Hey everyone! :) If it isn't fixed by Friday, my head may explode. :willy_nilly:

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I used both PL and LL. My oldest did PL, Minimus I & II, LL, First Form and is now finishing Second Form. PL was very gentle, yes, but overall I thought it was a waste of time. My kids loved LL and I thought it was very easy to use, even though I didn't know much Latin at the time. Part of it depends on the age of the child. PL would be okay for a younger child than LL. Part of it depends on your personality. PL is more "school-y" if that is your thing. LL, while it covers much more Latin, is more geared towards home/individualized education. Part of it depends on your goals. Do you want mostly just exposure (PL) or more grammar study (LL)?

I just got Uncovering the Logic of English and I love it. I have been using The ABCs and All Their Tricks but ULE is laid out so much easier. It has charts in the back that you can just go straight down and teach the rules.

Take this with a grain of salt, I haven't done Diogenes yet. :) But I do have it and am planning on using it next year with my (then 13yo). It seems MUCH easier to implement (just from looking at it) than Homer. With the workbook, it is pretty much open and go, it looks like to me. I also did not do all of Homer, but I think we'll be fine. If your dd is a good writer (I think you said?) I think you'll be fine.

Tentative shedule for next year (beginning in July) for my (will be) 13yo: 7-get up, get ready, eat breakfast 7:30 -practice music 8- together time (poetry, chants, memory work, Bible study, read alouds, that kind of thing) 8:30 - Forester's Algebra I (1 hour), Henle Latin I (1 hour), Classical Writing Diogenes Maxim + literature (reading list) (1.5 hours) 12 - lunch & break 1 - U.S. History (1 hour) - (mostly literature based), Elementary Greek II (30 minutes), RS4K Chemistry Level II (1 hour) He has to be done by 3:30 because he has a couple of neighborhood jobs and will have to leave for football by 5 most days. Also, we do an arts enrichment program one day, so this is only 4 days a week. It's basically 7 hours a day (if you count music) with a 1 hour break. I can't give more specific times because I have 3 other children to teach and I have to move subjects around depending on who is working independently and who I need to teach. But those are the times I try to plan for.

I believe they use it in their school in 4th grade. And yes, I personally believe it's doable with an advanced 4th grader. There is a lot of writing, but you could do some of that work orally if you needed to.

I never read this as a kid, but I am reading it now with my kids and I think it is the BEST BOOK EVER! :thumbup: I think it would be fine for a 10 year old boy. No, not fine, WONDERFUL! Can you tell I am loving this book? I can't wait to finish it and read the LotR books. I can't believe I missed these as a kid when I read everything else out there. (And I love, love, LOVE the Narnia books, too.)

For what age child?

If he didn't take a bite first, I'd think aliens had abducted him and replaced him with a robot. :eek:

I did not say that people who study math and Latin did not ever have to study logic, formal or informal. What I said was, I don't believe it is necessary in middle school. I do not have a high schooler yet, but I do intend to have all of my children take formal logic when they get to high school. Sure. Cives lege reguntur. First he had to know that cives was (1) citizen, (2) nominative, (3) plural. Then he had to know that lege was (4) law, (5) ablative, (6) singular. Then he had to know that reguntur was (7) to rule, (8) 3rd person, (9) plural, (10) passive voice, & (11) present tense. Then he had to know that (12) since lege was in the ablative case and was used with a passive voice verb it needs to have "by" in there to translate it into English correctly. Then he had to know that to put it all together as "citizens are ruled by law" might sound strange, so (13) he needed to add in an article which doesn't exist in Latin just to make it sound right in English, "The citizens are ruled by law." Sorry, I guess that was 13.

For an 11 year old, I think your signature said, for Biblical Greek, another vote for Elementary Greek. She can go as quickly as she wants or as slowly as she needs. It is a good program for that age.

Have you ever tried Webster's old speller? There is a version online for free at www.DonPotter.net , and it is definitely not babyish. No pictures at all, actually, and it starts them with syllables so they are reading words like frugal before words like sail. He might like to be reading bigger, multisyllable words.

I agree with the logic part especially. I do not believe it is necessary to study logic in middle school if you are rigorously studying Latin & math. I was just grading a Latin test for my oldest yesterday and there was a sentence he had to translate from Latin into English where there were 14 different things that he had to get right for the sentence to be right. 14! For ONE sentence. And this was a THREE word sentence. There are times when only one letter (or even one macron) makes the difference between two totally different meanings. The amount of thinking that goes into it is amazing. Same with math if you can find good word problems, especially. Trying to figure out what they are asking and how you get that with the information given, that is giving the brain a pretty good workout.

Typical school day for my 12yods begins with me having to wake him up and feeling sorry for him because he is so tired and maybe he needs more sleep because he is growing. Typical Saturday for my 12yods begins with him waking me up at 7AM playing Rush on his electric guitar and me going down stairs groggy to see him dressed and teeth brushed, dog let out and fed, breakfast consumed, playing said guitar, and me saying, :glare: "If you can do this on a Saturday, you can do this on a Monday!" At which he replies, "But I'm more tired on school days!" :001_huh: One day I will figure parenting out, then I can tell my kids how to do it, right? :lol:

Giving you a bump, this is a great question.

I am partial to ETC for kids who like workbooks.

Side question, too. 8Fillthe Heart, is there a difference between the different versions of Foerster's Algebra I? Are the older ones better or are they the same, if you know?

Sarcasm doesn't go over very well on the internet.

Full school days, 4-5 days a week depending on what other activities are giong on, 6 weeks on, a week off, coordinated around holidays. We take a week at Thanksgiving and 2 weeks at Christmas, regardless. We normally finish the bulk of our work by the first week of May and then do half days, filling it out with whatever we didn't get to (there is always something!). We basically take June off, though we do 1-2 subjects a day of whatever we need to keep up or work on more. Then start our "new" year right after July 4th. This schedule allows me to take an extra "mental health" week off if I need it sometime during the year.

I don't think I've heard of these books. Who is the publisher? My in laws will occasionally give the kids things I don't like, but I usually just put it aside for awhile then get rid of it. But, they rarely ask about it later. I agree with the one who said deflect, as in -- we haven't been able to get to them yet (true, and we never will is the left-off part), how's (insert her favorite topic of discussion that isn't this)? That is usually my tactic in these types of situations.

The Easter Bunny eats eggs? That's a new one for me! I would have thought carrots or cabbages!:lol: Seriously, I am curious. I have never heard of anyone leaving anything out for the Easter Bunny. What is that about?

I agree with the others who said to go over the normal order with him, but not count it off. I use the Yoda example with my kids. I understand what Yoda is saying when he says, "Learn to use the force you must," but it sounds weird to our ears!

I do not use a separate grammar program once my kids start Latin. However, I use CW which has some grammar instruction (diagramming, parts of speech, mechanics, etc.) in the writing lessons. And I kind of breathe grammar. I am always correcting my kids when they use incorrect grammar. ("He has more than me!" "No, he has more than I. And he does not have more than you.":)) I make them diagram in English (CW) and in Latin. We play games with English like Mad Libs to reinforce parts of speech. And in their writing lessons, we go over the things we are learning in Latin and how they relate to English. So, I think the answer depends on you. How much do you naturally cover and will you use Latin for that?

Did I read that right? Bullied in PRESCHOOL? Isn't preschool still voluntary? Why is the kid still there?