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  1. 7 minutes ago, Lori D. said:

    Actually, I felt like what we sort of raised new/different issues for you rather than directly answer your original issue...  😬 😂😉



    Well, while I was asking you this question, I was working through some other "understanding" that related to this, specifically regarding reading with comprehension and writing effectively...and today, after much study, it all fell into place in my mind. But you all were very helpful in this process. Thank you for flushing out my ideas and understanding for me.  🥰

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  2. 19 minutes ago, Farrar said:

    Yes, I'm with Lori on this. YA books in general helped spur discussions for my kids that reading something like A Christmas Carol or Rime of the Ancient Mariner simply did not. Which is not to say that you can't have a meaty discussion from an older book. Or that older books don't have their own importance. Reading something like those older works is important for developing one's ability to read difficult texts and appreciate them. But literature serves a variety of purposes and those books don't typically meet all the needs I see that kids have.

    But this is individual. I said nothing is a must... I really believe in reading YA... but it's also not a must.

    There is a ton of amazing early American themed YA. Rather than Fever or Sophia's War, I strongly recommend Laurie Halse Anderson's Seeds of America series, which is excellent. Especially since you're in Canada, I'll also suggest Elijah of Buxton since it's set most there.


    Thank you this is very helpful. I really appreciate you sharing with me all of this. It has shown me how to have balance in our literature selections for each level. 

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  3. 44 minutes ago, Lori D. said:

    Similar to Farrar -- while we did do a lot of Lit. to match up with our History or Geography studies through the years, I never *exclusively* did that, as we would have missed SOOOO many age-appropriate books just because they "didn't match the History window". Middle school is such a fantastic time to start having discussions -- I was so glad we did a lot of YA books in grades 6-9 (along with good books that happened to match up with our History), and then on in to high school, as it really kept alive DSs' interest in books and literature, and we had some fantastic discussions and really wrestled through some tough topics together. 🙂

    Thank you Farrar and Lori for your input. Very helpful.


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  4. 9 minutes ago, Lori D. said:

    Wow, you're right -- that's a boatload of reading!

    First, I would look hard at the specific student before me to determine what was appropriate for amount of reading and types of books -- last thing you want to do just as the student is on the cusp of being able to/interested in thinking and discussing is to kill any interest in reading. So:
    - What is the student's reading level?
    - Is the student strong/faster, or average, or weak/slower with reading?
    - And most importantly, what is the student's *interest* in reading -- likes to read, or not? Likes to read works connected to the History study, or prefers other genres?

    Without knowing more about your student, my initial thoughts would be:

    1. first, make Shakespeare and poetry more informal 1x/week:
    - *watch* rather than *read* a few Shakespeare plays this year (go to some live performances after a day or two of prep!)
    - make poetry reading more informal ("Poetry and Tea time", and do it once a week, or every other week, in place of the regular literature)
    - or if really pressed for time:  1 day/week, in alternate units, learn about then watch then discuss a Shakespeare play, and after several weeks, switch to a few weeks of poetry
    - and then the other 4 days/week read through your other literature choices

    2. then, go with your 1 Canadian work, + 3 classic works from the WTM list; alternate those 4 books with 4 works of DS of high interest to him -- YA works, historical fiction to go with your history, exploring a genre he is really interested in... etc. That's 1 book a month for the school year, with time once a week to cover poetry and Shakespeare -- and not get overwhelmed with too much Literature.

    I don't currently have a the WTM on my shelf, but am looking at the list for early modern (is that what you'd be doing for 7th grade?) from SWB's handouts here. From that list, I'd say the following is do-able by (and of age-level INTEREST for) an average 7th grade reader:

    The Reading List
    - use the poets/poems in her list as what you choose from for your weekly poetry & tea time
    - pick a handful of famous fairy tales (SWB lists 3 different collections; choose a few stories from each author for a range of story types)
    - since you are Canadian, I wouldn't worry about Ben Franklin or Frederick Douglass -- also, those are better tackled in high school, IMO
    - classics well-suited for middle school (reading level AND interest level):
         Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
         The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, Mark Twain
         A Christmas Carol, Charles Dickens
    - optional -- do or don't do, depending on student interest/ability:
    “A Voyage to Lilliput” Gulliver’s Travels, Jonathan Swift
         The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Rip Van Winkle, Washington Irving
         20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Jules Verne

    SUPPLEMENTAL READINGS -- Historical novels and biographies to find at your library
    - all are American History based, so you could skip them and focus on Canadian historical fiction of the time period
    - also a lot of these listed are a bit young for 7th grade, or are more of "girl interest" than "boy interest"
    - also, there is not a lot of diversity in SWB's historical fiction supplements, so maybe try some alternatives??

    some other historical fiction ideas:
    Fever 1793 (Anderson)
    Chains (Anderson) -- first of a trilogy
    Arrow Over the Door (Bruchac) -- may be young for DS
    Sophie's War (Avi) -- may be young for DS
    Carry On Mr. Bowditch (Latham)


    This was really really helpful! Thank you!!! I needed this guidance. 



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  5. 7 minutes ago, Lori D. said:

    2. then, go with your 1 Canadian work, + 3 classic works from the WTM list; alternate those 4 books with 4 works of DS of high interest to him -- YA works, historical fiction to go with your history, exploring a genre he is really interested in... etc. That's 1 book a month for the school year, with time once a week to cover poetry and Shakespeare -- and not get overwhelmed with too much Literature.



    Clarification needed. What is 'YA' mean? 


  6. 5 minutes ago, Farrar said:

    Repeat after me... No literature is an absolute must.

    I swear it's true. And I believe in having kids read "important" books and be exposed to "classics." But you cannot cover every book someone thinks is important. Just accept that you will skip something that someone else thinks was on the top of the list. And that's okay! It's more about the totality of what you did than any particular book. You look at the list (or a bunch of lists), you say, okay, we're going to try to do the things that will work for us. You say, I'm going to try to cover a variety of places, times, genres, sorts of authors... and then you let it be the best it can be and let it go. They may or may not pick those up later. They may or may not come to you in college or in their 30's to say, Why oh why did you make me read that?! Or to say, Why oh why didn't you make me read that?! Because you cannot read it all. Let yourself be okay with that.


    "No literature is an absolute must." There I repeated it after you. Yes, I will keep repeating this to get it into my head. Thank you. 🙂 

    I guess I just find choosing books based on my preference could lend to a lack of covering the variety that is needed. That is why I didn't want to use my own preferences. I want to have discussions about the 'challenging topics' with my children, not avoid them, which could happen if I went with what I liked. lol  But your suggestions above were helpful. 


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  7. 6 minutes ago, Farrar said:

    I'd say right off the bat, bu-bye Pilgrim's Progress. Is that still on the lists? My TWTM is old.

    A lot of the list is poems. I don't think it's not doable. I would say ditch anything you're not excited about. Ask here and elsewhere what's not to be missed (which I think will get you more responses than what do I choose or what do I cut). I think Home Again's idea to rank them is good. Also, I'd say if you rank them and then realize everything that made your cut is of a certain sort of book or author, then see what you can do to mix it up. You don't want to have all adventure stories by white male authors. You want some memoirs, some mysteries, some other genres, etc. You want some female authors, some non-white authors, etc. Same thing with time period. If you realize all your books are from the 1800's, then maybe you need to swap one for something earlier.


    This is a bit more of what I need. I have done some of this already. I do have a variety of books from different time frames of our historical period, and I have varied the authors. I will look at the certain sort of book to see if I have anything repeated. That will help.  


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  8. Yes, that is good, BUT how do I know which literature books should be absolutely covered and which are best to lay aside for my children to pick up on their own alter on? Making decisions based on my limited knowledge and understanding of literature is not a good guide. I wish there was a website or someone that would explain this for me: What literature is an absolute must and what is not, and why? And how can a person cut their literature lists down effectively without losing the essence of why they are learning literature in the first place. 


  9. For our current year, we are in the history cycle of 1500 to 1850 AD. For my logic level student, we have planned to read 4 literatures per term (there are 3 terms) (and we are going to read most, not all, of TWTM logic literature list for grade 7) along with Canadian Literature (1 book), Shakespeare and Poetry. I am finding it is still too much for us to cover. How do I know what books to read and which can be cut? I would like to get my list down to about about 2 literatures, Shakespeare and Poetry, therefore I would like to know what book I could cut from our list of TWTM logic literature list for grade 7. And then I would like to know how to go about doing this for the future in any other grade? I would really love to hear from those who are strong in literature and can give me real practical principles to follow. Thank you! 

  10. I just want to say to lewelma and all others who have added to this topic a BIG THANK YOU! This is something I have been thinking about and working through for myself and my children.What I have learned from my own personal experience is that these things come easily (as in they pick them up or clue into them easily)for soem people. Also, generally, depending on who you are, it is easier to figure out these EF in some subjects versus others. For instance, I am great at figuring out how to learn math with mastery and got a 98% grade in high school with ease, but ask me to do that in English or History and I struggled because I just did not know what to do, and as one person mentioned above, only a few teachers in schools teach these EF in their class. I find most don't and expect people to figure them out themselves.

    I am learning that the first step is to learn oneself or your children to know what kind of person they are. Secondly, I have learned that no matter the type of person they are, we all need to learn these skills (or as I see them, these frameworks) that are so important to know and use in one's life to make them successful. These frameworks are how we make sense of things and live effectively  ~  how to read, think, and express ourselves (basically knowledge, understanding and wisdom is another way of expressing it). Lastly, knowing who we are and that we need to learn these skills, as lewelma shares, we need to figure out how to teach these things so that it clicks in each persons mind.  And motivation and maturity has a huge amount of influence in this. 

    Thank you so much for making this thread. I am going to read through and really digest this one. And I will definitely refer people to this thread for further help in this area. 

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  11. Hello everyone,


    I am interested in finding books for my children that share how to read the weather and nature to know what is coming up in terms of weather and danger, good crop etc... (ex: the sky is dark for 3 nights in a row, therefore, it means that coming... or the animals are running quickly away from this direction therefore this means....). 


    Also, I would like to start teaching my children survival skills and how to take care of themselve without the need for government assistance. This could range from homesteading to how to run a business etc. 


    Any suggestions?

  12. I do think that you could use Wile's curriculum and be well-prepared for 7th grade science, but have only used it for my younger child so don't have BTDT experience at the upper level. 


    Have you looked at Elemental Science for Logic Stage earth & astronomy?  It's recommended in the 4th edition, with the other formal curriculum alternative being Great Science Adventures paper models & books: Discovering Earth's Landforms and Surface Features, Discovering the Ocean, and The World of Space. 


    Thank you for responding Serendipitous Journey! I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. 


    I have looked at that curriculum, but not indepth. I will look at the other recommendation too. 


    I thought that Wile's curriculum would be good, but each book covers all the various topics of the 4 year science cycle as outlined in TWTM, and I did not want to cover Chemistry or Physics until grade 7 and 8. I am looking to have more in depth learning/ experiment learning in grade 5-6 like I have with the NOEO courses. 

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  13. Hello. I am excited to find this group. I follow CM but use resources/ideas from TWTM. I am wanting to do a CM type science program based on TWTM logic level science plan. I have some living books for science of human body, plants, animals, earth science and astronomy (grades 5-6), but I am not sure if it covers all the various topics within each of these larger subjects completely. I need to ensure my children know these subjects accurately as they eventually go to public high school. 


    How do you do your CM science for grades 5 and 6 using TWTM science plan?


  14. Hello. I am trying to plan my logic science plan for grades 5 and 6. We are a Charlotte Mason/Classical Type homeschoolers. I am following TWTM plan for science. With my older children this is what I used for them based on the 2nd edition TWTM:


    Grade 5 - Human Body/ Animals

    • How the Body Works
    • How Nature Works

    Grade 6 - Astronomy/Earth Science

    • How The Universe Works
    • How the Earth Works


    I found these books okay but the real difficulty was the experiments. I use NOEO Level 3 Chemistry and Physics for Grades 7 and 8.  What I need help with is what other science curriculums can I use to replace Grade 5 and 6. I would like a complete curriculum like the NOEO ones (if I can find one) that have the books and experiments and plan all wrapped up into one. I am thinking about the NOEO LEVEL 2 Biology curriculum (  which would be good, but then I don't know what to do for Grade 6 astronomy and earth science. What would you suggest? I don't have TWTM 4th edition so I don't know what Susan Bauer suggests. :( Perhaps I have to get the 4th edition. 


    For grades 1-4, I am using Dr. Wile's elementary science curriculum (5 books) here:


    I know a person can use his curriculum for grades 1-6 and then go into his Apologia Science curriculum, but we are not doing that. Could I still use his elementary science curriculum until grade 6 nevertheless and just continue with NOEO course in grade 7 and 8? Would this curriculum cover grades 5 and 6 topics enough?


    Or do you have a better idea?


  15. I just want to say thankyou to the people (in particular: Alte Veste Academy, Michelle My Bel, Kfamily, Serendipitous journey, VeritasMama, Michelle My Bell, kristinannie, Tohru twoxcell) who shared their views on why they follow the philosophies of TWTM &/or CM. Your posts have really helped me to clearly define and articulate what my philosophy is which has always been Christian and classical since I first began home educating my children. Within that, I finally feel free to 'thoughtfully interweave" TWTM with CM, rather than having to chose one over the other. And most importantly, in place of a long standing crises, I have a strengthened confidence and quietness of spirit to continue building upon the foundation of my educational philosophy I started out with years ago. Thankyou.

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