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I agree with Sailor Mom. My ds took both the ACT and SAT and he submitted his SAT score on his college applications because it was significantly better than his ACT score. Which was interesting, because based on his PSAT and PLAN test scores, he expected to do better on the ACT.
So Rosa, only submitting the score from one test over the other won't adversely affect your daughter, but before ruling out the SAT entirely, I would have her take practice tests for both to see which test she scores better on, and then study for that one.
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Hey Mom2boys, are they saying what the stats were then for ps kids? Did they literally get carte blanche the way the info session online implied, or were there limits there too?
I haven't heard any stats for public school kids. I did hear that private school seniors were funded and there was enough money left over to award 3 credit hours to each junior.
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For foxbridge academy - according to a post on the CHEO (Christian Home Educators of Ohio) facebook page, only 75% of seniors received CCP funding for the upcoming school year before they ran out of funds. So unless they allocate more funds for homeschoolers in upcoming years, it is unlikely that your child will have any classes paid for before 12th grade.
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You also have to fill out a form through the state to apply for funding (this is separate from the college forms). I have not done it, but I have a friend whose son is doing taking classes at a local university. He will be a junior and I believe he received funding for 2 classes.
I'm glad to know there was enough money to fund some classes for the juniors. Do you happen to know if your friend's son asked for funding for more than two classes?
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Well, now I can't find the link to the funding info. Some of the regulations were not finalized until very recently, that could be it. Still waiting on our funding letter, which, according to the website, should have been mailed Monday. It now looks like homeschoolers are responsible for paying for textbooks as well.
Carolyn
At the info session I attended, which was led by someone from the CCP program, the speaker said that homeschoolers would have to pay for their own books (which is a change from the old PSEO program). She also said that all of the seniors' classes would be paid for, then all of the juniors', and on down the line. The system you described of awarding one class to each senior, then one to each junior, etc is how it was done under the old PSEO system. But last I knew, they had only allocated $250,000 for homeschoolers, which I don't think will go very far. Last year that only covered one class per high school student, with enough left over to award a second class to a few seniors.
There is the option of enrolling in the local public high school and trying to participate in the CCP program that way. I don't know what hoops you would have to jump through, but you may have a better chance of getting classes funded that way. However, remedial classes still wouldn't be covered. The whole point of the program is to give advanced students who are ready for college level work the opportunity to earn college credit while still in high school.
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Do they administer the exams online? No AP testing schools in our neck of the woods. :/
AP exams are not offered online. You have to take them at a high school. But I know some on these forums have had to travel hours away to find a school where they could take the exam. Maybe your nearest city has schools that offer the exams?
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According to the College Credit Plus website, you can't take any remedial classes.
Once you are admitted to a college for College Credit Plus, you may take any course in the college’s course catalogue that is not remedial or religious, and that applies toward a degree or professional certificate, in a subject area in which you are college-ready.
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College Credit Plus is a brand new program in Ohio. No one has any experience with it yet, beyond enrollment. Approval comes from the institution where you want to enroll your child. If the college or university accepts your child, and they meet the age requirement of 7th grade or higher, then you shouldn't be turned down by CCP. However, I don't think they have adequate funding in place for homeschoolers. And since they said they will start with 12th graders and fund all of their classes first, and then work their way down, I doubt there will be much, if any, money left for 11th graders, let alone anyone younger. But we'll see what happens. So being accepted into CCP and actually having them pay for your classes are two different things.
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One warning against the knit sheets at Target. Oldest DD has had them for 2 years. Well, 3 semesters as she was studying abroad one of those. They have pilled terribly and the elastic is stretched out.
If you will only spend 2 years in the dorms, you will be probably be fine. She is going back for Jr year in the dorm and I will be replacing sheets.
These are the cheap knit (t-shirt type) XL twin at Target.
Well shoot, I just bought some of those. At least we haven't laundered them yet so I can return them. Thanks for the heads up!
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Can girls' moms chime in too? My daughter didn't do much, but she had a giant poster that covered her entire wall behind her bed. (It was actually more of a thin cloth, but as light as a poster.) It was of a woods. It just gave their whole room a warm feel. She also had a rolling cart from IKEA. We got it on a whim, but she used it for so many things! It had a top tray on it, with 2 or 3 shelves below. She stored things in it, and could use it for a nightstand too.
Oh -- here it is!
Where did you get the giant poster?
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The book is not necessary. It has the same content as the cds.
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Yep. After I discovered WTM I was happy my kids were 4 years apart. We could do the same 4-year history cycle, I wouldn't have two high schoolers at the same time, I'd get a break between college madness, etc. Then I started looking at financial aid and I realized it's going to affect us to not have two kids in college at the same time. Makes me want to give the oldest a couple of gap years.... :)
Me too!
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I am getting really scared! DD is in 10th this year, going into 11th next year, so I am just starting to read some of the college threads... This is so complicated! We are not going to qualify for any need based aid. We do "okay", but not enough to pay the kind of numbers I'm seeing around. DD is amenable to going the 2:2 route, and going to a state college. But one of the state colleges she likes only gives really good scholarships to freshmen, and if she does 2:2 she won't qualify for a lot of those.
So when it comes time, do we apply to some of these state colleges "just to see what happens"? She hasn't tested ACT /SAT yet, but if it correllates to school performance at all, I would guess she might be middle upper end. Not "outstanding" but probably "above average". Is that even worth trying to apply for? Do just "above average" ever get scholarships when you are not need based?
I'm so confused... :willy_nilly:
Yes they do! My ds is an above average student, who doesn't qualify for any need-based aid, and he was offered merit scholarships at all four state schools he applied to. He would have also received merit scholarships from the Christian colleges in our state. I don't know if he would have gotten anything from a private college. He didn't apply to any because we couldn't begin to afford it, and they usually don't offer his major.
If you look at the college's website, often state schools and Christian colleges will spell out scholarship monies offered based on test scores. That being said, it was our experience that college was going to cost us, after merit scholarships, between $15-$20,000 per year no matter if he went to a state school or a Christian college. One state school was $12,000 because ds's above average test scores made him a big fish at their school. But he isn't going to attend there because it was a poor academic match and weak in his major.
ETA: We specifically looked at schools where ds would qualify for their honors program, to off-set the under-matching that allowed him to qualify for merit aid. And we live in the Midwest and ds wanted to stay in the Midwest so he applied to three in-state schools and one out-of-state school. His merit scholarships were based solely on his GPA and test scores and not geographic or racial diversity.
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Ball State University
Presidential Scholarship
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Ohio University
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Please update Ohio University to add "Scholars program". Thank you!
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THANK YOU. I very much appreciate the feedback. Looks like we'll be going with AIM.
For what it is worth we also had a snarky email from the admin at Potters School a couple of years ago.
My ds just finished an English class at AIM Academy, taught by the executive director Debra Bell, and we had a very positive experience. I wouldn't hesitate to take classes with AIM again. And they offer French.
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Goodness, I doubt OP is making a decision based on a "random internet poll." Likewise, I'm quite sure her ds will decide for himself, but that doesn't mean that parents don't provide guidance, nor does it mean the parents, in turn, can't seek advice or input from other parents who may have had to help their child make the same decisions. It is wise for a student to consult his parents, they know more about life than he does. It is especially wise if they expect the parents to foot part of the bill. It is also wise for people to ask others for input because no one knows everything.
Yep. This exactly.
If they remain in doubt, tell them to flip a coin. Rather than looking at the coin, ask them whether they were hoping for heads or tails.
Ohhh, good idea!
I'd go school A. Anyone can have an abysmal semester GPA-wise for all sorts of reasons. (Yes, I learned this the hard way.) That semester should really just be a bad memory, and not the reason you had to change schools.
Been there, done that, and thankfully didn't have to change schools because of it.
*Edited to add: Look! I figured out how to multiquote!*
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Sorry if I sounded flip. I do think that getting a bunch of random opinions is not as good as thinking through this within the context of the family and a new visit to each school.
The people responding here do not know which schools A and B are, yet they are so sure one or the other is better for a student and family they may not even know in real life. Yes, parents should provide guidance. Parents can even consult with friends or experts who know their family and the schools in question. The OP did not post the names of the schools or the child's academic accomplishments, personality, intended major, or extracurricular interests. For the scholarship, we don't know whether the school has a reputation for grade inflation or tough grading. This leaves random strangers with very, very little to base an opinion on for college fit.
I did not mean to imply that the OP was simply going to tally the votes and send her son there. I do think that we should be humble and cautious about recommending either school in these circumstances. The article I linked had some good links for how to guide a student through making their own decision and I thought it might be helpful.
Again, apologies to OP if I came off as belittling your situation, and good luck to your son wherever he decides to study.
Never fear - my son will be making his own decision! :001_smile: While I value the experience and wisdom of many on this forum, I don't give "the Hive" the final say in any decision in our lives.
But thank you for sharing your concerns and the link to the article. I will pass it along to my ds.
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I'm with plansrme. It depends on the school size. If both schools are small, it would swing my decision in different directions.
Neither is small. They both have undergrad enrollments of around 17,000.
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I also would choose A. If it is a Big State U, he will find his tribe. The freedom to choose a lighter course load would be a significant factor for me, as would the pressure of not having to maintain a specific GPA to stay, especially if he is in a difficult major known for low GPAs (engineering, etc.). As for the dorm, will he really live on campus all four years? Plenty of students don't when the school doesn't require it.
As for the bigger picture, though, my philosophy of tough decisions is that when it is really that hard to make a decision, i.e., so hard that you agonize over it, there is no wrong choice. Also, keep in mind that the fact that, years from now, he may look back and wish he had chosen B over A or vice-versa in no way means that A or B was the wrong choice at the time. You make decisions with the information you have now, not with hindsight, and the information you have now looks like either school would be a solid choice. It is a nice problem to have!
He does have two great options. We've told him it is a good position to be in. But right now he wishes he could find a big flaw with one or the other so the choice would be obvious.
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I agree with other posters that the distance can make a difference, even if it seems reasonably close at first, but 3 hours is well within in our comfort range for a kid who wants to come home several times during the semester (mostly because her target schools all have two fall breaks with 4 day weekends, and we know we could make 2 more visits happen even if we go up there to get her).
What are the requirements for keeping the scholarship? A 3.5 leaves very little wiggle room; I'm more comfortable with a 3.3 requirement (and I've seen several 3.0 requirements).
Is there a probationary period or an appeals process?
If the scholarship conditions are stressful, I'd go for the other college.
If the scholarship conditions are more reasonable, I'd have him quit trying to reason it out at this point (bc it sounds like y'all have done that). Have him quit thinking about it and talking about it for at least a day, like walking away from a paper he's trying to revise. Then he can close his eyes and think about being at college - where does he see himself?
Yeah, that's my feel-good, new-agey advice for the day!
He only needs a 3.0 to renew the scholarship, which is probably quite do-able. However, I know from personal experience that lots of things can happen to effect GPA. I would hate to see him have to leave after getting established there.
I agree that taking a step back and not thinking about this for a week or so would be good for him. But the fact that he doesn't know where he is going to college this fall is stressing him out. And it doesn't help that people keep asking him if he has made a decision yet!
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From my experience I would choose college A. No matter how smart you child is there are so many factors that can affect their GPA and cause them to lose their scholarship that it becomes like the sword of Damocles hanging over their head. And to have to leave and transfer to another is a huge upheaval.
I know you said that the out of state school is only 3 hours away, but distance makes a big difference!! Both my girls were excited about going to school "far away" and both now wish they were a bit closer. Their school is 2 1/2 hours from me which means I can do it in a day, or they can take a bus, but it is a process. They both now wish they were closer to an hour away so if they wanted to pop home for a weekend they could. They envy their friends that can go home and easily be back early Sunday for studying. 3 hours seems doable now but it will take on a whole new meaning when you do it over and over and over again.
If school B's academics are not as strong your child may end up bored. That is what happened to my youngest. She went with the "out-of-state not as strong academically but had a great scholarship school" and hated it. Nothing demotivates a student more than basic classes where they don't feel like they are being challenged. Plus the overall academic abilities of the students around them are lower and that can be hard
The transfer process is very painful. Do not discount that and think "well if he loses his scholarship he can transfer." It is hard to start at college and get settled in and meet people only to leave them and start at a new school behind everyone. I can't even imagine what it is like transferring after freshman year. Plus my DD had to explain over and over to everyone why she was transferring which to her was like explaining her big failure over and over. Transferring her credits and her financial aid was a red tape nightmare.
Thank you for sharing your dds' experiences. Your perspective is really helpful! I do worry about the pressure of having to keep a scholarship to remain at the school. And I do think there is a good chance my ds won't feel academically challenged at school B outside of his honors classes.
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Ds has narrowed his college choices down to two universities, but he can't seem to make a final decision. Both schools have their pluses and minuses. One school seems to be a better academic fit and the other seems to be a better social fit. Both schools have offered him renewable scholarships and there is a very small difference in cost between the two, but only because the out-of-state school has offered a much larger scholarship. If for some reason ds didn't have a high enough GPA to renew his scholarship, we wouldn't be able to afford to send him back to the out-of-state school. So here is my question:
Based on your personal experiences with your own dear children would you recommend school A - the better academic fit, in-state school, where he could afford to stay if he did lose his scholarship, but may have a hard time finding his "tribe", would live in an older dorm, and would have more freedom in courses he takes due to AP credits meeting gen ed requirements or school B - the better social fit, out-of-state school, where he would have to leave if he lost his renewable scholarship, and the academics overall aren't quite as strong, but he would live in a newly renovated dorm, would be in the honors program, but would have less freedom in the courses he takes due to honors required classes?
(Geography, BTW, is not a factor. The out-of-state school is still only three hours from our home, so both schools are a fairly short car ride away.)
We just don't know how much importance to give to each of these factors, so it is hard for ds to make a final decision. Two weeks ago we revisited both schools and ds sat in on classes, etc, to aid in the decision making process. The result was that he is now more conflicted than ever. We would so appreciate advice from those of you who have walked this road ahead of us.
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PM my your email address, and I will send it. :)
Could I have a copy too?
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I think they had to do it that way because there are limited seats for each workshop (100 seats for the paid sessions, 300 for the free sessions) so that requires registration for each individual workshop.
Are there really only 100 seats in the paid sessions? I better decide quickly then. One definite for me is "This Isn't as Easy as I Thought".
High School without taking AP, CLEP or Duel Enrollment
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Having AP classes on his transcript helped my son earn academic scholarships. And with his AP and dual enrollment credits, he is able to graduate college a semester early. So taking AP and dual enrollment classes saved us money in the long run.