Liz...might reread some of my posts within this topic to help clarify things more :). My husband has been taking over much of the daily dealings/talks with her, with me by his side. I did also speak to the internet crimes division. The officer hated to tell me the plain truth about what it takes to get them to be able to do a search. He totally disagreed with the law, but he doesn't make it.

Let me address a few things. The police: our local law states that to get probable cause for a warrant to gather info on a computer there has to be sufficient evidence and what I had recently wasn't sufficient. There was role playing that involved harlequin romance type stuff, but nothing more than that. There were no lewd pictures sent or the like. I will be making yet another call to them and see about the running away post, but I don't know how much they can help me there as there was no info given for contacting them (besides what is available on the message board). traveling long term requires money and we own a small farm that can't be dispersed at this time. We are trying to work with what we have. My husband and I will be putting something together shortly. I supposedly have the name of this person. I've tried finding them on facebook and the general internet...no such luck as of yet. And with all the cellphones today, looking up their last name in the white pages of Katy, TX (where supposedly she is from), isn't productive. She just started counseling. She has an appt early next week. We can wait and if we feel in need of extra help, we have places for that. I also have access to a couple other counselors that are friends that know all about this and have also recommended us to continue with him. DD already likes him and for her it's not always easy to open up. He is good with teens. She will be under her dad's care this weekend and they will be doing nothing but hanging out with her brother and going to church. I set the facebook up, I have the password. All passwords are changed frequently and all the updates/wall postings, etc. on her account come through my phone. I'm all over that one. I've become very tech savvy...it's necessary in this day and age. My husband even more so. I will look into the private investigator. That's a good idea.

Thanks Joanne. I do value your opinions on this. It's hard to always know what to do. Sometimes I feel like a doctor in that I'm 'Practicing Parenting'...ugh. I also don't ever want my kids to feel unloved or hurt. I don't think any good parent does, but it's so hard when they are so very hateful, like it's coming from the depth of her bones. I know I can't change it, but each day I make it a point to still say I love you and kiss/hug her goodnight because she won't hardly let me during the day. The unknown person also scares the carp out of me. It's horrifying to think that my kid could be the 5 o'clock news alert. My husband also felt it was important to get away regularly. He supports this after seeing one of her raging weeks with me when he was off. I think he thought at first that I was exaggerating a bit and that I was a worry wort....he does NOT think that now. He has noticed that it has been good for me to go and come back. But the current situation allows for it only to happen if he is off or my trusted friend can watch the two for me. And this whole situation is problematic for my son. He is such a sweet boy and has been stressed out by this situation. He wants to love and help his sister, be her friend because he knows she is sad/upset, but it isn't always helpful... I am going to discuss with my husband to allow for him to go stay with one of our relatives for a time. He would enjoy the break and it would be fun for him.

She has other wonderful friends that we still encourage her to hang with. Kids that make good decisions, don't really give their parents much trouble at all and love to do things for others. We got her a facebook account that we monitor and we are friends with her there (like most parents we know) . Though I am LDS and find things somewhat offensive that I saw online, I am more worried about what she is putting out there for the future. I have always tried to be frank with my kids about internet workings and things that can happen and be seen. I am not surprised by many things and I am not a prude. I know what I did as a kid. I was no saint and caused my share of trouble. But y'all this level of craftiness is just astonishing! I mean, this kid needs to get into some sort of investigative work! We are not trying to isolate her from local friends. Hence why she had a friend over this week, and went to her other friends home yesterday afternoon. She is using them to get to the other person. I can see her internet trail.... I have tried in vain to get her to join other things. Just recently gave her a notice from the paper calling artists of all ages to join our local art show by submitting pieces. She was excited about it she said...has she done anything? Nope. But she has managed to contact that online person a number of times. She does like talking on the phone...to her friends. She uses many excuses when they are convenient for her. It's part of what she does. DH and I are having a long chat about this later this evening. Shutting off the internet was a step we were not doing yet since she was making contact with a good group of kids that she likes and we wanted to encourage that, but most likely DH will have it done now and we can use the library instead...good thing it's just a few min away.

No def not. This friend came into the picture last year and was declared another best friend within 1 month.

P is internet person-supposedly a teen girl, C talked about running away-even to us-has left the house via her window a few times on foot in pajamas in the rain, F is local teen friend met through another local teen friend. Both nice kids, not troubled kids, but people pleasers and typical teens of today plugged into everything... I'm not sure who the person is who offered to help DD leave. It was a different signon name, but info seemed similar and also P offered to come. I 'know' where this person lives, but that is all I can seem to get. I have an email address, but IPs can be pinged from other areas....

Thank you. We have been dealing with this for some time now and tried many avenues to address it. Even offering to allow skyping to happen so we could see who this was. Excuses were given, thus nothing has happened where we could varify that this indeed was another child. Although the foul language and other things that we've found in the conversations and online have made us quite uncomfortable and upset that our child finds this okay. We cannot get any personal info because 'she' is using google mail to make contact to our phones (***if you parents didn't know this, you need to.) Therapist appt is Tuesday. He is aware of the recent finding of the phone (this happened just yesterday) and will have printouts of things to address with her. My child will tell you flat out that she wishes I would die/were dead/hopes I die and that she will 'Never love me'. She tells us and others that her brother and her father are her family, that I am not considered her family. Every day, multiple times a day, I tell her I love her, I hug her, I don't raise my voice anymore, I don't get emotional when she says nasty things (which is frequently and daily) and I don't let her goade me on into fighting. I don't understand why she has taken this much effort to hate me. It mainly started when we found out that she'd been giving out our info online to a couple of people we did not know and subsequently had her internet priviledges removed for a time. She NEVER finished the time period removal. Took great effort in finding ways to get online and thus it's been a giant freaking snowball ever since. She has even done this at friends and families homes. I've taken her out on trips regularly with me to ride (we own horses), but she is sullen and rude to me if she is not getting her way. I would still take her, but as a homeschooler, she sees me constantly and no longer wishes to really do anything with me. Telling all of us that she perfers to stay home. That she's a homebody. She has NO interests except drawing online in a certain style to post to an art site or making drawings for other people, or finding ways to contact this person. I'm dead serious. When asked about getting her license, the excuse that 'she's focusing on school and doesn't have time' is given. Which would be plausible, if it were actually true. She had a nice little job doing paperwork and computer work for a friend making good money for a 16 yr old. Was working nicely for a kid who likes to organize. She lasted all of a couple of weeks...because that was the initial set up of hours agreed upon from friend to me and her and that the next week, dd was supposed to call and set up the next couple of weeks hours. DD never called. Wanted me to do it and I refused. "I don't like talking on the phone" was the excuse given. The job was given to someone else (my friend knew that I was letting DD handle this herself to learn some responsibility and was totally on board). DD asked a couple of weeks later if my friend needed her and I simply stated that the job had been given to someone else. She was not happy. Now she is doing some house cleaning for another friend of mine that she and friend set up together. Manual labor....pay is no different either. I've recently started taking a weekend a month and sometimes half a weekend to recharge with my friends. I need it as I'm frankly worn out. My husband is a very sweet laidback person, but this past year has found him taking over her discipline since she kept saying that everything was my fault and that she 'hasn't done anything wrong'...that is a well heard remark. Last nights phone discovery was the last straw. Oh and said local friend has been grounded and her phone taken since she went behind our back to do this. Her mother is irate at this situation as well.

Because teens can be pretty stupid...and the local friend is a people pleaser...and local friend did not see that post though I'm sure my child told her about it.

If you saw a post to your child to help them run away from home? You don't know this person, your child is secretive and disrespectful. Has given out our personal info online before and seems to have poor decision making skills. Yet said child is almost 17 yrs old. No motivation for a license, job, etc... Previously the police were unable to help me find info on this person since there isn't enough info that is 'inapropriate'. Don't know if they will help me now... Therapist/Counseling was started...still in very early stages. This week her local friend went behind our backs and bought our child a reloadable phone and loaded it with minutes so the online person could call (and our child could call local friend). Local friend has been acting as a go between for the online person and our child on an art site. Getting letters to her. Online person will not give out real phone number or address. They are using gmail to contact to the purchased phone . Our child at one point had given our home cell number out as well, but that phone has since been locked down to only call certain people. I have the new phone now and the stranger has called and texted (via gmail). I did not answer as of yet.

I cant seem to post at the classifieds, but wanted to offer a complete teacher/student set of BJU Spanish 1 including the CDs. PM me if anyone is interested...or point me where I can repost these...thanks :)

Prayers here Rose...I'm so very sorry that it's getting more difficult.

the foam roller was the first thing DH suggested :). We have one. I think I will do this each morning and ice it afterwards. How long would I need to do this? As I said, I have no pain unless I'm riding...I don't have problems hiking or walking. I haven't ridden my bike though since this started so I don't know about that. The downward motion of riding in my stirrups starts to kill my knee.

So it seems that this is what is going on with my knee. Physical therapy and the use electrodes with DMSO seems to be what is recommended by my doc...I'm not too keen on the DMSO though. I use this for my horses and it's a known cancer causing agent and makes your mouth taste nasty if it gets on your skin. Interestingly enough. I only have localized pain in the side of my knee. Rheumatologist suggested a meniscus issue. Orthopedic specialist says no, but I have no other symptoms that typically go along with ITB injury. My hamstrings are quite limber and have retained all flexibility. I have no pain when normal walking (I'm not really a runner) but I horseback ride a good bit and have pain in the side of my knee (not normally both) when walking and especially when trotting for more than a couple of miles..which is an issue seeing as I compete in distance racing with my horse. Have any of you dealt with this and how was it treated?

I'm so sorry for your loss and I know it was hard.

Many hugs for you! Parenting is soooo hard sometimes...somtimes they just cant see/realize how much we really love them...

We may even get some :)

I can only imagine how that made you feel. That's awful. My sincerest hugs go to you. My DD and I are going through a seriously rough time right now. I thought it was getting better, but it really hasn't. Some of it is her personality (negative nancy and all that-I have a hard time with those types)...we are currently at a crossroad with her and will probably enroll her next week. I've tried to be patient for the last 3 years with this and it's not getting any better...she's just getting nastier. It came to a head last night and of course the guilt trip was thick yet again this morning with the "I'm just letting you know that if you send me to school, I will loose all respect for you". I just gently reminded her that I thought she'd already done that since I heard it a number of times in a number of variations recently....

Aw Margaret! Do tell, I love horse stories :)

I got my most recent two (Luka and Mikki-a NSH) from a farm nearby for free. Luka already had a year of showing under him, but he wasn't cut out for it. Mikki swished her tail too much (she's got some attitude, but is amiable about doing as you ask...she just likes to gripe about it, lol). They are both papered which was nice of the farm to include. I wouldn't trade Luka for anything. You only come across a few horses in your life that the two of you just click and work well together. He's my first one :)

Yes, I will be doing another, hopefully next month. Yeah, Luka isn't normally bothered by cows either, but we have black ones near us, not multicolored ones, lol. I always wear a helmet :) and so does my daughter. All junior riders are required to as well. I am working on getting a safety vest too. The ones with CO-2 cartridges, but I've got to save for that one...it's quite pricey. Your distance program sounds fun! I rack up mileage (Frequent Rider Program) with my horse through the AHA, but we don't have any programs like that in our state. I think it would encourage more riding for sure...

I recently atttended my first Limited Distance (25 mile) ride outside of Houston, TX, last weekend, with my coming 6 yr old Arabian, Luka. We had an interesting ride. As happens to many of us in the horse world, I wasn't able to ride it like I had planned because my horse had other plans :). But that's okay... We started out up front because I had no idea where we were starting and when they announced the leader taking us out, I realized I was hanging out right there . :ohmy: So I walked out with them anyways and he went along nicely. Then we started trotting out and he got a little more excited. No worries, I expected it. We let those three get ahead and we hung back a little. There were about 50 some odd riders behind us, but about a 1/3 of a mile or so back. Luka screamed for about 3-4 miles of the start of the ride, looking for other horses, but he didn't try to turn around or run off with me...just bunchy and excited. He settled a little and we loose reined it for a little while with an occasional check in :) Then we hit the cow field...complete with all colors/ages of cattle. Yay :eek: . He went left, he went right, his head went the opposite direction as we encountered some stern looking cows. Saddle slip was occuring and so I hopped off real quick. Some nice riders coming up asked if I was okay and I answered I was, but that I just needed to adjust a bit. Got back on and asked him to move out and quit being a looky-lou. He did and they complimented his nice movement :p We kept on and he was going well. There is a mix of trail there, but most of it is squishy deepish sand...so a lot of cantering was going on (trotting deep sand for extended periods of time is bad for their tendons). My two friends caught up to us and we headed on. Our horses didn't drink too well on that loop, but mine did a little and ate any bits of tender green he found in the watering holes, so that was good. We knew we were getting close to the end and then we noticed a horse with no rider in the pasture behind us. We had just politely asked to pass their group of five riders. We blocked both exits with our horses and the horse eventually came up to us. I caught it and when she arrived we handed it over. I was a bit surprised at the teen boy who came through us, without saying a word or asking us to move-that was not very polite. We didn't notice him until he was right on us. He ended up 30 sec ahead of us at the in-timer...what comes around goes around buddy. We walked into the vet hold to check in and start our 45 minute hold time. Vetted in with all A's, except a B on Skin Tent and an A- on Gut Sounds. Pulsed in 5 min after check-in at 15 (which times 4 is 60 beats per minute which is the maximum allowed), but vetted in at 14 and after his trot out he was down to 13. Not bad for his first loop and first ride since he was so excited. Got him sponged down, covered and he dug into his bucket of soaked watery hydration hay/feed/alfalfa cube mix. He ate the half bucket (which was a lot of water so that was great) and then we saddled up and headed back out. We left out a few minutes late because I didn't quite realize how fast 45 min goes :) and I picked up my junior rider (a rider under 16 has to have a sponsor to go out) because her mom had to pull. So she and I headed out. All was going well and he was energetic. Until we came to another field of cows and calves lol. This time he dead stopped. Two cows were standing about 100 ft apart and facing each other but looking at us....I had to really push him to get him to slowly creep through the space! He wanted to trot off from there, but I made him walk and when we turned the bend, we let him move out again. He was going on a loose rein (excellent) and we came to a sharp turn...whoops... a little saddle slip as he spun to the side and popped his rear up and around, thus popping me up onto the knee poly's (OUCH). I've got a nice little bruise. But he stood still while I readjusted. This is an issue since he blows out and is shaped like a 55 gallon drum, lol. We headed on, passed a few other riders who were walking along and we stopped at every available water area to allow them to drink. They did so a few times so that was good. Came to the in timer and found out that we were possibly in the 9th and 10th places! Woah. Did not even think that was where we were. Vetted in, all A's, except A-'s in Mucous Membranes, Jug Refill, and Skin Tent. I expected that since he wasn't drinking as much as I'd hoped on the trail. Pulsed in at 13, 3 minutes after the time in and vetted in at 10 with a 12 after the trot out. Then we headed back to cool off, clean up, feed/water and get ready for the check-in on Best Condition. He got 7- 10's, 3- 9's, 1- 8 and 2- 7's (for Gut sounds and Back/withers). He trotted out nicely for me (after I had to give a little swing with my lead rope), but I he went along beside me quite perky and calmly. I am very proud of him and his effort. I never had to push him and he did very well. The vets complimented how he looked and he only misbehaved for our vet-in when we arrived (spinning around as the vet tried to pulse him, lol. But he'd vetted him before at another intro ride we did and remembered that he was so calm then :) ) We ended up in 9th place with my junior rider right before me. No best condition, but the vet said he looked like he did his first ride very well. We will be checking out our saddle fit since there was heat back there. I cannot have him sore. All in all, a very great ride and I'm glad we went. He'll now get the week off to recover and we'll be back to work after that. A link to the photobucket slideshow if you're interested :) http://s622.photobucket.com/user/selling-stuff/slideshow/High%20Roller%201-2014

Yes they can if you call and ask. Many dogs have vet anxiety and most vets are very accomodating when it comes to the decision to euthanize... You are a good pet parent to think of all your options. To me having a pet is about their quality of life, not the quantity. Our pets are not designed to outlive us, but we are here to make sure they get what they need and leave this life with dignity if needs be. I've had to do this a number of times in the last few years and while it's not enjoyable, I don't regret any of the choices I had to make for my pets to end their suffering from something that I could not fix. Hugs to you!

Just awesome! And congrats on his 100th win. Both events I'm sure he will never forget.

Hugs to you Hoppy! I feel your frustration...having a 16 yr old spit vile things at me for the last week, has me wanting to pack my horses and I and just skip town for a while...go camp in the wilderness somewhere and ride.

My heart just hurts for her parents and for her. It has been very difficult to keep my teen safe online since she refused to follow our safety rules. I constantly worry about this very thing... Many prayers here.