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I've heard that the Future Learn Shakespeare course is excellent, apparently much better than the one I'm taking. How is the workload with them? Manageable?

Where are you taking the Greek literature class, Sebastian?

Right now I'm taking two MOOCs courses through edX, one on Shakespeare and one on Dante's Inferno. I'm enjoying both of them, the Dante course in particular is pulling me out of my comfort zone. Otherwise, I'm on a couple of Goodreads groups where we read classics together and also I'm reading through the Well-Educated Mind biographies section with a couple of people. When I get more time (is this just a foolish dream? :001_huh: ) I'd like to continue with my Greek and Latin studies that I started with my dd and she is since far beyond me. But when, I don't know. Are you wanting to dabble in a little self-education yourself? What are you interested in?

Thank you so much, Kareni!! I've downloaded them all!

What inspired your dd to learn Russian? I would imagine it's not an easy language to learn, as you also have to learn a completely different script. Well, good for her! I've read Eugene Onegin translated by Charles Johnston and translated by James A. Falen. I preferred the Falen translation over Johnston (and this is coming from someone who is "translation-picky"!) Ooops, I tried to copy over the information about the translations from my blog post, but the brown background of my blog is showing up, so I'll simply link you to the post: http://cleoclassical.blogspot.ca/search/label/Author%3A%20Pushkin You probably don't want to read all my read-along posts, so check out the top post and the explanation is part way down. This blog: http://tasseledbooks.com is from a native Russian speaker and she has some posts about Pushkin too, and perhaps some unique insights. I loved Eugene Onegin so much, that I bought a big book of his poems and short stories. I'm just itching to get to it. All the best to your daughter in her Russian studies! ~ Cleo ~

I have a book list on my children's book blog Children's Classic Book Carousel. Look on the Master List, as I don't have the chronological list complete yet. Best of luck with your search! ~ Cleo ~

I wouldn't drop vocabulary. I made it simple by choosing three words per week when she was younger and working up to about 6 per week in later elementary. The words were always challenging ------ I figured that she would naturally learn what easier words meant, such as "obstacle" and "amplify" so I didn't use them and deliberately choose words like "acrimonious" and "obsequious". It worked very well. She is now 15 and working her way through books like "The Iliad" and "Anna Karenina". I'm a huge proponent of giving students a good vocabulary base. I think copywork is an excellent choice. My dd didn't do as much as I would have liked, but it certainly gives good practice in constructing good sentences, as long as the model used is appropriate. I dropped our spelling program in grade 2 but I did make note of any spelling errors in her writing and used those for spelling practice. She's a pretty good speller though and a voracious reader. But if your children are good spellers, I don't see the point in forcing them through a program.

Sebastian, apparently the student book can come with all the answers, answers to odd problems or no answers, and sadly my book is the one with no answers. So I really need so find something. I'm learning alot about Dolciani through this process though! :svengo:

Hi Colleen! It's good to see your posts again! I've been off the boards for awhile trying to keep up with my dd's sports schedule. :willy_nilly: Thanks for the link. I'm checking with them to make sure that it is what it says it is. Jumped, I will check E-bay. You are right ~~ they are expensive! Yikes! But I guess there's not much you can do, and once you have them, you have them. Thanks all!

Because I live in Canada, they are not easy to find here, in fact I've never seen any in the used bookstores and thrift stores I frequent for books. However, I do live near the border and go across regularly, so I'll keep my eyes open. I bought the books that I have on Amazon, and I can keep an eye out. But if no one else chimes in, I may try Houghton Mifflin again. It may take awhile but hopefully I can find some to help me. Thanks again!

Thanks Sebastian! I guess I should have specified that Book 1 is published 1962 and Book 2 1963. I tried doing a search last night and just the texts were coming up at $950 and $60 respectively. Yikes! But I couldn't find teacher editions or solutions manuals and I'd like to get them ASAP. I did see some of the threads about people getting the manuals directly from HM. I'll pm the posters if I have to, but I thought there might be someone hanging around who has requested the solutions recently and may have the contact information. These must be pretty good texts to have people go to such lengths to get the answers!

I own Dolciani's Modern Algebra Structure & Method Book 1, and Modern Algebra & Trigonometry Structure and Method Book 2, however I haven't been able to find the Teacher's Editions which, I believe, contain the answer keys. Has anyone contacted Houghton Mifflin for the answer keys and, if so, do you have the contact information? I've tried online but their 1-800 numbers don't work in Canada (where I am), and I was only able to reach an obscure department who didn't know what I was talking about. I'd appreciate any information anyone can give. I have seen some WTM threads about this topic, but they are somewhat old, so I thought I'd see if there is any new information out there. Thanks in advance!

You're welcome! I wish there had been a little more introduction and instruction too, but I think it's at the level where they give you something and you have to figure it out for yourself. Do you have the Weekly Study Checklist? I get my dd to come to me each day with it to make sure everything is checked off. Luckily she did 3 levels of Elementary Greek, so it's been reasonably easy for her so far. I can't imagine starting at square one in this course. Your ds will probably have to work very hard at the beginning but it should get easier as he goes along.

Your ds and my dd are in the same class! Neat! Luckily my dd did her homework early and had it submitted. It was the quiz that was the issue ……….. the teacher said afterward that Quia was only down for an hour but the note on the Quia site said it would be down from Sat morning until Sun at 7 pm. so she waited until Monday to do the quiz and then had the problems with the connection dropping. He had to reset the quiz for her and then made a very pointed remark in class about it. I've already e-mailed that we read that Quia was down for basically two days, so if your ds says that too, that's at least two of us. Does the homework count for the actual mark? I don't think so, but even so, I guess they are looking for good study habits. I do realize that Lukeion have high standards and I really appreciate that, but I thought that they would be a little more understanding during the first weeks while these problems get sorted out. It's not like only a couple of students are having problems ……. there are many of them. And I don't understand why they can't give better instructions for using the Greek font …?? They must have these problems at the beginning of every single course, so you'd think that they would already have a FAQ sheet about it. It took me about 4 e-mails to learn that we had to use the Greek Polytonic keyboard and the IFAO Greek unicode font together; perhaps it's obvious to them but to a student starting out, it is "Greek" to them, and good instructions would be helpful. In any case, tell your ds to hang in there! It has to get better! …….. doesn't it? :sad: P.S. My dd says she thought he was having trouble getting into the homework and wonders if he was finally able to get into it? She also wants to know if you've seen this help page for typing Greek in Windows: http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/greek-fonts.asp?pg=3

Thanks, Jumped. My dd is going to make sure that she gets her work done early on it to allow for any glitches. We have now figured out that we have to use the Greek Polytonic keyboard AND the IFAO Greek Unicode font at the same time to get the inverted breve. Now the problem is that she cannot get the inverted breve above the Greek character, it appears as a character of its own. Argh! :huh:

Jumped, I am quickly learning to be very careful with Quia! The only reason this was quiz was last minute was because Quia was down for the weekend, which Lukeion knew about ahead of time. She could have done the quiz early but wanted to make sure she'd studied properly so the only other option was last minute. I hope Quia being down is not a regular occurrence. Thanks so much for the link. I will get my dd to look over it. Right now she's grateful for any help she can get to get the/a font working properly.

Yvonne, my dd is typing into Word and copying over. I've checked in Word and the inverted breve still looks like a circumflex (option-i). :huh: We downloaded the Greek unicode that Mr. Barr recommends, but when she chooses it as a font and types in Word, the characters come up as English characters. Conversely, if she uses the Greek Polytonic keyboard option on Mac, the characters come up as Greek and there are only a few accent problems. I'm not sure if you have to do something to turn the Greek Unicode font "on" or not, but it doesn't give us Greek characters and when I've tried to download it again, it says we've already downloaded it, so I'm kind of puzzled. I'm so glad to hear that in spite of some glitches, your experience has been so good. It's great when a course teaches life skills as well as academics. ETA: She has used the keyboard viewer to look for the inverted breve and has only found the circumflex. This may be the key that is used for the inverted breve, but Mr. Barr doesn't seem to have much information in this regard and only directs us to the Greek unicode font which doesn't seem to be working either as it should. Sigh! I'm sure we'll get it worked out at some point!

Corraleno, my dd says that if she types directly into Quia and either waits too long, or types too long, Quia can shut down or lose everything, so she always types into a word document and then copies over. The only accent now that she seems to be having trouble with is the inverted breve. She can't find the key that looks like an inverted breve; she uses the circumflex accent (I think it's option-i on the Canadian keyboard) and Quia seems to accept it. I wish she could find a way to do a proper inverted breve though, because I wonder if she is going to have problems with it later on. They did finally reset the quiz but the response was "we'll reset it this time". It concerned her because it was out of her control and she's a little worried if it happens again that they won't reset it. I'll tell her it's not an unusual occurrence so she'll feel a little better. Thanks for your help and if your ds has any tips for using the Mac, we're all ears!

Thanks for the feedback, G5052. It's good to know that this is not unusual. It's my dd second online course, but the first did not have regular weekly classes with a teacher. I hope your week gets better too! Yvonne, I would love it if you could ask your ds how he is dealing with the Greek font. Right now my dd is using the Polytonic Greek keyboard on our Mac but the accents don't always look correct when she types them, however so far when she submits to Quia they seem to be accepting them. The teacher recommended a Greek unicode download, which we have downloaded but have yet to get instructions how to use it. There is the option also of buying a $50 program but I'd like to avoid this avenue if possible. Thanks for your pep-talk too! And it's nice to meet another person with a low tolerance for technical issues. Thanks for the encouragement, Mom2boys. I'll tell my dd that it will get better.

Has anyone's dc ever taken Lukeion Greek before, and if so, how was your experience? My dd just started Greek 1a. So far she has had problems with the typing the Greek alphabet on the Mac into Quia the program that they use ~~~ the solution was simple but the teacher didn't know what was happening and we had to figure it out by trial and error. Then, there was a specific program he wanted downloaded for the alphabet and my dd downloaded it and sent an e-mail asking how to use it and has never been given an answer. Now, on her first quiz she was unable to do it because the server was down on the weekend and she only has today to complete it. When she went in this morning, the screen blanked and then the program wouldn't let her in again because it said she only had one attempted and had used it. When she e-mailed the instructor said he would reset it, then she proceed to spend 20 minutes trying to get into again without success. This is so frustrating. I'd heard good things about Lukeion but this is not our experience so far. I do believe the problems are with Quia, but really, we are having to allot 2 hours for one hour of Greek with all these problems. Okay, I will stop venting now ….. :mad:

I'll ask my daughter and if she's interested, I'll pm you both!

My dd is 15 and I think she'd be interested. She loves photography, is taking Latin and Greek and she's presently reading Anna Karenina, so they sound like they would get along great! Let me know if your dd still wants a pen pal, and then I'll pm you.

You're very welcome! I hope you enjoy A Preface to Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost as much as I did! :)

I tried to use the Saylor English introductory course for myself. It was certainly easy to follow but I found some of their examples convoluted and not easy to understand. I even found an error in one of their tests/worksheets. I posted my questions in their help forum and got no response from a teacher (one student tried to help). I really was not impressed. Now different courses may be better, I'm not sure, but I didn't find that there was not the support needed with this one. I hope that helps you a little!