dedicated anti-vaxxer. You'd think the fact that ~2,000 people die every day of Covid (the vast majority unvaccinated), that ~25% of Delta Covid survivors have at least one long-hauler symptom, that dozens of Covid Go Fund Me pages are up at any one time, etc etc might open minds, but it doesn't. So be it. Humans are not magically above natural selection, and that's what is happening now.

What’s typical and tedious is you refusing to answer any of the many questions people have asked you and endlessly hiding behind “you called me a racist!!” and/or endlessly repeating your circular arguments.

In your opinion.