I have always been leery of male cats do to the spraying. How young can or should you get a male fixed?

I have looked at these. We have a dog that if my dil leaves a diaper in a garbage that isn't secured.......... Mess happens.:tongue_smilie: They look deep though. Is it hard to get a kitten to use them?

I am voting other. I think it is fine but I also think you need to be sure to do something special with the other one in near future?:D

Thanks. I wondered about that. I think we will start with a plain hooded box.

Hmmm. If we would go this way we would need a regular litter pan. They don't clump, right?

This sounds a bit like our dogs. Our male blond labradoodle seems to always want to play when it is bed time. Our Aust. Shep. gets a bit feisty. After all she has been only napping all day. It is time for her to get some real beauty sleep.

I do roast with onions, potatoes and carrots. I add in a tossed salad and desert. Enjoy your family.

JMO My dd is 12, almost 13 but has had the say over the length and style of her hair now for some time. Hair grows. I have the thinking that children/teens need to be given control over things that they can manage, learn whether they have made the correct choice or not and be given that as early as they can. Which is best, your dd getting her hair cut and hating it(you have expressed your opinion and why) but knowing it was her decision or not being allowed to get it cut and feeling resentful toward you for it. She is 15 and going to be making much more important/life changing decision very soon. Maybe a hair cut that she doesn't or does like is a good start.:grouphug: ETS: My dd got her hair cut pretty short a year ago May. It was very cute and to start with she really liked it. By the end of the summer she had decided she wanted to grow it out and it is shoulder length again now. She says she won't get it cut that short again. At the time I really didn't want her to get it cut that short, voice I was afraid she may not like it but she made the decision.

I would not be impressed. There may be a spiritual point made but how many 4/5/6/7/8/etc. will really get that point.:tongue_smilie: My dh wouldn't be bothered by it either though.

:grouphug: How blessed you are!

We have a very small yard but we have squeeked in a 16'X52" pool in the back and a 15' tramp in the front. My two and the neighborhood are normally on or in one or the other.:D There is also eating.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

More questions, do any of you that have kitties also have parakeets? Have any of you tried this litter box? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005E2S77C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER This litter? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009X29WK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER One of the issues we have in our home is chemical sensitivity so I know that we will need to get something that isn't fragranced or full of chemicals. Some of you talked about the natural wood but when we had bunnies I couldn't handle the cedar chips that we got for them so not sure the wood pellets would work for us.

[quote=Annie Laurie;4175933 I think my cats are beautiful and they were all just homeless strays. They are beautiful, Annie. Do they all get along well? Sounds like you brought them all in at different times.

We became officially engaged on my birthday, Dec. 4th 1966. We married on May 27, 1967.:001_smile: It has been 45 yrs.:D

I have done it a lot.:001_smile:

In looking there isn't anything close to us at all. They do sound like lovely cats though.

milovaný, I would love for you to tell me how to get rid of my pesky 'center'.:tongue_smilie: You all have beautiful kitties. bobbeym, I love the one of yours that is looking out the screen. It is like you can see the wheels turning wondering if he could possibly make it through one of those little holes. :D:D

They look like beautiful kitties but we would never be able to afford one. The prices I saw were $850 and up plus shipping.

Well, our main bathroom is where we lock our dogs up at night and when we are gone. Don't think that would be a good plan. There is a couple of spots but......:) The only other bath room we have is our oldest son's mainly and there really isn't a place it could sit that would be out of the way for him in his chair.:tongue_smilie:

YOU HAVE YOUR LITTER BOX IN YOUR LIVING ROOM!?!?!:hurray::hurray::hurray: Ok, I can now consider this a real possibility!:D We are working on my DH and my oldest DS.:glare::toetap05: Like either of them does anything for the pets we have now.:confused: I can officially tell them that at least one person has the litter box in the living room though.:001_smile:

You guys have been great. The biggest hurdle is a place to put the litter box. The down stairs in rented, our garage isn't attached, don't have any porches, have to keep the door to the utility room closed all the time, don't want it in one of the bed rooms........ Does anyone have one 'hidden' behind a chair in the living room? It really is a BIG hurdle.:tongue_smilie:

Wish you lived close to the Black Hills of SD.

Good point. I did look at the shelter in the city about 30 miles from us. After the rally is over and you can more around a bit easier we may make a trip and check them out.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: That is funny. It may well be that they just knew to not be there when people were around. At least that way they avoided the inspectors.:lol::lol:

Thanks, everyone. You have been so helpful. I am thinking I will start looking for a kitty/kitties and see what we find. If anyone else has input I am still reading. I have to say many of you made me chuckle. When it comes to training cats I will say I did train the two we had to NEVER go into the kitchen nor get on counters or tables. Neither of them did. At the time we had them we were state lic. and even having animals at that time in the facility was a stretch but if the state inspector would have ever come in and found one of our pets in the kitchen or on a resident dinning table we would have been written up big time and probably had to get rid of all the pets. They trained very easily to not be there though. :001_smile: