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15 hours ago, daijobu said:
Know that everything is reversible...even when it looks like it isn't.
For example, whenever you upload something, it'll ask you: "Are you sure you want to upload this?" (or similar). It makes it all seem very final. But it isn't. As soon as you upload something, you can delete it and upload something else. (This is all before you hit the final submit button at the very end of the process, but that's a multi-step process in and of itself, and impossible to do accidentally.) So fill in forms and upload sample documents and see how it looks. You can also print out the application anytime and see how it looks to the admissions people.
We did this last year, and I haven't seen the new version. But our menu was along the left side of the screen. That guides you to all the sections that need to be completed, and I believe there was something like a check mark to indicate it was fully complete. On the right side of the screen are suggested links to help screens. Common App also has a youtube channel, so you may want to scan those videos for what might be helpful. (I watched a lot of those before beginning the process.) Their online help is staffed by human beings and they are quite responsive. I usually received a response withing a few hours.
Yes on the reversible thing. I recently discovered that even after you have submitted the CA, you can make changes. The colleges you have submitted it to will get the original version, but the ones you submit to after the changes will get the updated version. I’m thinking that could be used strategically if you wanted to highlight certain scores or activities for one college but need to report all scores for another and/or want to use different activities. That’s not something I’m going to mess with, but it’s nice to know that we can add things for colleges that we will wait until later in the year to apply to.
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One thing that I wished I had done the first time I used the CA was print out a preview after I had typed in some of the basic info. That would have helped me to better understand everything that was included and how it would be presented.
Without doing that, it kind of felt like a never ending path of questions. Once I printed it and saw the end format, it seemed very simple and basic.
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17 hours ago, JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst said:
I highly recommend course descriptions. Validating exams aside, you might be shocked at what homeschoolers routinely submit (or fail to submit) as part of the application process. We had more than one admissions office thank us for the detailed course descriptions we provided. It gave them a basis for judging our student's work and defending why they were good candidates for admissions and scholarships. To be brutal, I think the view of an admissions office is that they often have more great applicants than they can accept. If you give them a reason not to choose your student then they will take it, that could include lack of documentation or evidence of challenging work. Therefore, I would give them every reason to say yes. I also recommend including course descriptions over stating they are available on request. Admissions officers are very busy and don't want to have to find time to contact you to ask for more paperwork. Do homeschooled kids get into college with out all this paperwork, yes. Does it potentially give a kid a boost or level the playing field when they are in a competitive environment such as selective schools or scholarships? I am a firm believer that it does.
I do agree with this and it is the reason that ultimately made me go forward with writing documentation that isn’t likely to truly be read. A quick glance at how thorough my paperwork is and the effort that it took, speaks volumes about the care and dedication I put into educating my student.
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12 hours ago, crazyforlatin said:
Thanks Susan and mom0012. I forgot to check my email yesterday and thought maybe no one had suggestions. This is a great list! I've already printed out 70 pages.
If anyone happens to know this, is symbolic logic similar to classical logic that the online homeschool courses teach (and which we never had the chance to take)?
You are welcome!
I don’t think the symbolic logic is similar to classical logic. The logic classes my kids took at a classical coop were more focused on argumentation flaws/fallacies.
Symbolic logic in college is one of three classes I remember having to work really hard on to figure out in college! I couldn’t follow it at first, but I kept working on it and then had a sudden understanding and it was easy after that.
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I have spent many hours working on my dd’s course descriptions, always wondering if anyone is actually going to read this document. (I suspect few, if any, will, tbh.) But, I hear that, yes, they may. So I am trying to make them as accurate as possible, which has been extremely time-consuming since I tend to have perfectionistic tendencies when it comes to projects like this.
I did them for my ds two years ago. He applied to colleges that had no less than 50% acceptance rates and I highly, highly doubt even one person read them other than myself. Because, why would they? But, of course, I don’t know that for a fact.
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On 8/30/2019 at 11:01 PM, Bootsie said:
I would be very interested in knowing what your daughter (or anyone else) thinks would be a fair and uniform policy.
I have been teaching at the collegiate level for over 30 years, and IME the problem has become more difficult to manage in recent years. Very little of the issues I experience come from athletics, although some sports require students to miss class more than others (e.g. baseball players miss many classes during the spring semester)
I was teaching a compressed summer course that meet five times this summer. Before the class had started I had heard from at least half of the class that they planned to miss at least one of the class meetings. The reasons ranged from going to their destination wedding (and missing 3 classes) to having surgery to traveling for work to family vacation to job interviews to a project for another class... About a third of the class was planning on missing at least 2 classes--40% of the class meetings.
Even doctor's excuses have become problematic. I had a student go to the emergency room before the first exam in a class and was discharged without any treatment; second exam comes along, the student goes to the emergency room again. With scanners and copy machines it is easy for students to produce fake/recycled doctors' excuses.
I think the solution is to return college classes to the way they were when I was in college and make the student responsible for their learning and the professor responsible for teaching, rather than attendance, So, as long as students show up for exams, who cares if they miss the class as long as they arrange to get notes from another student. That’s how it worked “back in the day”. There was no “class participation” grade. And if a student failed, it was on them, not the professor.
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On 8/29/2019 at 3:55 PM, JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst said:
Third, there are several military programs around the country who offer their students the ability to go through a ROTC program as a leadership program student rather than as a future military officer. They may live and study in a military environment, participate in military style exercises/activities, take leadership courses and have the opportunity to be part of their organizations student leadership, but there is no expectation that they will serve in the military upon graduation.
Are you able to share more information about this type of program and where it is held?
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On 8/28/2019 at 7:33 PM, Margaret in CO said:
My AROTC kid could have any major. My AFROTC kids were constrained on majors.
Something else to consider--being hurt IN ROTC. I currently have two kids who can't/could not Commission. One had to leave AROTC 3.5 years in. She's still looking at another surgery, but so far, is just trying to tough it out as the surgery is horrendous and the first 3 didn't really help. My last also had a National scholarship and cannot Commission. She's looking at another surgery, probably at Christmas--she shattered her leg on the Marine assault course in a blizzard. Norwich has been very generous, and she's continuing her military minor, but she no longer has the full ride that she DID have. It's possible that the next surgery to take out the 6" of titanium in her leg will be successful, but it's also possible that the surgery will mess up the major nerve in her leg. If it IS successful, she may be able to go OCS after graduation, but she won't Commission with her class of 2021. If she was not our last kid, we would not be able to pay what we're paying at NU. NU is covering tuition, but she's paying books with her summer money, and we're doing R&B, basically.
My other AFROTC still owes another 3 years--if he'll stay in past that, remains to be seen. He worked all the way through school as ROTC doesn't cover R&B, and he lived in his car for a time. The stipend doesn't cover much the first 2 years. Another glitch in the system for AFROTC--you won't get the money until WELL into the first semester. You need to be able to cover tuition, R&B, fees, and books for several months. They were quite upfront about that! AFROTC paid WAY later than AROTC every single semester. And not every candidate gets a National scholarship. Most kids get ones 2 or so years in from the institution. Most kids in my kids' squadrons/platoons/companies didn't have scholarship monies for several years.
There is talk of extending Academy commitments beyond 5 years active/2 Reserve (aviation is waaaaay longer than that!). It will happen. And when it does, ROTC commitments are going to extend as well. And don't listen to the recruiter who tells your kid: enlist and we'll guarantee an Appointment to the academy! We have a mom here who is living in that lala land right now. She explained to me that HER enlisted dd will catch up to a friend at the Naval Academy. Nope, not going to happen. Even if your kid DOES get an Appointment (and she's being told she doesn't have to have a Nomination) she'll still have to go to Prep School for a year. She doesn't have the math. But, this kid isn't Academy material. She'll make a great enlisted Marine, but she's not going to become an officer. The recruiters can say anything they want to...
ROTC is not just a cheap way to do college (and doesn't cover a lot of stuff). It is a commitment to SERVE. If the kid isn't prepared to put her life on the line, she should go another route.
Sorry to hear about how two of your kids have been hurt in ROTC. That is not something I would have expected to be a big risk, so that is very good information to have. Wow.
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My dd is taking a discrete math class and the instructor assigned 4 texts, 3 of which are free online. The only one we had to buy was the Schaum’s Outlines and that does have hundreds of solved problems in it. The second text he lists is a workbook, though, so maybe there is something in there that will be helpful?
Textbook and Materials
There are four textbooks required for this course. The first three are free OER books which can be downloaded. The fourth can be purchased in either electronic or hard copy for around $20. There is much overlap between textbooks, but each has gaps which are filled by others.
- The Doerr textbook contains all the required topics, but some of its explanations are not ideal and the exercise sets are limited.
- The Kwong textbook does not contain all the required topics, but it gives a clear overview of discrete mathematics and contains clear motivations for proofs.
- The Levin textbook does not contain all the required topics, but it gives clear explanations of several proof techniques and motivates the topics that it does contain.
- The Lipschutz textbook contains all required topics, with concise and clear definitions and theorems, many solved problems, and many supplementary problems with answers. It does not emphasize proofs and the theoretical discussions are brief.
In each unit, you will be pointed to the relevant sections, if needed, for each text. The links and bibliographic information for each text are listed below.
Doerr, Alan and Levasseur, Kenneth
Applied Discrete Structures
Department of Mathematical Sciences University of Massachusetts Lowell Version 3.3
Edition: 3rd Edition - version 4
Website:faculty.uml.edu/klevasseur/ADS2
© 2017 Al Doerr, Ken Levasseur
Applied Discrete Structures by Alan Doerr and Kenneth Levasseur is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States License. You are free to Share: copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format; Adapt: remix, transform, and build upon the material. You may not use the material for commercial purposes. The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.
To download the free PDF version of the textbook, go to the following web page:
http://faculty.uml.edu/klevasseur/ads2/
Kwong, Harris
A Spiral Workbook for Discrete Mathematics
© 2015 Harris Kwong ISBN: 978-1-942341-16-1
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
You are free to: Share-copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format Adapt-remix, transform, and build upon the material
Here is the link to MERLOT to download the PDF version
https://www.merlot.org/merlot/viewMaterial.htm?id=1083133&hitlist=keywords%3DDiscrete%2520Mathematics%2520textbook&fromUnified=true
Levin, Oscar
Discrete Mathematics: An Open Introduction
© 2013-2016 by Oscar Levin
This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License. To view a copy of this license, visit http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/.
Fall 2015 Edition
ISBN-10: 1516921186 ISBN-13: 978-1516921188
Here is the link to MERLOT to download the PDF version
https://www.merlot.org/merlot/viewMaterial.htm?id=1209141&hitlist=keywords%3DDiscrete%2520Mathematics%2520textbook&fromUnified=true
Lipschutz, Seymour
Schaum's Outline of Discrete Mathematics, Revised Third Edition, 3rd Edition. McGraw-Hill- 4
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Thanks for all the great information and for sharing your children’s experiences. If my dd went this route, it would not be for the scholarship money. Honestly, her real passion is for volunteering as a first responder. When she joined in with the fire division for their physical training, it just really struck me how much she enjoyed that type of thing. She always has. She had briefly considered attending VMI in her father’s footsteps, but ruled that out. I am going to have her take a look at the program JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst mentioned. That is something I could really see her enjoying.
On 8/29/2019 at 3:55 PM, JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst said:Third, there are several military programs around the country who offer their students the ability to go through a ROTC program as a leadership program student rather than as a future military officer. They may live and study in a military environment, participate in military style exercises/activities, take leadership courses and have the opportunity to be part of their organizations student leadership, but there is no expectation that they will serve in the military upon graduation.
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Now my next question is — when should I send official scores? My dd will be submitting the bulk of her applications at the end of the week. Should I wait until they are submitted to send the scores or does it not matter?
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Thank you. I will check out the Compass Prep site. I thought (hoped) maybe they had all moved to self-reporting. There are a few that state outright that self reporting is fine until you are admitted, but there are a number of schools where I don’t see any comments about what they want.
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Maybe I’m missing it but I am not seeing anywhere on the common app where it is indicated which schools require official scores prior to admission. I am getting the impression that most schools allow self reporting at this point but I am not finding that information in one easy location. Also I know there can sometimes be special requirements for homeschoolers.
Have you found that most schools do allow self reporting on the common app. How did you find out which schools want an official score? Will they let me know the application is not complete if they require an official score and I do not send one?
I have been looking at individual college websites but not all of them address this issue.
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33 minutes ago, Bristayl said:
It's not really being dropped--just changed. There will now be two scores on a scale of 1-100, one for the neighborhood and one for the high school, and the scores will be visible to the student.
https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/landscape/comprehensive-data-methodology-overview.pdf
Oh, not what I thought, but I guess not surprising. I feel a bit better about this from the standpoint that the student can see their score and address any outlier issues and from the standpoint that they are being more transparent about how the score is calculated. And the dropping of the term “adversity score”. In my mind, this is info colleges already had, but transparency and dropping that label makes it less politicized.
The jaded part of me wonders if they publicized their plan of labeling students with an anonymous adversity score calculated by secret means just to get us to more easily accept the idea of Landscape, lol.
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I am glad to see this. They must have gotten a ton of backlash.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/college-board-abandons-plan-sat-adversity-scores/
“The College Board has abandoned its plan to augment students’ SAT scores with an adversity score, a metric designed to control for privilege in the admissions process, after enduring months of criticism from educators and parents.”
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46 minutes ago, Sebastian (a lady) said:
This may come across as blunter than I intend.
Our family has both extensive military service and a lot of fire service.
Anyone joining the military should go in prepared for the possibility of wartime service, combat (both within the specialty of that service and in less traditional roles via cross-service assignments - many members of the Navy served in Iraq and Afghanistan on months or year long special assignments).
The tasks the military is asked to perform are complex, sometimes outside what would be categorized as safe, and are performed in all seasons and weather. Injuries and death can happen as a result of training. The training is designed to make service members and units able to perform safely, but the risks can never be completely removed.
I'm happy to answer questions about Navy ROTC or the Naval Academy.
Yes, thank you for pointing out the seriousness of the commitment and the risks involved.
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3 hours ago, elroisees said:
Well, I sort of hate to tell you how things were because it's been *cough* 18 years and my data may be old. 🙂
When I went to college, you applied to the ROTC program and also registered for the appropriate class and lab. You attended military science classes and lab two days a week, and PT (exercise) two very early mornings.
You had to commit to military service before your junior year, and attend a training camp that summer. Also, you might commit sooner if you took a significant scholarship. The commitment was 4 years of active service and 4 years of inactive reserve. Pilots had a longer service commitment because of training but that was decided later if you were so lucky as to qualify and be selected.
There were better scholarship options for certain majors, but you could take almost any major.
There were physical, ethical and academic requirements. If you committed to serve, you took the oath of enlistment, and if you failed to deserve a commission you might be required to serve as enlisted, with exceptions for medical reasons. I never saw that happen, but I did see people ejected from the program for lying or cheating. One gal lied on her run time during our freshman year and was gone within an hour.
You requested the career fields you thought you would enjoy, and the military computer told you your destiny during your senior year, using your major, your class ranking, your wishes and the needs of the service at that time. Most of us got what we wanted; we had an excellent cadre that worked hard for us. Commissioning occured the same morning as graduation, and then you'd report to your duty station two weeks later.
We worked our tails off. I highly recommend it. 😁 Because the process is so selective, if your daughter were to contact the units where she's considering attending, it would not be like contacting an enlisted recruiter. The enlisted recruiter has a quota to fill. The ROTC recruiter - not so much. She could ask questions and get reliable information.
Well, not much has changed it seems since you were in the program, because you pretty much summarized the structure of the current program based on what I read in the link you sent me. It sounds pretty great and I’m sure my dd would love it. It would totally suit her personality.
And I see they have Japanese on the list of highly desired majors. My dd loves Latin and is proficient in Spanish but has been dying to take Japanese for a couple of years and is getting ready to start that language class tomorrow. I will pass on all the info and the links to her. Lots of food for thought. Thank you!
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6 hours ago, elroisees said:
I went through college Air Force ROTC as a homeschool grad. It's entirely possible. I didn't need to commit to military service until the summer before my junior year. That varies based on scholarships. Here's a link to get your research started: http://afrotc.unt.edu/
I'm thankful that my parents supported my efforts. One of my classmates did not have a supportive family, and it was incredibly hard for him to succeed. He's a powerful, effective military officer today.
The Air Force paid for my last two years of college so that I graduated without debt. I'm glad I served; it was worth what I invested in it. I left the military before I had kids.
Thank you. So, it looks like you can participate in ROTC for two years without making a service commitment as long as you don’t accept scholarship money? I would support my dd in whatever she chooses to do, but I would want to make sure she fully understands the commitment and I’d want her to take that first two years to get a better understanding of what she would be committing to.
Are there particular majors that are required? Right now my dd is planning to major in the classics with an eye toward medical/physician assistant school or speech and language pathology.
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I’m going to research this thoroughly, but if anyone has any info to share about how ROTC programs work, I’d love to hear it. My dd thrives on physical activity and would enjoy military type drills and physical training exercises. She recently had the opportunity to participate in physical training with the firemen/women in our town and this really brought this *weird* love for those type of activities home to us.
My initial thoughts about ROTC are all negative because I don’t want her in combat or even having to serve in a safe capacity shortly after having a child. So, what are the actual commitments — both while at college and afterwards?
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23 hours ago, FriedClams said:
1. Deep breath. It'll be ok! Really.
2. I'd contact the academies and see if there's a rep near you that you could meet with. This can help a ton with the process and connection for a recommendation. I'd have your student take the initiative on connecting and setting up a meeting. Go beyond the fairs. Grads (I'm one) and reps love to talk about their academies and love initiative. Recruiting helps but she still has to get in.
3. Overall, I'd recommend emphasizing your student's uniqueness. The competitive colleges see A TON of similar, highly qualified candidates. What makes your student special IS the weirdness of your journey. Celebrate it. She's smart, capable, and has walked an interesting path - communicate that. She needs to also. You have opportunities with the educational statement and she can do it in her essays. It's the time to share your journey.
4. If she's a junior - seek out the academy summer programs. Highly recommended.
Hope that helps! Really, don't underestimate her LIFE. It's far too interesting to stick in the standard box and that's A GREAT thing for selective colleges. Hang in there!!
Yes! I started freaking out a couple of months ago because I was talking to a mom whose son got into 3 Ivy League schools and some of the things she wanted my dd to do this summer would have really created a lot of stress and hardship. Then, I realized most of the things she was suggesting were standard things that are all part of the normal profile for kids that attend pricey private schools and would not make my dd stand out in any way and might actually hurt her, IMO. For example, she wanted her to travel overseas this summer. It was incredibly nice of her to try to help me and I had a lot of fun talking with her, but I really think some of her suggestions were dead wrong for my dd.
The other thing that has helped me through this process is finding a couple of academic and financial safeties that my dd feels good about, So, she can reach for the stars, but if those *dream* schools don’t work out for us either because she doesn’t get accepted or she doesn’t get enough financial aid, we have other nice options for her that we know will work.
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On 8/24/2019 at 8:24 PM, LisaK in VA said:
Honestly, this would be a HUGE hardship for us to manage. I guess I'm at a loss as to how a school could place financial hardship requirements/suggestions onto students. Testing can even be a financial hardship for many, but at least I can swallow that. We don't get free dual enrollment here, and $480-640 per class at the community college(!), not including required fees and books, let alone transportation arrangements is a LOT more of a hardship than a $75 exam.
German isn't an option at any of the CCs. And since she would be taking 200 level math courses in high school, in the area of her major, there is a high likelihood she will have to repeat them and pay for them again (exception would be Liberty and VA Wesleyan). Having to take classes at VA Wesleyan is at least more affordable, and the course recognition a bit higher since it's a 4-year university. But, I'm at a loss as to how she would get there and back with her training schedule, a long commute, and the limited course offerings (she also doesn't have a license, and even if she did, would not have a car... we're getting cars as we can... but right now we're lucky to have two. )
She's already completed both AP Physics C courses, Chem, Bio, AP Bio, Honors Physics, Integrated Physics & Chem, and even Marine Biology -- she has zero desire to take any more science and I don't feel she should have to. Part of the reason she took AP Physics C and studied for the AP exams her junior year was to not need a science her senior year. She's really completed most of the German she cares to do online or otherwise right now, too -- so she's really just doing an MIT intermediate German course and prepping for the SAT2 -- we both feel that trying to prep for AP German would just be too much this year. She needs a bit of time to enjoy some non-rigorous electives. If I can scrounge together enough money, I will pay for a tutor to help her improve her spoken/listening skills and do specific preparation for the SAT2.
I'd like for WM & Mary to remain an option, but this may be one hoop too many (and we've had to jump through plenty for the NCAA, the service academies, Princeton and Dartmouth -- my stomach is in knots regarding nomination letters and NROTC applications. Which reminds me, I have to figure out how she takes the ASVAB here...
If you can't tell... I'm just drowning a bit in all of this right now, on top of how nuts our move has been (we can't move anywhere easily, it seems -- but at least we will NOT be in a hotel for 7 months here!)
My dd interviewed and attended an info session at W&M a couple of weeks ago. W&M seems a bit unusual in that they say that their optional essay truly is optional. During the info session, they made a pretty big deal about this and said they have many students who are currently at the college who have not written the essay. I mention this because it looks like letters of recommendation are optional for them as well, which is something I have not seen at any other colleges. On the common app, there is space for three optional letters of recommendation. A number of the colleges my dd is applying to only allow one teacher recommendation. Most only allow two.
Also, from what I’ve read about more selective colleges and recommendation letters, a letter from someone who does not know the student on a personal level and who doesn’t get into specific examples isn’t going to be much of a help anyway. So, taking a class at the CC just for that purpose may not really be worth it.
We used a teacher my dd had from 7th through 10th grade for one of her recs because he knows her well and he was one of her favorite teachers even though I’ve had people tell me it should be someone from 11th grade.
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You can have your student take the SAT and the SAT subject tests at a college instead of a high school. Someone told me about that a couple of months ago and my dd took a subject test this weekend at a college. What a positive difference that was! She had to be there by 8:00 and was out by 9:30, which is as it should be for a one hour test. Whenever she’s taken a subject test at the high school, she never gets out before 12:30 or even later. For a one hour test! Also, it was much more comfortable for her to take it at the college. It always makes her nervous to go into the high school near us and there have often been kids who are disruptive. She said everything was just calm and quiet during the testing. This was the best standardized test taking experience she’s ever had. Just thought this info might help someone.
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It’s been many years since I’ve done things alone. Before I got married, I lived alone for a number of years and really enjoyed it. I spent time with friends and family, but I liked doing things by myself and it was a big adjustment to never be alone once I was married with children. Now, it has been 20 years of almost always being around others between my dh working at home for many years (which he recently had to discontinue) and home schooling. Now, I really dislike going to the mall or shopping by myself!
I’ve been working on revitalizing old friendships and forming new ones over the last year or so because I am going to have a lot more time for others soon and I don’t want to be alone. I’m also looking for some sort of work, either volunteer or paid that I think I would enjoy doing. I was just saying to my dd this morning that I am going to see if there is a hiking group on meetup.com so that I can continue doing that regularly when she goes to school.
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Okay, I think I will just go with unranked because doing anything else is going to drive me crazy.
AP versus online college course for homeschooler
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My dd has taken both PAHS AP courses and CC DE classes. They have been completely different experiences, Most of the PAHS classes are good, but very involved and time consuming. Ridiculously so in some cases, IMO. Some of their courses are really great, but others seem to have massive amounts of extra work. We audited one of the PAHS classes because of this. My dd has taken a few classes at the CC and it takes her about 2 hours a week to do the homework, even for upper level classes. And yet, she still masters the material. She didn’t wind up taking the AP Stats exam, but after completing the cc course, she took a practice exam and did well on it. If she had taken the PAHS AP class, it would have been 2 hours of work a day from what I’ve heard.
So, I’d make a decision depending on the topic and the student’s level of interest, I think. If this is a class they’d enjoy completely delving into and they have the time to spend 2 hours a day for a full year, I’d go with PAHS. If it’s a class where they want to learn the material but want to to do it more efficiently, I’d go with the cc. At least, that has been our experience.
Another plus for the cc is that my dd enjoys being out and having live interaction with the teacher and other students.