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3 hours ago, kbutton said:
My success with people in my family with EF issues is 1.5 for 3. The person has to want to live with less chaos and has to be able to recognize help and helpful strategies. If that is in place, some of the resources listed might help.
Expect it to take a long time. Be straightforward, and expect that language is going to be an issue. ADHD is genetic, so they might think they are more normal than they are. Additionally, one potential EF problem is not being able to see cause and effect or learn from it at all.
It would help to know what the work environment is like. In some cases, not noticing what needs to done and being able to prioritize is a deal breaker, and at other times a checklist and running through real scenarios is enough (over time, not as a one and done solution). Even learning to use checklists though will still be like trying to run a marathon on a prosthetic leg vs. a real one.
The people in my house that are the hardest to get through to say things like, “It’s so hard hard to remember what not to do.” In reality, they just need to remember what TO DO, which is always a much, much shorter list. I think they literally believe that’s too simple and feel a compulsion to deviate. Sometimes they are just bored by doing things in a simple, straightforward way or adhering to any kind of routine. Additionally, somehow these people come up with endless new ways to do something novel and utterly counterproductive and truly don’t see that they are avoiding sound strategies. If it’s not bright and shiny, you can’t make them want it.
I wish I could be more helpful, but the downside of living with the afflicted and then reproducing people with his DNA who have these issues bit me in the rear this morning before I even got out of bed. I am so over it and ready to let the debilitated occupy their own chaotic planet instead of earth.
Good luck. I hope my space cadet kid gets a boss that cares. Bless your DH for trying.
What I'm hearing from you and others is that this will be a long term effort. This employee will only be in dh's office for maybe 6-9 more months. Are there any strategies that might help short term? Dh has had the employee make his own checklist for a project that repeats monthly, but it hasn't been productive.
I'll look for the book Smart But Scattered in the library. Would it be offensive if I were to pick up a copy for the young man? (I realize it's somewhat person dependant as to whether it would be offensive, but is it something people who struggle with EF would easily be offended by?) Or is there a book written specifically for adults who struggle with EF?
Thank you all for the ideas. @Arcadia, thanks for tagging people.
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48 minutes ago, historically accurate said:
Some things that popped up when I googled "how to be a boss to people with executive function disorder":
I debated about googling first, but as I have very limited knowledge about EF, I was hoping someone knowledgeable about it might know which articles are better.
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My sister uses a monthly subscription for heavy chewers for her dog. She said she was able to choose hard or soft chew toys and has been very happy with what she's received. They've included puzzles and balls. I don't know the name of it, but I can ask if you're interested.
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Dh has a very nice young man working for him that causes dh immense amounts of frustration. The young man is in his 30's, but acts more like our kids in their 20's. Based on examples dh's given me (unable to organize what needs to be done, isn't able to prioritize tasks, doesn't recognize how long tasks will take, among other things), I think he may struggle with executive function issues. I believe he may also have adhd (based on things he's told dh.) I would like to provide dh some information so dh can manage his own expectations and possibly help/scaffold the young man.
Do you have any articles that define executive function and offer suggestions specifically for the workplace I could send him? I'm not looking for something dh can share with the young man, but rather info specifically for dh. Thank you.
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8 hours ago, katilac said:
A principal will have their phone with them far more often than they will be in quick reach of the intercom system.
An emergency app alerts people both on and off of the campus.
It's a matter of planning for the best scenario, because you can never cover all of the bases. The deaf students won't hear the intercom, for example, and the intercom won't notify anyone off campus.
I know nothing about the particular app in question, but both of my kids' colleges had emergency alert apps. They are one layer of protection, not the only layer of protection, but they were great for providing specifics and updates.
Luckily, most alerts were for weather dangers and such, but one of the campuses did have a 'gun on campus' alert once, when the city police chased a stolen car to the edge of campus, and the thief jumped out of the car and onto campus with a gun {that he apparently then dumped into at trash can as quickly as possible}. It was good to know that the alerts did go out in a potential situation, that they went out quickly, and that very specific updates were provided.
The article referenced a report, so I clicked through and skimmed that article a bit. According to the report, the app is part of their official emergency alert system, and the principal did set it off. Not everyone got it, but how is that the principal's fault? If she was not in a room where she could use the intercom system, I wouldn't expect her to move locations in an active shooter situation when she had already set off the official emergency alert system. I will be interested to see whether using the intercom in addition to the emergency alert system was protocol, and, if so, under what conditions.
The click-through article also referenced the report as stating that some staff who did get the alert did not respond quickly, because the school had 47 alerts from February to the May 24 shooting, either 'secure' or 'lockdown' alerts. That's an alert every 2-3 days!
90% of the alerts were from what they call bailouts: police chase cars bc they suspect undocumented immigrants are inside, the drivers intentionally crash the car and go off in different directions. Nothing has ever happened at the school due to a bailout.
So, yeah, this was a cluster all around, but it annoys the hell out of me when the report (or the article referencing the report) tries to place the actions of civilians on a par with those of trained, armed, and armored law enforcement officers. The principal did not use the intercom, but she did use the sanctioned emergency alert system. Some staff didn't take the alert seriously at first, but they had heard false alarms every 2-3 days for months. Some teachers did prop doors open, but that had no bearing on the outcome that day.
The level of responsibility and competency teachers and coaches and admins should have for school shooter situations is such an insane conversation to be having. When proposed solutions are for primary schools to mimic medium-security prisons, we have lost the point entirely.
I understand and agree with using the app. However, as a substitute teacher who is specifically told by the school district that I shouldn't be using my phone at all while at school and who likely wouldn't be on an app, it scares me. I could hear and immediately react to something over the intercom, but I would otherwise be relying on other teachers to notify me, teachers who would be trying to contain their own class and might not be able to call me on the classroom phone immediately. (I do use my phone during the day and have been figuring out how to have it on me way all times. I have many long term jobs and info is passed via text frequently.)
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36 minutes ago, Slache said:
They haven't looked at it yet.
How frustrating! We have a body shop not too far from us (I think we're in the same city) we've used several times if you need another recommendation
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@Melissa Louise Are you safe?
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2 minutes ago, Corraleno said:
It's funny that the interviewer asks the audience how many people could learn "307 math topics," like that's something only a genius could do, when she's talking about a level of math that virtually all of the audience would have covered in HS.
I thought she did a very good job of interviewing her and smoothing over awkward moments. I thought I saw a few eye rolls, though. I wondered if she really wanted to do the interview while I was watching it.
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27 minutes ago, Tree Frog said:
I'm curious how her being an adopted foster child fits into this and how it might affect her as she moves into her teens.
I quoted myself because she wasn't apparently a foster child. In op's link, she said "Statistics would have said I never would have made it. A little black girl adopted from Fontana California."
In this link, she was born to her parents. Alena Wicker was born to her beloved parents in the United States in 2009. Since Alena was a little child, her mother, Daphne McQuarter, has encouraged her interest in science. Wicker’s father’s identity is unknown, and a lot of people online are intrigued about his name. Her mother is thought to be her only caregiver.
I don't know how reliable the second article is.
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4 minutes ago, EKS said:
In contrast, here is a 12yo who was accepted to Georgia Tech. The difference is astounding.
I enjoyed seeing the family and how they were supporting him. It was also interesting to see how he was readinga at 1 yo and attending first grade at 2 (? I think that's what they said).
I don't think it should be necessary to showcase a child prodigy's abilities, but it was interesting to see how it all fit together for him.
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I'm curious how her being an adopted foster child fits into this and how it might affect her as she moves into her teens.
6 minutes ago, TexasProud said:She was a keynote speaker at this event. Interesting.
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/open-source-summit-north-america/program/featured-speakers/
She attended school in Amman, Jordan, according to the blurb written about her. I would be interested to find the Good Morning America piece she did. Hearing her speak would be interesting.
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What a cute space! Your dd might not mind the room being smaller. My (adult) dd prefers smaller spaces because it feels cozier to her.
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1 hour ago, TechWife said:
This is a gifted link to the WaPo article. It has more detail on her education to date.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/20/alena-analeigh-wicker-college-stem/
It's still behind a paywall for me.
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1 hour ago, Halftime Hope said:
I use the oil, and down it with a meal as a chaser. (It smells like turpentine, which is why many people mix it with honey...apparently there is synergy there, too, but I don't want to take it with honey regularly.)
I got liquid oil made by the same company as in this link for capsules. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J2C5JOY/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00J2C5JOY&pd_rd_w=8X0uf&content-id=amzn1.sym.4d0fffec-3aba-4480-8fad-c6bd8f7f6b41&pf_rd_p=4d0fffec-3aba-4480-8fad-c6bd8f7f6b41&pf_rd_r=22K3AMPDK8XRK2KRTFQV&pd_rd_wg=Zr21g&pd_rd_r=5bfd711e-691d-4965-b5dd-e45387441e85&s=hpc&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExQ1dYQldJUVhMNks4JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjU4MzIyMkk3UjZEN08xUThYTCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDE0NDk5MzdFQjFTMFg1RkdWVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= (Sorry for the long link!) The reason I got liquid was so that I could match the dosage to the studies --> 6.4mg of thymoquinone twice daily. (It was 1.28% THQ in the brand they used: MARNYS (TM) Cuminmar) In the capsules I linked, 2 caps daily equals 10mg THQ.
Honestly, for an herbal product, I wouldn't worry about that small a difference. My opinion is that for most people, capsules are preferable to swallowing something that smells bad (like turpentine) and stings when you swallow. (Again, that's probably why ppl take it with honey.)
Thank you for the info.
If it stung when I swallowed it, I would probably think of it as cleaning out whatever needed cleaning out. I sometimes attribute pain to something good that's happening.
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1 hour ago, KungFuPanda said:
I’m gonna be real mad if I find out we’ve been locked down for years but could have had normal lives if we just Neti’d every time we brushed out teeth. 😡
I've tried using the Neti pot several times. I finally figured out to do it in the shower after I sprayed the mirror a few times with salt water. My concern is that I can't keep the water distilled/purified in the shower.
1 hour ago, DawnM said:I don't like that you have to have a turn. I had it 3 weeks ago and the cough still lingers. Sorry.
I'm hoping we don't have to have a turn. I'd be very happy not to have it! I'm sorry your cough lingers. I hope it's more annoying than painful. I've had a cough since 2019 and it's annoying as all get out. Thankfully it's not painful and I'm no longer throwing up from it, but it's been awkward during covid to have what is a normal cough for me.
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19 minutes ago, Corraleno said:
when her parents could have chosen instead to provide her with academic stimulation and opportunities to go deeper/broader/richer with her education, instead of racing through unchallenging programs as quickly as possible.
I wonder how many parents actually think about this. For that matter, it sounds like there have been other mentors in her life who could've suggested broadening experiences, too. For most public schooled students, once they've accomplished 'A", it's time to move to 'B', in a very linear line. They don't think to move to 'A.1' or 'A.5'. It's box checking at its finest.
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1 hour ago, Halftime Hope said:
nigella sativa
How do you add this? It sounds like there are many different options. If you take capsules, do you have a brand you would recommend?
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35 minutes ago, ktgrok said:
1. Median means that's the middle of possible incubation time, not the latest. So some were 1 day, some were 8 days.
2. what test brand? I never tested positive on one brand, but had light positives on Binax brand. It also took a few more than 15 minutes to show up, but less than the 30 minute cut off. (I took Binax tests from multiple boxes, bought at different times, from different places, so not just a bad batch or something). It did stay negative on about day 9. I think it is just more sensitive.
It was the free one the govt sent out. We have Binax tested, too, so I'll have him test with one of them.
I didn't catch that it was the median. I think I was too hopeful. Thank for pointing it out.
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As a mom of a recently graduated med school student, there were a couple of things that jumped out at me from the linked article. First, the picture of her in a white coat is misleading. Med school students don't get their white coats until they're actually attending the program, which she is not yet. Second, she sounds very cocky. That could either be a plus or minus for her in med school, and though there are many cocky doctors, I wouldn't like to be a patient of one so young.
My dd could've graduated college at 19. I received a panicked phone call one night telling me she had to submit paperwork for her graduation, but she knew she wasn't ready and asked me what she should do. I posted here at the time to ask for suggestions so she could remain in college until she could graduate with her cohort. She had been working since high school and had many friends who were older than she was and she saw they way they both included and excluded her based entirely on her age. (Think going to bars and parties.) They weren't rude, but she recognized the problems her younger age caused. She knew if she joined the workforce at 19 that she would face challenges she didn't want to face that would be mitigated by an extra couple years in school. The young woman in the article likely hasn't yet experienced many situations like this.
I fear this young woman will also face such challenges. What will she do when her cohort in med school socializes with alcohol? Most of my med school student's activities included alcohol. I fear she won't have the support of her cohort because she won't be able to participate in many (most?) social events with them specifically due to her age. Will the cohort be resentful if they have to limit their activities to include her due to her age inabilities? What about all the permission forms Mom will have to sign because Alena won't be old enough to sign her own? Will she be limited by her age to practice certain skills that she's learned about?
I really don't see this as a positive event. I assume she'll need to be in person for med school. Will Mom move to AL so she can continue to support the young woman or will Alena have to adjust to living on her own at the same time she starts med school? That's a pretty massive shift that's difficult for many more mature (older) students. I'm glad she's able to accomplish all she already has, but there's something to having maturity in dealing with life and death topics.
It's also possible I'm reading more into this than what is there. Several of you have mentioned info that's not given in the OP's link. It's possible Mom (and Dad? He's not mentioned in the linked article) and Alena have already thought through these situations. Or maybe it's not a concern for them right now. And perhaps they'll just work through the situations as they happen. I wish her much success.
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Dh tested again last night and it was again negative. He does't have symptoms. I looked at the CDC site and it says the incubation period for omicron is 3-4 days. If he was exposed on Thursday, today would be the third day. If he still tests negative tomorrow, does that mean we're out of the woods?
"Data suggest that incubation periods may differ by variant of the virus. The incubation period for COVID-19 is thought to extend to 14 days. Meta-analyses of studies published in 2020 identified a pooled mean incubation period of 6.5 days from exposure to symptom onset.(1) A study conducted during high levels of Delta variant transmission reported an incubation period of 4.3 days,(2) and studies performed during high levels of Omicron variant transmission reported a median incubation period of 3–4 days.(3,4)("
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Username: Tree Frog
Pronounced: tree frog
Orgin: I liked listening to the tree frogs in FL
Likes: homemade bread, spending time with my adult kids, learning new things, dogs and cats, plants, especially watching them grow from a cutting, travel to new places, reading
Dislikes: perimenopause!, dogs that bark endlessly, hypocrites, people who judge others based only on their own experiences without taking into consideration that others have different experiences and viewpoints (I'm a work in progress irt this.)
Frequents threads about: anything that catches my eye. I like the ones that make me think or offer a different viewpoint that I hadn't considered.
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41 minutes ago, DreamerGirl said:
There is 12 of us under our roof today.
My parents, inlaws and BIL's family are visiting. They live in two different countries. This is something that I took for granted that would happen without any effort always. Two years have changed that thought. Yet here we are today.
It is houseful and bursting with the usual chaos associated with it and noisy. But in the past 2 years when it was the 4 of us rattling around, I would hope and despair of days like these ever happening.
We don't have any plans except to hang out and just do normal things Previously we would always try to always have back to back travel or something special scheduled. But this feels like an event itself.
Technology is great at keeping in touching, but nothing beats just being in each other's presence.
I am so very happy.
I wish there were a heart emoji!
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12 hours ago, regentrude said:
But out in the country, we sometimes just drive by feel.
I, too, have driven by feel. I love exploring new places. Unfortunately for me, if I think I'm going in the right direction, I'm wrong. If I think I'm going in the wrong direction, I doubt myself because I'm always wrong, and continue going in the wrong direction. I don't have a sense of direction. It frustrates dh who can get anywhere without a map. When I lived in CO, the mountains were always to the west. When I lived in CA, the oceas was always to the left. When I moved to the midwest, I found lots of new places, usually in the wrong direction. 😂
Are fruit flies getting smarter?
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It's really easy to do. You can you tube it if you need to. Each of my girls cleaned theirs out before leaving for college. Long hair and make up slows the drains.
I also have some of these little gnats in our front room. They hang out around the computer monitor, likely drawn by the light, but there isn't a drain or any fruit. There is a plant now, but the gnats were there before the plant was.