In that case I wouldn’t eat inside with them. Especially not your 94 year old grandma. Sorry, I wish people could just be careful for the sake of others. I do think that it seems the tests are quite good at showing infectious people.

On TWIV they have talked about the rapid antigen tests a lot and say that they are good at telling if someone is infectious. I personally, although fully vaccinated, would not eat inside with an unvaccinated high risk person because I don’t want to risk being the one to infect them. That is me though, and not everyone feels that way, which is ok. I just can’t after what I’ve seen. But the option to get vaccinated is readily available so it really is a risk the unvaccinated person takes on themselves.

Well that’s too simple. It can’t work because it isn’t being “suppressed”

And to me really annoying. Would love to see the people devoted to Ivermectin, and saying horrible things about hospitals who aren’t prescribing it, admit that they may have been wrong, even people on this board. But I don’t for one minute think that it will happen. There will be complete silence, then they will move on to the next fad medication, and excoriate Drs for not leaping right in and prescribing this “miracle drug”. I can’t tell you how fed up it makes me.

So sorry you are having to go through this. Will be praying for your dd and you and the family.

Quite an interesting view for people in healthcare to hold. Hard to believe really, as I see so many of them being very kind and caring to the vulnerable people they are caring for. The only apt expression is - The whole world has gone mad!

I honestly don’t know what I think of the mandates. From a purely practical point of view I’m sure mandates will mean more people get vaccinated. But looking at our society and the need for us to work together- I’m not sure mandates will help. I’m also not impressed with the stupid, non-evidence based reasoning some of my fellow HCWs are using to fear the vaccinations. Not enjoying working through a pandemic with a number of conspiracy believing co-workers who’s lived experience contradicts the conspiracies, and yet whose political beliefs beliefs are so strongly held that they can deny what they see with their own eyes. I would never have believed this was possible before this.

Yes it’s hard to have any kind of productive discussion about it because they can’t really state why they hold that position.

This seems crazy and sad. I am so sick of politics!

I don’t work for the hospital granting exemptions, but several people I work with do. It sounded like the exemptions were very vague and seemed to just require signing something asking for one.

Not sure what is going to happen at work because of the vaccine mandate. So far it looks like a number of people aren’t going to comply, but they haven’t given the final word yet, so maybe people are holding out until they absolutely have to. There are many hard core refusers though, who might find it hard to back down. I have, so far, not heard much at all in the way of well reasoned, evidence based rationale from any of them for their stance. A hospital fairly close by seems to be granting lots of exemptions, so maybe that’s the way it will be here too.

It’s been a week since I got my Moderna booster ( after Pfizer 2 dose initially) and the only side affect was a sore arm for 24 hours. I was wondering if anything else would happen but I guess not.

I’m not an expert but I like to discuss robotics all day. Not everyone around me feels that way, but fortunately my dd’s fiancé is robotics obsessed also, so I can always count on him for a good discussion about it.

The Holy Post podcasts are a lifeline for me. It is very difficult to find like minded people where I live. I’m sure they are here but hard to find because Christian nationalism is so wide spread and loud here. The Holy Post makes me feel like I am not alone.

Here’s my personal goal: I do not want to pass Covid on to anyone and that informs my actions. I have seen what it can do and I don’t want to be responsible for that. So far I have met this goal, despite working in a Covid rich environment and keeping robotics team meetings going throughout. I kind of find it hard to understand why most people can’t do something similar. I should add, though, that I don’t have kids in public school, and the kids on our robotics team are homeschooled, so that probably makes it a bit easier. I think personal responsibility could go a long way towards easing the pandemic.

I got a Moderna booster on Tuesday and so far only side effect was a sore arm for the first 24 hours. My fingers felt a bit tingly for a few hours, but, then again, if I was busy doing something I forgot all about it, so maybe that was mostly in my head. I had Pfizer for the first 2, had a sore arm, and then 5 days after the first dose felt totally exhausted for a day, so exhausted that I went and got tested for Covid, but it was negative. Waiting to see if anything happens in the next few days.

They were talking about it and other post Covid effects on a TWIV episode this week. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-week-in-virology/id300973784?i=1000540338772

Someone I work with lost her sense of smell and taste when she had Covid about 16 months ago and she still has a horrible taste at times which she calls the ‘Covid taste’ , she has still not got much sense of smell back either.

Honestly you and SKL sound unkind in the way you are talking about this. If it helps any, I know several people with long Covid to make up for you not knowing any. Be thankful you don’t know someone. Actually you may know someone but they just haven’t told you. I don’t know if the number in the article is accurate or not, but it is a significant problem for a number of people.

I agree with you. That’s what makes all the push for none proven meds even more unhelpful - it muddies the waters and makes it harder to make progress.

Here is the article I got that graph from. For some reason I couldn’t get it to add to my previous post. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/japan/

Any chance you have a reference for all this? I looked at the graph of vaccinations in Japan, it doesn’t look like they have stopped vaccinating at all.

I don’t know if your question was to me but I’m not in favor of ignoring these treatments at all. I’m just jaded by the people that jump on the band wagon of some of these treatments that have not been shown to convincingly do what they say they do, and then villainize the people who have been slogging away for months and months trying to save lives. And what is more frustrating is they tend to jump from one med, that is disproved, to another, with no acknowledgement that actually they were wrong about the previous one, and then wonder why we’re all not jumping up and down to accept, without convincing evidence, what they say about the latest one. I would also add that those Drs looking after the sickest Covid patients, have been working their guts out, for so long, with minimal breaks, while trying to keep up with all the latest research, so thinking they can realistically try any med someone has suggested as possibly beneficial, before the evidence comes in, is nonsensical. Rant over. Sorry

And that is a tragedy too, that the message about the protective effects has not reached them effectively.

I think the frustration comes from the fact that some people have been very vocal and unkind in spreading wrong ideas, and then, even when the error becomes apparent, there is absolutely no acknowledgement that they got it wrong, and they continue to push the false information. The frustration is that it can be a matter of life and death for those around them, not just themselves.