All kids do something annoying occasionally. But when it is a persistent pattern that is constantly disruptive and causes issues with other kids or in groups, it's more than just normal kid behavior. My 16 year old son is, and has always been like this. It has been very difficult. I have no advice, just commiseration. :crying:

From CNN:

I don't know how they're going to enforce it. That's a giant headache. I do know that they don't have enough staff to do twice-daily face-to-face checks on the hundreds of people now being monitored. They will probably have to resort to fines or penalties of some sort to convince people to do what they're supposed to do.

The report about the hospital makes what CDC head Frieden said more clear. He was blamed for criticizing the nurse, but I don't think he was ever blaming her. He probably learned immediately of the hospital's poor handling of the situation, and was addressing that, without coming right out and saying "the hospital screwed up."

N95 respirators are designed to block 95% of particulates over a certain size. They don't do very well at blocking very small viruses, under about 80 nm. Ebola is right around 80 nm in diameter. It has been thought that the virus itself isn't airborne, but travels in droplets, which are much larger than that. N95 respirators are best at blocking particulates like droplets (sneezing, coughing, etc) and blood. Odors are molecules that travel through air. Viruses are made of hundreds of thousands of molecules, and although tiny, they are vastly larger than an odor molecule. You don't want the respirator to block molecules, or you wouldn't be able to breathe oxygen. So smell isn't a very good indicator of whether a respirator is blocking a virus.

I wonder if that's a regional thing... Anyone else ever been taught that?

I've never in my life heard that. Double gloving clearly improves protection.

I agree, but I have to say, when I heard the family was quarantined, I didn't immediately wonder if they had enough food. I sort of assume (wrongly, obviously) that people have food in the house, since I know I could go for weeks living on what's in my cupboards. Did the authorities know they didn't have food and ignore it? Or did they not know? On the other hand, as pet owner, the first thing I'd think of is how they are going to eat, since they are completely dependent on humans for that.

You aren't likely to lose any weight that way, and you are likely to injure yourself. I agree with hornblower. To lose weight, you really have to change what you eat. Exercise is great for fitness, but overweight people really damage their knees and backs when they run. Swimming or bike riding is much better.

From ABC I <3 Judge Jenkins.

Last I heard they have someone feeding the dog and there are no plans to euthanize.

I imagine that they are wearing those protective suits at the hgh level biosecurity facilities, but it is completely impractical for every community hospital in the US to have those. Here is an article describing them. There is just no way that all the caregivers of an Ebola patient are going to be able to wear those for every interaction.

Nebraska is one of four high level biosecurity patient care units in the US. From NPR

We already are. But once they are here, we should take care of them, shouldn't we?

I'm sure it is. These patients are critically ill. Health care workers will have many, many encounters with them throughout the day. Each patient will be in direct contact with many different workers each day-nurses, orderlies, physicians, lab techs, xray techs, doctors, housekeepers. So even though it is just a handful of patients, we are talking about many thousands of contacts with the potential for transmission. And so far we have one case of trasmission in this country.

This is an important point. In any Ebola outbreak, children are much less likely to get Ebola, because they aren't typically the caregivers. It's the people exposed to the bodily fluids that get sick- family caregivers and healthcare workers.

Keep in mind that these people are coughing, sneezing, vomiting, bleeding, having diarrhea... It's a very messy business and someone has to clean all that up.

Well, mainly the problem is the news doesn't have all the information, nor should they because of patient confidentiality. If they aren't testing, it's because they really don't think it's possible that the child has Ebola.

They are AWESOME. Just FYI, in case anyone is worried about the carbs, you can subtract the fiber from the carbs, leaving 4 net carbs per bar.

I wanted to add, I lost 30 pounds in about 2 months doing that, and now that I am at my goal, I eat healthy fats (dairy, avacados, nuts, butter, etc) and have maintained my weight without any problems. But if you want to continue to lose, cook with olive oil but skip the other fats and add them back in later.

For breakfast, Quest Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough protein bars. For lunch, salad with protein (chicken, ham, etc) or taco salad For dinner, 8 oz protein, veggies, and a salad. I don't get creative with the meat, but do lots of different things with veggies. Tons of great recipes at Andover Diet Center

The "news" may have said the spread throughout Europe is inevitable, but that is not what the WHO is saying. They are saying sporadic cases are unavoidable. Big difference, and should not be a surprise to anyone. Reuters "Europe will almost inevitably see more cases of the deadly Ebola virus within its borders but the continent is well prepared to control the disease, the World Health Organization's regional director said on Tuesday. ................ "It is quite unavoidable ... that such incidents will happen in the future because of the extensive travel both from Europe to the affected countries and the other way around." ....... "But the most important thing...is that Europe is still at low risk and that the western part of the European region particularly is the best prepared in the world to respond to viral hemorrhagic fevers including Ebola." .... "With case numbers in West Africa rising exponentially, experts say it is only a matter of time before Ebola spreads internationally. But they stress the chances of sporadic cases leading to an outbreak in Europe, the United States or elsewhere beyond Africa are extremely low.

I've worked in public health, and deliberate lying is never policy. The public doesn't always get every last detail, because it isn't necessary and can cause lots of unnecessary damage. But outright lying? No way. How would that even work? Every state and county has their own health department. You'd have to have hundreds of agencies, thousands of people, agreeing to tell the same lie. That's beyond ludicrous.

I must have missed that. I don't come here often anymore. I'll delete it.

:seeya: :seeya: :seeya: But I learned my lesson with Swine flu. :001_tt2: