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"I don't have an eating disorder" ...
Says every person with a eating disorder.
That's why it's tricky. I'm sure most skinny people don't have eating disorders, but most people who do have eating disorders go out of their way to hide them. -
I substitute words sometimes when reading aloud, it just happens. Not a problem in my opinion.
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Cupcakes too...
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It's a board joke. When threads start to get heated, someone will often start posting pictures of guys in kilts to lighten things up :d
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I think it means your eyes are big and beautiful.
Of course, I like cows...
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HIPPA only applies to health issues.
But, not having attended a "normal" university, I'm curious as to what other areas of students' personalities do universities intrude into?
A university does not have to enroll a student nor keep them enrolled; a student enrolled contingent upon their willingness to abide by university policies. Policies at the university I attended (which as a school tied to a religious institution were more stringent than most) happily dictated where I could live, what it could wear, visiting hours for the opposite sex, sexual behavior, acceptable beverages, and more. Unwillingness to abide by any of these regulations could have terminated my status as a student. -
I have friends who grew up performing together as a family--singing, music, dance, etc.. The girls all tended to do their hair and makeup the same, I kinda think it was part of the performing together thing. I guess I see the Duggars as essentially performing together...Well, two things...one that while I've seen a lot of family photos with color coordination, I've never seen ones with older girls that all had the same hair and same make-up. They were much more individual looking despite color coordination or matching outfits. Since the hairstyle is the same also as the Botkin girls who belong to the same organizations as the Duggars, it struck me as weird or controlling.
Then someone mentioned Gothard. It should have remembered that first hand. In his newsletters (guidelines for followers) he prescribes exact hair styles - long preferably blond or dark blond, wavy or slightly curly, and face framing. He lays out specifics about make up, colors, etc. So, they are all just following Gothard's prescription, which of course means that there isn't any individuality. They are supposed to all look the same.
Around here, even when families do photos dressing alike, the older the kid, the more individual they look...hairstyles, etc. and especially amongst the girls. Even in the family of eight, very conservative, that lives two blocks north, their four teenage daughters though resembling each other genetically, all choose very different things.
However, the one thing about ATI and Vision Forum that one can say is individuality, and particularly amongst the females, is not encouraged. That is what struck me.
I really don't see anything weird about sisters having similar hairstyles and makeup, that alone would not be a flag for me of anything unusual going on.
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LOL. I know a mom whose baby refused to breast feed for two days after she ate fish. Glad mine haven't done that, I like fish..
I have heard babies tend to prefer flavors they were exposed to in utero. -
A certified professional midwife or licensed midwife (not Nurse Midwife) in states where they are legal ARE acting within the scope of their certification/license, but they are not practicing medicine. :)
For example, that is why CPMs and lay midwives only take on certain (healthy) births and need to refer others out to a physician. If it includes practicing medicine at all or the birth get complicated during labor beyond their scope (it's pretty specific in most states) they are required to transfer their patient.
I just wanted to clarify that the only person practicing medicine is a physician, and Nurse Practitioners, PAs, and Certified nurse midwives practice medicine under the physicians licenses. Lay midwives or CPMs never practice medicine, and they are not "in medicine," professionally speaking. In our state, CPMs or lay midwives are illegal and if caught attending a home birth will be arrested for practicing medicine without a license. Sorry if I came across strong! :)
I find it odd that an unlicensed person attending a birth can be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license, but a licensed midwife doing the same thing is considered to not be practicing medicine--if a person without a license is practicing medicine shouldn't a person with a license be practicing medicine if they engage in the same activity? I bow, however, before the vagaries of legal terminology :)
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Certified NURSE midwives are practicing medicine (under an MD, the only person who is allowed to officially practice medicine) as a practitioner, but Lay midwives (the apprenticeship that Jill is going through) do not. She did not (and has not) received any training to be a nurse or a nurse midwife.
http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Pages/LayMidwifery.aspx
Arkansas is pretty laid back about lay midwives, but in many states, they are completely illegal (and arrested for practicing medicine).
I guess I don't know all the right terms. I was thinking that a doula attending a birth alone (not by accident, acting as a midwife) could be charged with practicing medicine without a license, while a licensed midwife attending a birth is acting legally within her licence.
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I don't think we need to hear both "sides" of the Yale student's story to have an opinion. If that were the case, we'd be hard pressed to form any opinions in news stories, because usually one side isn't talking.
Oh, we can have an opinion, but if it is based on inaccurate information it won't be worth much.
I am sorry the food situation on campus has been frustrating for your daughter. -
Doulas do not practice medicine. Midwives do.I only like to watch because they showed Jill and Jana attending home births. :) Love that the OOH birth is shown as an option and normal.
Other than that, the more I learn about the Duggars and the parenting methods they follow (Gothard, ATI, very patriarchal), the less I care to watch.
I wouldn't classify it as medical, but rather birth work. Doulas and midwives don't practice medicine. ;) And yes, Jill is doing an apprenticeship.
Just clarifying :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwifery_in_the_United_States
I imagine if a midwife is willing to be shown attending births on national television she must have a license to practice in her state.
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I'm curious to know if the caliber of students applying has changed. If a school used to admit 10% of applicants and now admits 5%, are the same basic group of applicants being admitted (that is, most of the increase in applicants is accounted for by less qualified candidates) or are only half as many of the tippy top applicants being admitted? In other words, of the Freshman class of, say, 2001, would only half have been admitted if applying today?
I imagine it is some of each, but that the number of tippy top candidates has not doubled at most of these schools. But I don't know. Have the average stats changed for applicant groups? For admits?
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When you enroll in a university, you agree to abide by their regulations and procedures. I am sure lawyers are involved in the crafting of such regulations.But, none of this matters. None of it. We have HIPPA laws in this nation. We have doctor/patient confidentiality laws. They do not have a right to her personal medical information, nor do they have a right to force her into any medical treatment. They do not have a right to expel her for NOT getting medical treatment unless her actions are a danger to others, and even then, they can only expel her based on her actions, not on her medical condition. She actually, as sad as this is, has a right to die of anorexia if she so chooses.
The fact of the matter remains that for an Asian woman her BMI is normal and so is her weight. So, there just simply is not one thing about this regardless of whether or not we have the whole story, that is okay for Yale to do. It just simply, in America as our laws stand, none of Yale's business. None. Yes, if she did have anorexia and she did die, that would be unfortunate. But, the school is no more at fault for the 22 year old who goes to the local pub, drinks ten taquilla shots, and then drives his car into the telephone pole, than they are for the student who decides to play hockey without a helmet at someone's pond and ends up with a skull fracture. Not their choice. These are legal adults. Not their fault. Therefore, not their business to violate the law in order to force medical decisions on the student. Once over 18, she and any other student on that campus get legal protection of their medical information as well as the right to refuse treatment.
Again, do you want your employer to get access to your medical files and then decide what you should and should not do medically, threatening to fire you for failure to comply with his or her demands? If you don't work in a job where your health is a matter of public safety, then are you willing to give them this level of control over you? That is where this is headed. Defending Yale is nothing short of saying that this scenario is also okay. Next up? The IRS tells you that you can't have your tax refund unless you give up smoking and provide proof that you have done so, or lose weight, or gain weight, or stop consuming butter, or demand you take cholesterol drugs, or get chemo and radiation even though you have chosen not to go that route, or .....
She has not been declared non campos mentis. Therefore, they do not get a say.
Yale's policy is far from unique. Here is Columbia's: http://www.essential-policies.columbia.edu/morningside-campus-required-medical-leave-students-eating-disorders
And Harvard: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k69286&pageid=icb.page356069
http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k69286&pageid=icb.page356070 -
From the Yale University catalog:No. It is not the university's business.
We do have the right to refuse medical treatment in this country.
As an adult, the student's health is no one's business but her own. Period.
"Yale College reserves the right to require a student to withdraw for medical reasons when, on recommendation of the director of Yale Health or the chief of the Mental Health and Counseling department, the dean of Yale College determines that the student is a danger to self or others because of a serious medical problem, or that the student has refused to cooperate with efforts deemed necessary by Yale Health to determine if the student is such a danger. An appeal of such a withdrawal must be made in writing to the dean of Yale College no later than seven days from the date of withdrawal."
http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/academic-regulations/leave-of-absence-withdrawal-readmission/
A private school can make rules regulating the conditions under which students may be enrolled.
This rule may very well have been misapplied in this case, but I do not find the rule itself to be unreasonable. -
As my Chinese classmate/friend was very fond of saying: the point is not whether they are wrong or right. The point is that it is not their business.
Not whose business? Not the doctor's business? Surely the health of a patient is the business of her doctor. Not the university's business? A university student on university insurance at a university clinic may very well be the university's business. What if a student died of anorexia while a student at Yale and it came out that the university clinic knew about the problem but didn't follow up on it because the student did not want treatment? Would the issue be considered none of the university's business under those circumstances? -
I think you are not a religious family but if you don't mind using a Bible for reading practice this could be an option http://www.chinese-bible.com/?mc=&searchlang=en&livre=40N&chapitre=1&verset=1&go=Ok&nb_versets=20&en=1&py=1&cn=1&langue_princip=en
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Right now, she wants to pursue a career in writing or art. I support that, but at the same time I don't want to make it harder for her to pursue a STEM career if she changes her mind later. And I am concerned about the emotional impact this math program is having on her (discouragement) as much as I am concerned about the educational impact.
Does the other virtual charter in your state use the same math program?
Another consideration: if you homeschooled for the first year or more of high school, then wanted to enroll in a public school program (virtual or otherwise) would your homeschool credits be accepted towards graduation? -
I've know young women who are healthy and don't weigh much and I've watched a young woman die saying she was normally low weight. I feel for anyone getting the wrong medical treatment and for health care workers who try to help those that need it and refuse.
This is a big challenge with eating disorders; people who have them don't generally come forward and admit it. It's why I do wonder if there could be more to this story--did all those medical tests turn up evidence that this girl is indeed unhealthy? I don't know. I have had people close to me struggle with eating disorders, the problem is very real.
But if this girl is healthy and does not have an eating disorder, the intrusion would be incredibly frustrating! -
My husbands parents homeschooled him with a strange hybrid of better-late-than-early unschooling and Robinson curriculum from age 6 to age 13-ish. After about 14, he was 'not educated' by the standards being used here. His parents also said, and still say, oh well, he can go teach himself ______ and get a job in it because they taught him how to learn! They also blocked him from being able to do an official apprenticeship with similar logic that they still stand behind, insisting the paper is meaningless because he has the skills and can teach himself what he needs to know on the job.
I agree that learning how to learn is a great and important goal. It's one of my highest ones. But do you have any idea how much harder it is to learn when you are working full time with a family that you actually want to see occasionally and children who both need raising and don't understand leaving daddy to his work? He wishes, more than anything, that he had gone to university for what he actually wanted to do as a teenager, however he lacked the skills, had little encouragement, and was busy working full time for his families business, believing his parents when they said he could learn what he needed to when he needed it and figuring he could go to uni down the track.
Yeah he could go to uni now, but I cannot work (I am disabled and while I am capable of work itself, I am basically unemployable) and he wants to spend his time watching his children grow up, not running between full time work, university, and trying to squeeze family relationships in there somewhere. He has talked about going to uni in 10 years or so when the kids are older, but it will still be a MUCH bigger commitment than it would have been to do it as an 18yo living at home with minimal responsibilities. He could have chosen not to marry and have children so early, but then instead of closing the door on higher education it would have been closing the door on having a family under the timing and plans he had. Either way a door was closed, a BIG one.
He is also extremely fortunate to have the job he has because he is completely unqualified, officially, to do anything. And because he learnt 'on the job' like his father said, he has huge gaps in his basic knowledge. He has to ask his workmates to teach him things which he should have learned as an apprentice (all the while he is doing work which none of them are capable of in other areas, there's a reason he has a job there, he is one of the best in the country at what he DOES know, but he has no way of proving that except a few lines under the heading 'experience' in his resume). He can't go back and get formal qualifications because in this field his choices are apprenticing, which he is far too skilled in some areas to do, or a university degree, which has the problems stated above. His workplace is considering aligning to ISO standards in order to land a big contract this year, and if they do his job may be in jeopardy because he is a liability, he has NO qualifications, which makes him an insurance risk and a standards risk, and his high skills in some areas are so rarely used they may not be worth the consequences when they could simply send out for that work. Getting a job at another workplace with no official paperwork is very, very hard.
The point of this post being, no, he can't just 'go learn whatever he wants' because there is a huge difference between learning as a teen and learning as a father and husband. As good as it is to say life doesn't end at 18, life sure does get a lot busier and more complicated after that point. By not using that time to it's full potential, it can make it downright impossible to change anything as an adult.
If an unschooler closes a door on certain opportunities for their children, then that is their choice to make. All parents have to make decisions which will open and close doors at some point. But acknowledge that is what you are doing and prepare for it. These families need to understand how much harder some things will be once they transition from teen to adult. My husband is currently teaching himself math through khan academy to bring him to a high school standard. Meanwhile he works a job he hates but can't risk losing because he has no other skills. If he loses his job his options are retail and service, or possibly computers if he can find a company who is willing to consider someone completely self-taught over the hundreds of graduated uni students who apply.
I think perhaps the biggest lesson to be learned from your husband's experience is that the ability to learn will not exempt someone from the need for a credential in the job marketplace.
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Maybe skip the problem and come back to it at the beginning of next day's math session, sometimes brains just get tired.
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A feeling of emptiness is a symptom of depression, I would not ascribe it to the state of your relationship with God.
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This is from the prevention section of the article linked above:
Outdoor activity
The positive effect of outdoor activity for reducing myopic progression has been documented in numerous studies. Physical activity, sports, and low accommodative demands have been postulated as the cause of this protective effect. The Sydney Myopia Study in 2008 demonstrated a significant reduction in the prevalence of myopia in children who spent more time outdoors. After adjusting for time spent on near work, parental refractive error and ethnicity, they showed that increased time spent outdoors, rather than physical activity was associated with less myopia32. The authors of the article suggest that light intensity when outdoors may be the contributing factor, by increasing depth of field and decreasing image blur. They also comment on the possible effects of light on the release of dopamine from the retina which is an eye growth inhibitor. Although the nature of this protective factor has yet to be determined, outdoor activity does appear to have positive effects for slowing myopic progression.
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There seems to be some correlation between near work and myopia, but the evidence is better for outdoor time having a protecting or mitigating effect. Let them read, but get them outdoors daily, where their eyes can focus much farther out than they ever can in the house.
If you're skinny, don't go to Yale!
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An eating disorder is risky conduct.