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I *thought* that SAT2 demonstrates a student's readiness for college level work, whereas the AP demonstrates mastery of the same course (with potential placement out of the course). Am I mistaken? A lot of people here prepare the same way for SAT 2 as they prepare for an AP exam. Does that mean the two tests are just as demanding? That doesn't make sense to me... surely I'm missing something. Can someone please explain? Can one plan and study for the SAT2 exams without having to do a full blown AP course (and expect to do well)? Thanks for any help! Robin
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I don't know... I'm pretty solidly in the "review grammar every year" camp. Which is why I think the workbook might be fine - how much time could that take every day? I much prefer R&S up until now, though (for instruction). I actually prefer it all the way through but I need something that will get the job done with little involvement from me.
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I think it is the other way around. SHe recommended ABeka in the first edition, and now recommends Rod and Staff. She didn't recommend R&S earlier because they had not completed their 9th and 10th grade course and she didn't want to recommend an incomplete program that she wouldn't have had an opportunity to see in its entireity before publication of her recommendation. How's that for a run on? LOL I love R&S but am thinking about switching to Abeka for high school because I think we'd do better with a workbook... ETA: I think the reason she recommends R&S now is because she likes their writing instruction better.
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Now that math is settled... and yes, I did search the board for this info and couldn't find the threads... After the long conversation (earlier in the week) over Ecce vs. Cambridge vs. Oxford, I've settled on going back to my original plan which is either henle or wheelocks with lingua latina reading on the side. I was able to get my hands on both cambridge and oxford a couple of days ago and I just didn't like them as much as I like wheelocks, and dd happens to like henle so I think I'll just add the reading component to one of those traditional texts. Question: Knowing that I'll be using this as a reading supplement for the purpose of enjoying an engaging story which will hopefully keep us more faithful in our latin studies (and hopefully preparing us better for future latin reading), what do you recommend I purchase: I will for sure get the actual text/reader and the college companion. Do I need: - Latine Disco? - Grammatica Latina? - Exercitia Latina? - Colloquia Personarum? - Teacher's Materials and Answer Keys? So many components!! What are the must haves? Thanks again, all! Robin
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Yes, that is very helpful. I understand better now. I guess I was getting worried about there being more than one "fourth edition" out there and didn't know if the lectures for the edition that the DVDs were made for actually lined up with the chapters of *all* fourth editions (or do the lectures line up with only one certain book).
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I'm sorry for being so difficult and dense... the book you just linked me to is a little different than the earlier link you gave me. Before, you linked me to this edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...9077823&sr=1-1 But you are saying you have this one: http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Alg.../ref=pd_cp_b_2 Are they the same but different covers? It's the first ISBN that I'm running into problems with (many are teacher's annotated versions) Thanks again, Robin
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Oh, thank you all so very, very much!! One last question... are we certain the solutions guide is the right one? I see that it has a copyright date of 2003/2004 but the book and dvds are 2007/2008? If someone has these and can check and confirm that they match up even though the dates don't, that would be great! Does the solutions guide give solutions to all problems or just the odds or just the evens or something like that? What about tests and chapter reviews, etc? P.S. I put that ISBN (for the solutions guide) into Barnes and Noble and the solutions guide that came up is published by Cengage, not HM. Odd numbered problems only. Does that sound right??? Also, the ISBM for the textbook is a Cengage 2007 text. Here is a link to a fourth edition Larson Elementary Algebra which is published by HM. Are we sure that the DVDs everyone ordered match up with the textbooks? http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Algebra-Fourth-Hostetler-Patrick/dp/0618753877/ref=pd_cp_b_2 P.P.S. I am also seeing that the ISBN for the textbook is showing up as an instructor's annotated edition with all answers. Can someone help clarify? Thanks again so much!!
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Jackie, have you actually used these DVDs? Are they Dr. Mosely? I'm wondering how many lectures (or number of lecture hours) are on the DVDs. Is there a lecture for every lesson? Why am I scared to order something without knowing for sure what it is? I would feel better if I could get a little feedback from someone who has actually gone this route and felt they got the real deal... Thanks so much! Robin
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Chalkdust Prealgebra was a hit, worked well, dd loves Prof. Mosely, wants to stick with the program. I just don't know if we can afford it... Not sure I want to take money out of savings just for math, but I'm afraid NOT to do that, kwim? Sigh... will keep my eyes open for used but in the meantime, what would you recommend if I really can't go the expensive route for math? Or do you recommend I skimp in other areas and make sure we stick with the math that we know works for us (especially algebra sequence). Brain is spinning, as I never thought I'd have to consider math texts again (thought we'd found our math for life!! :). Now here I am, needing to order something and I haven't been paying attention to algebra threads whatsoever. Thanks, Robin
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Yes, there is a new edition to the Algebra I text. There is nothing on the website about it yet. Unfortunately, the solutions manual for the older edition is backordered and likely to go out of print. If you want a solutions manual, you have to buy the newer edition, which is fine, except that the solutions manual coveres odd numbered problems only. I've asked if there is an answer key available for the even numbered problems, but I won't have an answer till next week. Robin
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American history movies
Robin in Tx replied to In The Great White North's topic in High School and Self-Education Board
Adding to what others have already listed: 1. Newsies (Disney musical). Our theatre group just performed this and it was very entertaining and educational. For when you get to turn of the century child labor issues. Historical fiction set to fun music and dancing. 2. When we hit WWII next time, we will be watching "Life is Beautiful." Not specifically American history but a nice balance to other holocaust films. Lots of others I can't think of off the top of my head... may write more later. Good luck! Robin -
There is no way we can afford this right now, but it has piqued my curiosity. I received the sample DVD and had a much more positive reaction than I expected to have... Just curious if anyone here has experience with it. Could you use this as a supplement to writing instruction, or is it so demanding (time wise) that it would be difficult to add to it? It seems to be much more than writing, actually not a writing course at all but an in depth course on the structure of the novel. What sort of credit would you give for completing the course? A literature credit? I'd love to hear from someone who has actually used this and get their feedback. The program is professionally put together with well organized, high quality marketing. The company will be at our convention next week. As a side note, I'd appreciate well wishes/prayers that something comes around soon for my husbands work/income so that I won't have to consider putting dd in school and going back to work full time. Right now I'm working part time out of the house and utilizing DVD courses as much as possible (which is why I looked at the One Year Novel to begin with), but something's going to have to give one way or the other soon... have had to drop all outside courses/lessons including violin which was very hard to do. Robin
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Oxford, Cambridge, Ecce Romani
Robin in Tx replied to Robin in Tx's topic in High School and Self-Education Board
Thank you for all the responses. Sorry I'm so late in responding but I've been working summer camps. Based on all said here, I guess I would choose either Cambridge or Ecce, probably Cambridge. But I don't like cumbersome teacher manuals and I don't want to have to stay on top of whether or not we're learning the grammar, so here I am again... blowing in the wind and thinking about using something like Cambridge or Lingua Latina (yet again!) simply as a reading course and combine it with a traditional grammar based program. But do I really want to schedule two programs when I have trouble enough doing one???? We tried Henle but it didn't work for us. Just isn't organized (visually?) as I like and although I thought the christian content would be a plus, I ended up tiring of it... perhaps it didn't feel as approachable as I needed it to be, and picking it up every day felt more and more like a chore. The problem with Wheelocks (imo) is that I don't like using college texts with younger kids (14), for a variety of reasons - content, lack of sufficient exercises/review, etc. The reason I want the reading element is I believe we will be more consistent in our latin studies if we were to enjoy some sort of anticipation in the story line. I think the story will make a big difference to us. I wonder if adding the story will make Henle more palatable, or if switching to Wheelocks (or something else? what else is there?) would still be in order. Too bad Latin in the New Millennium is so EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!! No way can I spend that kind of money. Thanks again to all... you've given me a lot to think about. The ability to make a decision is my weakness. You should see me in a cafeteria line. It's all I can do to keep from hyperventilating when faced with all those choices and a line of customers pressing behind me! Robin -
Will I ever make up my mind about latin???????????? I have spent the entire day searching threads and reviews. I've about decided we'll try the reading approach next year, not the g/t approach, and not the immersion approach (Lingua Latina - was leaning that way but am for some reason backing off now... can't put my finger on it... ). I can't get my hands on Ecce to compare. I saw Cambridge and Oxford used and really liked the stories and graphics. I particularly liked Oxford, but wasn't able to spend much time comparing it to Cambridge. Oxford did seem to have more interesting stories about the culture and mythology. Can someone please make this easy for me and tell me which of the three have the most engaging stories?? Which, if any, stick to a fictionalized story line? Thanks! Sorry I pop in and ask questions and don't ever have time to "give back" these days. Working outside the home part time... I miss everyone! Robin
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Hey all, my dh was laid off this year and the new job's insurance won't cover one of his meds that is expensive (Celebrex). We're paying out of pocket which is expensive... we can get three month's supply from Canada for what one month costs in the states. We've heard that you have to be careful who you order from, though. We've heard some online pharmacies sell diluted drugs, etc. Any experience with this? Any online pharmacy that you recommend/trust? Thanks for any feedback. It's a shame we have to resort to this but finances are what they are... Robin
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Christian Classical Educator or D. Sayers follower?
Robin in Tx replied to iwka's topic in General Education Discussion Board
It is my understanding that Aquinas was sent to university as an adolescent where his exposure to Aristotle greatly influenced his philosophy. Augustine was a pagan well into his 30s and studied (and taught) rhetoric all during that time. Jerome... well, there's another one who lived during the 3rd or 4th century and while we do know that he studied under roman grammarians, it certainly wasn't the educational model of the medeival church. These men were clearly not all educated the exact same way. But content is the same. Grammar. Logic(philosophy). Rhetoric. The trivium. Whether you like Sayer's recommendations or not, the truth is that we are still teaching grammar, logic and rhetoric even if we think in terms of grammar stage, logic stage, rhetoric stage. Even the greats did it in that order... they didn't study rhetoric before they studied grammar. the mastering of language and right thinking is the systematic mastering of the trivium. And it is a handy model for mastering other subjects, too. Learning how the subject is symbolized, how it works, and then how it is expressed/communicated. That's how we learn math. That's how we learn music. All we've done is taken what we know about how to master language, recognized that it is relevant to other disciplines and figured outa way to apply that systematic method. I don't believe that there hasn't been any great ideas since ancient times. I believe we benefit from those before us, and stand on their shoulders, even in the field of clasiscal education. I believe there are still things to learn,and improvements to be made. I believe great thinkers live, it's just thatwe will not recognize them as "fathers" of a 2000 year old faith. I see a lot of what goes on in classical ed circles who want to cling to anything ancient and disregard anything modern as myopic, refusing to move forward. It's almost always self serving, btw - someone in the business of convincing the public that their way is the "more" classical way. Sorry, we're all neo classical. No one is recreating ancient rome in their homes. And no one is studying latin because it's a spoken language (do you think the romans would have studied latin if their mother tongue was something different? do you think the medieval church universities would have taught latin if the scriptures had been translated into german instead of latin?) The point is there was a need to know latin. We are the only educators in the history of pursuing the trivium who are teaching latin when we don't really have to. We could study our own grammar and master it, just like the romans did. I'm not so sure I agree about the latin centered approach. Latin is not what makes an education classical. The trivium is. Latin is a tool, it's not one of the arts. And I think you can master grammar, logic and rhetoric without knowing any latin at all. Latin just makes it a richer experience. That was a tangent. Sorry!- 103 replies
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Hey all, I'm trying to decide if I need to invest in the newest WTM... would only need it for high school. Significant loss of income this year (dh laid off), so I'm having to be extra careful with my homeschooling budget. I'll buy the book if it will make a difference, but if it's primarily an update on resources only, I might have to pass until next year. I have the original version, and you can tell it is well loved, well worn. Replacing it would feel like replacing a well read bible. Just doesn't feel right, kwim? :) So, what's the verdict? What's different about the new WTM (especially the high school portion)? Thanks, Robin
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Voite: BJU DVD - Spanish or French?
Robin in Tx replied to Robin in Tx's topic in High School and Self-Education Board
Thanks, Janice. That is helpful!! Good to "see" you again, Robin -
Hi everyone, I want to get a couple of BJU's titles on DVD, and it appears to be a better bargain if I buy a full grade level and then resell the books I don't need... the full level comes with a foreign language component. Choices are Spanish and French. Might as well get it since it will be free! I'm leaning towards Spanish since we are in Texas, but perhaps French would be better choice since we don't have as many local resources for tutoring. I think I'll go with whichever one the Hive Mind says is the better course :) Robin
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I'm confused about something. I know that Apologia recommends doing Biology during the same year a student takes Algebra I, but what about the year they do geometry? If you follow the Alg I, Geometry, Alg II sequence, and if you take Biology during Algebra I and Chemistry during Algebra II, then what science are you supposed to take during Geometry? Robin