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So... drummmroll... I can't really afford it, but if God has called me, then I will go... And He will supply the need. He has already had someone give me some of the Classical conversations supplies for free! So, my kid will not go into essentials, and I will be a tutor for Foundations - My oldest has already gone through Ancients-Contemporary history, so I will be trained properly to finally help them through memorization techniques. (I can't do memory work on my own, unless I am held accountable by other families.) I get lazy with any drill and kill type of work, so this will force me to do it with my kiddos. I just need for them to follow one time line and the intro to Latin is nice. Plus maybe presidents and other random cool vocabulary info. I never got that or art in this past year. I figure once they memorize the timeline the best they can in one year, then hopefully I can forgo the other years of a CC community and hopefully get the understanding of how to "schedule" a full school year in advance to keep me on track.
Too bad they aren't using Veritas Press cards. I think Veritas Press cards are way more biblically based -- although very US-centric- which is ok... but eh. At least we get it in a time line for one year. If I can pull songs back up for them every so often, then maybe more light bulbs will fire. The forcing of me to change my late night schedules and wake my kiddos on time, might actually get me to change how I school and they will have evenings more free. When we wake up late, they seem to be schooling all day... Anyhow, we settled on maybe a month of some IEW concepts, LLATL readers and book studies and maybe some projects, some Abeka readers, and Rod and Staff English 2 and Spelling 4. My DS couldn't do any other Spelling program - I tried 4 different ones, this is the only one that worked for him. Since R&S is structured for the teacher and pretty much open and go, I just need to go through more questions verbally, and he won't have to write too much. (Maybe he will like it a lot more in this way.) A culmination of MOH and SOTW or read 2 chapters of CHOW a week for Ancients. Apologia zoology 3. And, if I don't get to those, then I can just let the memory work be ok for all the kiddos. They will have covered art and Music and latin with Classical Conversations, and I will be teaching them piano at home.
Last year we seemed to touch every "method" except for Charlotte Mason. Although, I know CHOW is in ambleside online year 3.5 so... maybe-- tight squeeze..
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Really liked this thread. Glad to see the different perspectives. I was going through several personal pro's and con's myself. But Really happy about the not having to make it our spine:
Entering into CC this year:
Pro's: Never could do memory work without a co-op, so now's my chance. Positive praise from other people helps with my lack of praise. The memory work is thorough for the items they chose. I can do it for one year, so that the vocabulary for every subject is touched upon so that when they get to it later, it will click. Personal choice on home curriculum will not hinder this. Frankly, big on MOH in our house here. (We've done 3 and 4 of Story of the World too). Intend on meshing the two curriculum personally with CC as the sole function as a memory helper. My oldest has already gone through Creation - modern history so, this would make him one step closer to mastering the subject and all these subjects are not random facts for DS ~also, my oldest has done all of Considering God's creation, many of the elementary Apologia books (except for zoo3 and human anatomy.) They get to have many aha! moments when all the foundational vocabulary of each subject is laid out. It will force me to wake up earlier and not be a lazy homeschooler.
Cons: I am disappointed the history sentences are all over the place, even though they said Ancients for cycle 1 history.
The new acts and facts cards are not as biblically based as the veritas press cards. Veritas puts it all in biblical and biblical topics order first. Need to really de- emphasize Greek and Roman influences at home when dealing with memorizing "gods", especially for the littles. Time is a precious commodity for me because I will loose 1 day plus 30 minutes of practice a day.
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https://www.facebook.com/suriafan/videos/10150523593249975/ is this lattice method? Should I just use this and be done with it? (he won't necessarily think about it in his brain in a mathy way though, right?
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ALB- I am in the same boat! Spelling WO B for one and R&S 3,4 for my older! I like both. My son needed R&S because he officially started in 2nd grade for his spelling. Juggling the 3 kids, and learning issues, everything came together when R&S came along. My girl can do Spelling workout fine, but my son needed R&S because of the Christian teachings and the focus being just slightly different. My boy has an aversion to writing. So, even though it is great reinforcement for some to write the words in sentences, Spelling workout last page was another reason for my son to dislike spelling or english as a subject. My dd loves the writing using some of the words and making up stuff. My son would rather aurally say the words in a sentence and not have to write everything out. So, I make him say the word in a sentence and make him spell the word when he says it in the sentence as part of the drill activity. I would say SWO is a little bit more open and go once you do the drill and they know how to see, say, draw, write the word, but you really have to know your student. I also bought the AAS tiles, because sometimes, it helps for really difficult to remember words, to put them up high on a spelling board with different colors to help them solidify it in their heads, so they are using a different ways to photographically memorize it in their brains. (for non-natural spellers)
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Considering God's creation is good for the the first accounts of creation. It covers lots except for chemistry and physics.
Oops, nevermind, doesn't have enough of a history component for your needs.
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Yeah, we did switch to graph paper but the facts were being messed up and then he wouldn't add up correctly because he erased and put it in the wrong column etc. The MUS way was to put enough space to multiply everything out and then add so you would carry over the tens or hundreds number underneath the problem line not on top of your equation and cross off when you've added. I am thinking about just letting him write out his times tables more then use it as a cheat sheet for that day to do the harder problems later . I am glad that I wasn't the only one in this boat.
http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/550289-hit-a-wall-in-sm3a/?fromsearch=1
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Welcome!!!!!
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SOOO close! I am 8th away to being the 5000th post writer!
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One Step- I looked at it. Lots of counting diagonally. I don't know if I could implement that on my own. (Besides youtube videos.) I made many mistakes doing it that way. I understood the premise once though. I will consider it.
After a few weeks of LOF maybe and the copying the http://donpotter.net/pdf/multiplication-matrix.pdfchart for awhile and then re try the multi digit stuff? Then, if it fails then Lattice? 6 times tables through the 9's he still hasn't mastered.
I am thinking about making Life of Fred my math Spine curriculum. I just can't see how I can take away the teacher prep time with all the other curriculum and maintain a sane homeschooling time and money budget for next semester. (LOF is borrowed so far...)
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Barefoot Mommy - Wow... I didn't realize the SM's HIG's were so important as well as the suggested manipulatives you just mentioned-- I figured I could just use the same square rods from Math U See in place of the cuisanaire rods , and the textbook was all I needed (I have so many manipulatives in the house, counting bears, flash cards, Sigh... You would think they would incorporate the teacher's stuff with the textbook.)
But now my son loves LOF. He will have finished book one in 1 week, today is Sunday he can do the last 3 chapters in one day. If he continues at this pace, he can finish reading everything all the way to end of 3rd grade by the end of the summer - Don't know what to do... We stopped just before 3A in Singapore. Trying to do what won't bleed us dry in the funds and the time. My friend is willing to loan us Life of Fred. - I even called the Library to have them purchase a set for our local library. And he self taught. I had no prep time what so ever.
I have many of the Singapore texts and workbooks through 6A --I didn't use the HIG's. Grrr... No wonder I'm at a loss. I bought used, and didn't think to research enough about the whole package, because at the used sales, none had HIG's.... I was doing what I could get for inexpensive or free and got so busy, that MUS was easier, cause he would just play the DVD and do the work. Poor kid... this mommy doesn't have all the right tools. Was trying to spend less teacher prep time on math so that english could go smoother. I really botched this one up.... I thought MUS would work... I went through Gamma TWICE... Units 18-27 Grr.
I just realized, if I had to buy all the HIG's and have $17.50 for each one, then it'd be $25.00 for 3A, 3B plus shipping and any manipulatives I don't have. I have some linking cubes, and the 100 chart and place value I could print out. Start him back on 3A with singapore? Grrr.. Teacher prep too? How long does that take? Juggling lesson planning is not my forte. Love open and go curriculums...
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I have been searching using ical on the computer to plan. Too bad there isn't anything to populate the fields quickly.
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Kiwik - I did follow MUS and We did place value notation, I didn't think it was important, but we did it anyway following how they did it. He got it at a very base level, but just couldn't make the leap forward. We did that place value Unit twice (I was never was taught this method in grade school- we just memorized the multiplication tables and applied them using simple carry over method and add up) but I understand it now, and with MUS it reviews it until you know it very well, but he just couldn't do it with confidence to apply it to his multiple digit multiplication in a quick fashion. I reviewed multiplication tables and am still reviewing it, so that he's not taking 2 hours for 4 problems of 4756 x 349 for example. This has been the second year using the same curriculum MUS DVD and same stumbling blocks. I needed another way. It's painful to sit with him through this and he was struggling with his simple facts yet again. We have since put on timez attack and xtramath.com for simple math tables review and LOF. He still hasn't mastered 6,7,8,9 with times tables accurately with speed (3 second mastery) on his xtramath chart. I like the act of writing out his times tables once every day for 2 weeks, we'll see how that goes as well. --That idea was on the other thread that someone else linked me to.
k button- i don't know about slowness - He seems to really understand most things well, it's not the same "slowness" that I have witnessed like other kids I've taught. First time knowing he has Irlen, and might possibly have a form of lexia. His Irlen- is a visual processing issue that was corrected, but I don't know if he's still missing something. I used a musical method MUS audio multiplication audio cd to memorize his times tables but it's not clicking fast enough. He has to run through the whole song to get one math fact right and sometimes he sings the fact wrong... So trying everything and anything to get him back to the right concepts track.
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My friend just lent us Life of Fred. He started on Monday and he's on chapter 13 of apples!!! I am so proud of him. AND HE LOVES IT. He'll be done apples by the end of the week! All the while tagging along to his sister's Dr. appointments and doing other homework. I can't believe how much he loves it. This is 'drop jaw' amazing. I know that Apples is the equivalent to Kindergarten, but this is still so much fun and the least time consuming ever, and he is learning mathy concepts and Mathematician history . Teacher intensity and involvement is close to 2of 10 (which is barely anything). ( When my DS loves it, the frustration is over for both of us. WHEW!!! Hope that if/when he gets to "g or H" level in a month or 2, And if He gets into a nice groove and doesn't have the same road blocks, then I will have really found my answer. As much as I want to try CLE- I think that LOF is doing what I could not with the other 2=Instantly love math. I will eventually hand him some worksheets for reinforcement for harder multiplication problems, etc, but It's going to be LOF for awhile. Thank you wonderful ladies for all your input. And, he is answering things mostly correct without cheating and he understands the concepts readily. Somehow, I think that there is a method to learn every subject without too much drill and kill, just have to find the right combination for each kid.
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Factoring is helping here, but we just really started heavily on factoring in the past few weeks so I don't know about long-term retention yet.
Place value notation has been of great help.
VERBALIZING what they are doing has also been a help. For instance, reading out large numbers. Reading out fractions. Reading out math problems. Then copying down what I read out to them. I had no idea how much they were actually missing because they were forgetting the words or misunderstanding the words or flipping words or whatever. CLE has had the kids reading out a lot of things or writing what I speak and it really has helped.
One thing that I found was NOT working was using a mastery program. The kids don't retain anything without lots of spiral review, and they get bored doing the same thing over and over. CLE does a lot of rotation of materials so that has helped.
Thank you One step!!! Is CLE spiral?
Oh and Thank you for linking from the dyslexic board sbgrace. Hugs! I just need to stay over on that board! LOL.
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Two things strike me. You are skipping around a lot. Each curriculum in math builds on itself, and when you switch around, you leave gaps. No curriculum is given a fair chance this way. If you need to make a switch, I think it can be necessary sometimes with a lot of research, but this is a lot for such a young student, not to mention costly. I would try to choose the best one that fits your needs and try to stick with it for at least a full year unless it is total misery.
Second, it sounds like you like MUS because of the teaching videos, but in fairness, this looks like the only curriculum you are using with the teaching resources. Kindergarten is easy enough for some, but for many programs, half of the program is in the teachers manual. If you continue with Singapore, you will need the HIG, especially since the terminology and approach differs from traditional math. You need the curriculum guide for A Beka, which shows which facts and concepts to present when, and what terminology is specific to that program. If you hit a roadblock in a program, the teachers guide will help you get through it. You can always stop and go slow. But a roadblock alone isn't a reason to switch unless you see many problematic roadblocks down the road.
I use A Beka math, and for kindergarten, there are a lot of moving parts. I skip several of them. I have some of the flashcards and tons of Saxon manipulatives I use and substitute things. My son likes to do a workbook page each day, and we will often do two lessons since about every lesson is oral only. I use notebook paper instead of felt numbers and teddy bear counters for a lot. I skip a few things I don't have. I rarely look much ahead, but I would not do it without the curriculum guide. I do use the older version for kindergarten if that makes a difference. First through third seems to have fewer extras than kindergarten and share several of the same visual aids like flashcards. It's a little more straight forward.
Sorry it does seem like I am Switching around alot.Two posts up I resurrected this thread from 4 years ago. Thank you for your insight. I went from Abeka K math to a combination of Singapore and MUS from Grade 1-3, I also Repeated grade 3 MUS. I tried to line up both as much as possible so that my son was doing similar things at the same time. He learned both math ways. This road block has been major. It's the same spot that made us repeat gamma (3rd grade) MUS from the multiplication tables. We have done both singapore 1A-3A and MUS Alpha-gamma for the last 4 years. I was trying to use one math curricula to help explain the the way to do it, and if he couldn't get easily adding one way eg (Singapore's addition in 1A), I'd try the other way (MUS Alpha mastery) several times until one way or the other worked for him. When we did Abeka my DS did Kindy in 3 months using some of the math games. I didn't use the curriculum guide much. I need desperately an open and go curriculum with low teacher intensity, because I am swamped with English/LA for my 3 kiddos. My DS is slower than the rest of my kids and slows down the other girls in the family.
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I don't worry a lot about math fact memorization--we use a chart for reference as needed. I do worry about number sense and conceptual knowledge.
For instance, does your child understand that 3456 x 231 is the same as 1(6 + 50 + 400 + 3000) + 30(6 + 50 + 400 + 3000) + 200(6+ 50 + 400 + 3000)? (Assuming I typed that out right--it's late!)
Does he understand factors? Have you factored with him? My son did a lot better with multiplication when we started factoring.
www.educationunboxed.com has some wonderful free videos that work on facts and concepts using cuisinaire rods. They do some fun stuff with factoring as well.
He has done that 1(6 + 50 + 400 + 3000) + 30(6 + 50 + 400 + 3000) + 200(6+ 50 + 400 + 3000)? In MUS a couple of times, but place value notation I thought wasn't important. I let him do some, but didn't feel the need for him to master it.
Haven't done factors as much-- Although he has done some and he does have the www.donnayoung.org triangle math flashcards. Don't know how to move on with math -- should I switch to something like Miquon? I have him playing timesattacks and www.xtramath.com
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Thank you for this post!!!
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Revisiting this thread - it's now 4 years later. He got up to MUS Gamma (3rd grade) unit 27 and ROAD BLOCK. I've retaught him all the multiplication tables three times and repeated 3rd grade gamma MUS. He can't line up the four digit times 3 digit multiplication problems to correctly perform one problem in less than 30 minutes. Maybe go back to abeka and ditch the TM's? has anyone done this? I am using www.xtramath.com to reinforce his multiplication tables and www.multiplication.com to give him a visual, and he is very slowly progressing. Trying to figure out if he has dyslexia, but even if he did, I don't know if maybe what I am doing is what every other homeschool mom has done? sang a number song, quizzed using flash cards, repeated the book several times, changed learning tables ideas, curriculum, Maybe I should switch to abeka math? Maybe spiral is key? I have singapore, haven't used it yet because he is close to getting the rest "green" on his multiplication tables on xtramath.com
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Lori D. THANK YOU for your input.
The local Classical conversations- I would need to be a tutor to offset costs and I would have to pay for all three to be in foundations. But that means I would also not be able to afford Essentials. Grrr... I thought about just essentials for my DS, but don't have the money for it. I didn't know if IEW vs the charlotte mason-ish -cottage hill press would be better. I can't do both.
On Spelling- Rod and Staff has been wonderful for my ds. That curriculum he can actually go through with out it taking forever. He still takes substantially more time than my daughter when she does spelling workout B. She can do 2 pages to his one page. I won't switch that curriculum though. I also know to use AAS magnetic tiles when he gets stuck, or needs to think about words differently to memorize them. I would think that he could do the same thing to memorize his multiplication tables, using a visual idea like multiplication.com, but it's still plodding along with the xtramath and multiplication facts.
This would also be projection schooling ideas for September, and by that time, my kids would be 10,7,5.
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Do I continue with this? Or try to correct him? He hates writing, but when he does cursive it's beautiful. When he does print it's not as pretty. Third grade stuff (I held him back so we could catch him back up with spelling and math. Should I take a picture and you could tell me what you think?
Trying to balance our school year next year and it is writing that is slowing everything and everyone else in the family down. Possibly going with Classical conversations foundations next year and trying to contemplate going with just a charlotte mason type curriculum or IEW with their essentials class.
Charlotte mason is just narration, copywork, dictation with light grammar. He hated WWE I don't know if this method would be worse or better.
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No he hasn't.
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I bought both cottage press (I had a charlotte mason energy going on) and LLATL and am looking at a friend's copy of IEW.... And, I was wanting to have some easy days -- some of LLATL days are long.
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Praise report: My DS got his Irlen lenses and has gotten several 100%'s on his 3rd grade R&S spelling tests!!!
Problem area: My ds really doesn't like writing, and I finally got his Irlen issues resolved (visual distortion via specific light waves causing a brain interpretation issue), but he is still gradually figuring things out since he got his lenses in Dec. So, here's what I see problematic, he knows cursive, and he points his pencil tip south towards himself as he writes, but fights me on it. He sped up from usually taking 2 hours to write something to 38 minutes to write a paragraph (That's still too long imho, but way better than before).
So, I have an issue, should I go with a Charlotte Mason Approach= Narration, copy work and dictation with cottagepress.com? (15 minute incremental lessons) Or, should I go with IEW? I think he could only handle 1 approach.
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For orange- The older versions and newer version have a dictation passage that isn't pre-written in cursive.
The newer versions have it laid out better... so that you can see more instruction on how to focus on spelling or grammar rules with better visuals than the older versions. The workbooks help it be more independent learning, and it connects it from the actual book that they have read-- less arbitrary, more focused. Orange- both versions want you to read about 4-5 readers that are more necessary to read, because of the book study portions. I have both old version Teacher's manual and new version workbook only - they are very very similar, the order is just different and the new Workbook has a little more functionality than the older version. It explains some of the spelling and grammar concepts better and in a better visual way, since it is all there for you without you needing to prep. And sequencing cut outs are pre-done in the workbook. It's only 4-5 readers which is minimal compared to say Abeka which has about 6-10 larger books with many many short stories -- I Love the fewer required readers from LLATL, because we have other books that jive with science or history that we want to go through from the library with our other history and science books. And we make my kid read through specific A Beka readers too, so he gets other types of stories throughout the year.
I can't remember everything but off the top of my head-- required reading- for both versions; If you skimp out on the orange readers, you kinda leave the kid dangling with no relationship to the actual literature all the exercises are derived from. Goto half.com or thriftbooks.com and you'll see the readers cheap.
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When to transistion from CLE to Saxon?
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Anyone go from CLE 410 to saxon, and which one? or did you switch solely from CLE 600 to saxon 8/7? Just trying to line up with the co ops in the area.