No thanks. I'm not going to go on a 20-minute copy/paste rampage then spend another hour arguing. Not worth the time. Good day. :)

I don't agree with the girl's at fault, guy can't control his impulses mindset either. I never have. It isn't anything I'd ever teach my sons or daughter. I DO teach them to be secure enough that they don't have to attract attention in that way and to have respect for people around them and at church. I do like and appreciate modesty on both sides. I won't apologize for thinking it is a great thing when people who 'could' choose to flaunt everything or reveal themselves just choose not to. Honestly, this topic isn't a hot topic for me for the most part, but I just wanted to agree with those that say there is a whole bunch of judgment of thoughts, motives, etc., of the woman who wrote the blog... It has a real mob feel to it.

If you say so.

Yes, this!! I will join the others and say that I find a LOT of judgment from those who are calling her judgmental. The vitriol held by many on these boards towards people with a conservative Christian belief system always amazes me! I could almost guarantee that if there was someone from a completely different religion who had a blog about modesty, it wouldn't even get a glance. Oddly enough, it doesn't really make me angry...it is just a truth I've seen, like the sky being blue, grass being green...

I wouldn't have gone into all that she did were I her, but I liked it. I agree with a lot of it! We always encouraged our kids to consider boys/girls as their brothers and sisters in Christ and to consider how they dressed and treated them.

I would go if I lived there. I like him. We utilize a lot of his resources!! :)

[quote name="GeorgiaGirl160" post="5895953" timestamp=" After several painful volunteering experiences, this has become my mantra: you can't make good relationships with bad people. Boundary busters never, ever, ever change. Once you identify them, run fast in the opposite direction. You say the cause is important to you, but the person asking is miserable to be involved with. So, find another way to be involved with the cause that doesn't involve her. Whatever you want to do (minstry, educations, charity, teaching, whatever), I seriously doubt this one woman is the only gatekeeper to your involvement. Good luck, GA Cub Mom Yes, this!! The boundary thing...I just don't like dealing with it and it is best for my family that I not. Thanks everyone for the advice. I do need to say no. And I think there are other opportunities that I can involve myself with, on my terms, that won't involve this person at all.

I have been asked to help with an opportunity that I agree with and have a heart for. The problem is that I do not trust the person heading it up. The person is a notorious boundary crosser, allows these types of serving opportunities to completely take over their own life while pushing family to the side (so they expect others to so the same), manipulates others into seeing things/doing things their way , etc. I'm just struggling with feeling I "should" do this but having anxiety at the very thought of dealing with this person regularly. Were it you, would you just go with your gut or try to lay self down and help?

There is nothing in the world to apologize for. There are evil people doing insanely, barbarically evil things. There is nothing remotely wrong with saying that stirs fear!! I would so appreciate more people, political leaders speaking out against this rather than worrying about offending!! It is all mind boggling to me.

I agree with you. I can't watch the news without feeling deeply grieved at what is going on and upset that more has not been done to put a stop to it all. I saw a news article today about Britain. I'm praying for them and us.

I wish it had been available when my daughter was that age. We did Faith Keepers, but from friends who are involved, American Heritage sounds much better. From the descriptions here, it is exactly what we would have loved! Do they have something like it for boys?

We are using Latina Christiana 1. I have used this in the past with my olders, and we hated it. I own it and didn't want to go out and purchase a new program, so I decided to try again with the youngers. This time, to make it work, I purchased the dvds. I should have done that way, way back, because those are the key that are making Latin enjoyable. My boys are getting it and loving it. Also, I'd have to find it, but someone created DVD study sheets to go along with the lessons. They have been a great addition. There are about 3-4 pages per lesson with blanks to fill in, and they are really helping to firm up what they are learning from the DVD. They then use those study sheets to answer the workbook page.

It's okay. I wanted to explain that since it could have looked like more than it was. I didn't want to give off an idea that we were doing some great thing when we aren't. It's been a great opportunity to work on spelling and remind, remind, remind about those WWE tools we have in our toolbox. I'm wading through some changes and am NO expert. When I said less grammar, I also meant using less sit-down, grammar-book grammar and more taking our grammar into our writing and learning grammar a lot more through Latin. I really have no reason to clarify that...just felt like it. :lol:

4-6 sentences. Not a paper paper. I didn't clarify. We used WWE up until now and made the switch to CAP so I could utilize it with both of them. I'm trying to continue with what was learned in WWE. I'm taking a less grammar, more Latin, more writing approach this year. We use TOG, so I'm requiring him to write 4-6 sentences on a specific thread or person twice per week, more of a notebooking page. Then he is doing interest-led science with library books, and I'm asking that he write once per week, 4-6 sentences for that. It's working so far, but if we get bogged down, I'll cut back. I took a leap this year and changed some things up, so I'm still in the trial-and-error part of it all. :)

I don't like them and don't let the kids wear them.

I'd like to know as well. We are using it and enjoying it. My "plan" has been to use it this year and next year, get through level 4, then see where we are with it. If we are loving it and learning, we will continue. If not, I plan to change to the Write Foundation at that point. I'm using it with a 3rd and 5th grader but requiring them to write 2 history papers and one science paper per week so that CAP is not their only writing. We also have Writing Aids with TOG, so I plan to do 3 weeks of CAP then one or two weeks of TOG WA. If I can utilize and really apply things we are learning in other subjects, I'm hoping I can make a go of it.

We are not far into the book, and I'm using it with a 3rd and 5th grader. I am seeing that I could easily use it without the student book at all. I am finding myself discussing/whiteboarding the questions that are in the student text via the teacher's manual then having them do their copy work, dictations, and papers in a notebook. I have the student book but may just have no one write in it and save it for my younger child.

I usually google food ideas to go with our studies. I've had great results, and we are more diverse in our cooking because of it. On a funny note, 7 years ago, I used sotw 4 and activity guide. I made the pizza. I have tweaked it just a tad since then, but that has become our standard pizza crust ever since.

I don't think she was saying that at. all!! It didn't look anything like it! :confused1:

THIS!!! This is the approach we have taken, and so far it has been a good choice for us. When under 18, we involved ourselves a lot more. Now that our oldest is college age, the years of discussions, guidance, prayer, and this child deciding what character qualities she desired in a boy, have been a great combination. She is free to make her own choices, but she has made the choice to find out about guys that are interested in her before going on a date. She is known for being nobody's fool. One guy was adored by many, was in a leadership position, but she observed that he was a player and pursued 4 or 5 girls at a time. He was NOT happy when she decided to have nothing to do with him. Love that girl!!! Prayer has been key. Things may change from child to child, based on God's leading for that child. I vehemently disagree with forcing a daughter to stay home with the dad having complete control over her life. I just don't think that is the one-anothering that Jesus was talking about.

:iagree: I just explained common grace and special grace to my kids. For some reason, common grace and its realities make me love God even more. How kind he is to those who don't even acknowledge Him as God and also to those who do. None of us deserve His grace, but He offers it nonetheless. "You are good, you are good, when there's nothing good in me. You are love, you are love on display for all to see..."

Our less is more is in the works daily right now, i.e., it is new for me and we are hammering it out as we go. I made some switches that have helped this. We are finally doing Latin and loving it. Via Latin: the copy work, Latin, grammar, and vocabulary is getting done in a more streamlined fashion. We've paired it with the Memoria Press Grammar recitation book and though it is light, it is allowing us to really focus and get more. We take those subjects into our reading and look for latin and grammar within our daily reading then integrate those subjects into our writing. I've combined my 3rd and 5th graders, and this is something I just. never. would. have. done!! I always felt they needed to be in grade-appropriate curriculum. I require more of the 5th grader, review what we are learning in little chunks and I'm seeing rules being applied, things clicking, joy... Also CAP has been a joy for us. The fact that it can be done in 3 days per week and is enjoyable has been great!! And TOG...who knew I could take that curriculum and make it less and do it from peace and rest. We're doing it, though, and loving it!! We aren't far into our year yet, but I grabbed multum non multa and schooling from rest, prayed thoroughly over the implementation of those into our lives, then we just jumped in. We are loving school this year. Oh, and math...math!!! Math is going great. We use singapore, always have. My view of it is different. We work for 30 minutesish per day, maybe more/maybe less. If there is a struggle with some topic (like long division last week), we may do 3 or 4 problems then let it go. We pull it out the next day and keep going. My 8yo son is loving math more because I'm not hammering on him to get through this many problems or finish this many pages. When things are easy, he can run through several pages per day. When they are difficult, it may be half a page. It all evens out.

Bravo, Saddlemama!!! You nailed it!!

We got ours quickly, like that day. He needs to study the book/info in prep for the written test. It says 6 hours but I don't know if we spent that long. Gather your documents. There seemed to be a LOT of hoops to jump through on this phase. You need his social security card, his birth certicificate, two bills with your name on them proving you are who you say and live with him, a form (in the packet) showing he is homeschooled, a form that you sign showing you have no arrests or DWIs. There is more and I can't remember all of it. It was a pain to pull it all together. Call the dps, speak to a human, and ask for a detailed list of what you need to bring. I found that simpler than tryin to understand it all from the packet. After he has studied and is ready and you have pulled all of that together, he can take the written test. If he passes, he gets his permit, THEN you can start the driving. The online and driving portion is 55 hours total. Don't worry about not getting it done for him yet. He will have the work done well before his 16th Bday. We didn't do all of it until ds was 15 1/2.