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8FillTheHeart last won the day on April 14 2014

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  1. If he has adjusted that well and is finding classes that easy, he should consider seeking g out research opportunities. My ds started research his freshman yr and it opened up a lot of doors and helped challenge him.
  2. I have never used the words academic rigor in this thread. Deliberate appropriate education is my concern.
  3. I had promised myself that I was not going to get sucked back into posting in this thread, but I want to respond to this in order for my POV to be clear. Anyone who thinks I have raised a houseful of compliant neurotypical children should be/have been a fly on my wall over the yrs. My Aspie was so violent during puberty that one therapist's actual suggestion was for us to relinquish custody of him to the state so that the state would fund all of his therapies and med trials. (The suggestion that my POV has been formed by compliant children, um, not just no...…) We have 3 dyslexic children, one so severely so that I have been to by 2 reading specialists that if he had been in their schools he would have been labeled and pigeon-holed in a way that he would have never had access to accelerated track courses bc they have been told that kids do not ever progress from non-readers to advanced students as late as 5th and 6th grade. Getting him to read was a labor of love similar to what Ruth described about her ds with dysgraphia. I met him every single day where he was. When he was 10 yrs old I was reading him his algebra book bc he couldn't read it but he could do the math. He ended up graduating from college with a 4.0 GPA and is now a grad student at Berkeley. When he was 10, I despaired whether or not he would ever be able to read and write on a high school level. I also have 3 kids with anxiety. My aspie is disabled by his anxiety. My current 12th grader's anxiety is not as bad as his, but it does limit what energy she has to function. She only considered colleges where she could live at home b/c she knew her limitations meant she couldn't handle all day interactions and have no time to decompress and breathe without stress. All that said, my opinion does not change.
  4. If it can be used in a co-op or independently, there is a large market. If it requires the parent to be actively involved as teacher, the targeted market is very small, especially at the high school level. Not outsourcing high school level courses is definitely a small percentage.
  5. This goes to the heart of my thoughts. Younposted earlier that homeschoolers weren't "schooling" but "educating." I didn't respond bc really it isn't that simple. It is more complicated bc the question is what does it mean to be educated?
  6. There were pockets, but it was different. They were not the majority. They did not control the "platform". Today it is not just a handful of homeschoolers. It is the homeschool market advertising and profiting, social media platforms, co-ops, etc all spewing the same. Workshops on how to be a better teacher were the norm at conventions.....not which curriculum is the easiest to teach or park your kid in front of and let it do the teaching for you. It didn't "just happen." Posters were here bc this was the gathering place for those with high academic standards. We didn't use the same curriculum or even teach the same courses, but we shared the same objective of being the best teachers we could be in order to help our children reach their maximum potential. Academics was the focus. Pushing and encouraging each other to be better teachers with clearly formed objectives was the norm. We held each other to a higher standard which was outside of ps definitions or outcomes. We were homeschooling bc we wanted something better/deeper intellectually for our children. Goodness, "draconian homeschoolers united" was an actual motto amg the majority of the high school posters. In more recent yrs, this was my refuge against the wave of mediocrity that surrounded me IRL. Your sentiment of staying to encourage on newbies is nice, but let's face it, everyone wants to talk to others who share their values and goals and are on on a similar intellectual level. I am still homeschooling. Yes, I currently only have three at home, two next yr. But that is equivalent to most avg families and I still have 8 more yrs to go. I can encourage others, but the philosophical academic support for me to stretch myself to be the best teacher I can be on a daily basis is gone. Farming out to co-ops, outsourced classes, etc has become the norm. Even though I absolutely refuse to go down that path, they were conversations I had gotten used. But, defending a 2 hr high school day is an academic low so low that it is obvious that any "refuge" is simply an illusion, or more accurately a delusion. Me, too, but astounded does not begin to capture my thoughts. Unfortunately, it isn't just the newbies. It is the dominant voice, the marketing, the acceptance that parents don't want or need to teach bc "this" or "we" will do it for you (whatever it even is.) Philosophy, methodology......vocabulary words, not goals.
  7. It doesn't. This thread has completely deflated me. It has forced me to recognize that my long time homeschooling companion is ill, most likely terminally. I had seen the symptoms but willingly ignored them. I am realizing that getting my 9 yr old to graduation is going to be very lonely.
  8. I think the bolded is key and not what is generally being discussed in terms of staing 2 hrs for high school.
  9. We do have to provide an education. If we give a diploma, it should reflect a minimal standard. Teaching our children doesn't require similar methodologies as b&m schools, but that is not the same as saying there are no expectations.
  10. The simple fact that on the WTM forums you have to defend high school requiring more than 2 hrs unfortnately speaks volumes. It is also disheartening and makes me wonder if posting is even worth the effort.
  11. Most states require a minimum level of expectation. If a homeschool is awarding the equivalent of a high school diploma, certain courses at minimum should be reflected as having been studied. Students with disabilities do have different needs and their educations should be modified in order to enable them to be the most successful they can be. But to swing a conversation about education in general into a conversation about disabled students with individual needs is not really representative of what is being discussed. No, I do not accept the premise that your avg student is being well-served by receiving 2 hrs of academics as a high school student.
  12. Yes, goals matter. Entry level composition courses are not my goal for high school English. Reading great literature and understanding the cultural influences are a huge part of our homeschool.
  13. Me, too. I received an excellent education at a rural school in the middle of tobacco country. I want my kids to have at minimum an equivalent education to what I received. I can't fathom covering more than math and English in 2 hrs at a high school level ( and there are many days where those 2 take even longer than 2 hrs.) But then again, that is why we I get to control their educations. 🙂
  14. You dont sound crazy to me. I have been posting on these forums since my 30 yr old ds was in 6th grade. The type of discussion has radically altered over time and in the past few yrs equally declined in volume. Teaching methodologies and philosophies and how they impacted educational choices/outcomes used to be frequent conversations. (Ester Maria, Myrtle, and others were posters who really challenged you to think about decisions).
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