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  1. 23 hours ago, TheAttachedMama said:

    Well, for the record I really appreciate you starting that thread on the MP forum.    I wanted to send you a private message several times telling you that...but I chickened out.  

    I never knew what was meant when people talked about a "culture" on a forum until this year.  However, I think I understand now.   On the MP forum, people hardly ever share anything negative about the curriculum.   Memoria Press representatives are very active on the board, and many of them have personally worked very hard to make those books/classes/lesson plans.  And they are such nice people that I think many parents are hesitant to give them any criticism.   (Which I totally understand!  I feel the same way). For the most part, their books and classes are great so there isn't a problem.  However, no company or person is perfect.   And the problem is---sometimes many of us are having similar problems / thoughts, and we can't actually help one another if we aren't honest that a problem exists.

    Now TWTM forum is very different.   I hope poor Ms. Bauer has very thick skin because people are never afraid to criticize her books or products here. 😉  Said wtih tongue in cheek.   (THANK YOU MS. BAUER FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR HOMESCHOOLERS...just in case you happen to be reading this!  We do love you, and we are grateful for the freedom to express options on your forum.). 

    SO--all that to say thank you for being brave and speaking up about a problem.   With their progym program, we kept being told to just "trust" the process and MPs chosen path.   However, I don't like to *trust* things blindly!    So thank you for speaking up.   You might have saved me hundreds of dollars...and more importantly YEARS of time that I would never be able to get back.   SO thank you!    (And as an aside, I am grateful for people speaking up about their science path.   For a few years, everyone was towing the line saying, "Middle School Physical science in 9th grade.   It's fine."   NOW--thanks to a few brave people that has changed to, "Physical Science in 9th grade is fine IF you are weak in math in science."  


    I'm totally agreeing with this.  I love MP, however, not every piece is for every kid.  I asked lots of questions about Introductory Physics for my 9th grader and decided to go with it, but it turned out to be a disaster for my son.  Had I known how much math was in it, I never would have chosen it for this year.  I love the mastery idea, but my kid just detested the book and assignments.

    He is also in MPOA High School Comp I as was suggested to me.  He took two years of the progym with Schole Academy (Classical Academic Press) and their head writing teacher didn't think my son's writing was far enough along from his Schole classes and recommended HSCI, which he is sailing through.  Now I wish I had picked something else for him because the course is mostly review. 

    My other issue is that there is no interaction between the students and teacher.  The students can't even see each other.  They  communicate with the teacher and each other by chatting, which I don't like.  Schole was very interactive, and was more like a regular class, and a better fit.  Since they are small there were no class times that would work with our schedule this year. Now I don't know what to do for next year.  I was hoping MPOA was going to take us through high school writing, but I don't see it working out.  I'll have to look into these other options.

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  2. You might want to look at Master Books science courses.  The texts are quite interesting and they have General Science I (Ocean, Astronomy, Weather, and Mineral) and General Science II (Geology, Cave, Fossil, Archaelogy).  Since the workbook/teacher guides  with quizzes and tests are pretty inexpensive, you can mix and match which books you would like to do.  We switched to this after a dismal eight weeks struggling through Novare Introductory Physics.  If you want labs, they have suggestions on the website. 

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  3. Thanks so much for answering!  I did go ahead and buy the Shormann subscription and my son is two weeks into it.    I'm not so sure if it was the right choice or not, so only time will tell.  He really needs someone to hold his hand through math, but I'm not the one to do it and my husband is too busy, so this seemed like the next best thing after going through CLE math.  A friend of mine uses it with her son and has been very happy with the results, so I'm sure hoping for the best for my kid.

    I will go ahead and look into Unlock Math, though.  I've never heard of that program.

  4. 2 hours ago, TracyP said:

    I'd look at it like this: A student who completes 710 is prepared to start algebra, imo. A student who completes 804 is better prepared... And a student who completes 810 is even better prepared...

    If your student is doing well with CLE and understanding the math, I'd be perfectly comfortable calling it a year after 805. 

    Thank you!  This is the kind of information I'm looking for.  

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  5. 1 hour ago, Storygirl said:

    DD17 did 700 and 800 before algebra, but it's been too many years now for me to remember clearly whether she reached the very end of 800 or not. (Also, DH was helping her with math those years, so I was less involved). I will say that she was well prepared for algebra in 9th grade when she switched to brick and mortar school. And I was not always sure that she would be, because math was hard for her.

    Can your son do some math over the summer? Long breaks are not always good for retention, anyway. If you go through the last books but skip the tests and quizzes, you can save a bunch of time. And you can also move more quickly if you combine lessons. Do two days' worth of the new material daily but only one of the review sections. This allows you to get through two lessons per day without spending twice the time. With these time saving strategies, he can cover all of the material in less than half of the time.

    I wouldn't say that this is the preferrable way in general, but it allows him to be exposed to all of the teaching in the remainder of the program in a much shorter period of time. Which seems better than just skipping it.

    Yes, we are doing exactly what you suggested, except for skipping quizzes and tests.  I am just pretty confused about how much is absolutely necessary to begin algebra because some say getting to 804 is enough and some say getting through 710 is enough to be ready.  We are trying to squish two years of pre-algebra into one so I would like to eliminate whatever we can.

  6. My son is going to begin Shormann Algebra I in the fall for 9th grade.  He did CLE 700 and is in 805 right now.  Is it necessary to finish the 800 series to begin Algebra 1?  I've read both 700 and 800 are considered pre-algebra and the student needs to do both, I've read 800 isn't necessary, and I've read doing part of 800 is enough?  I'm confused.  Is 700 pre-algebra?  Is 800 a mix of algebra 1, geometry, and consumer math?  Can someone help me with this?  

  7. This will be my first high schooler and I hope this goes well!

    Math- Shormann Algebra I???  

    English/ Composition- Fix It Grammar Book 4, Vocab from Classical Roots books B and C, and MPOA High School Composition I

    Literature- MP Middle Ages Literature and Poetry 

    History- MP Middle Ages and Roman Roads Christendom videos and hopefully MP Renaissance if they get it published

    Science- Novare Introductory Physics

    Foreign language-  French I with a local teacher and Duolingo

    Elective- MP Geography III

    Fine Arts- Homeschool Orchestra and Choir

    Extracurriculuar- Basketball and Bible Quiz Team



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  8. On 1/19/2019 at 11:57 AM, Clear Creek said:

    My oldest is doing one unit of OWC this year (the Philosophers) and I don't think what you are suggesting would work very well. The lectures are an in-depth discussion of the assigned reading. The student would have to do the reading assigned for OWC in order to get enough from the lectures to make it worthwhile.

    Thanks!  I did email RR over the weekend and asked if the Christendom program should really be done as a whole and I was told the lectures give a good overview of the books that are read and I can use them with another curriculum.  Maybe the unit you are doing is a little different?  I am still trying to figure out what to do.  I wish they had more samples videos up than just the introduction.  That would help me decide.

  9. 8 minutes ago, Æthelthryth the Texan said:

    I just really am not sure- sorry! 😞  You might ask over on the MP forums. I don't know how active they are, but since there is a lot of cross over between fans of MP and Circe, a lot of Circe fans know Wes's stuff as he's collaborated with Circe , so the MP forums may be your best bet to see if anyone has done this combo. 

    No problem!  I will ask over there. 😊

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  10. 23 hours ago, Æthelthryth the Texan said:

    I’ve never used MP, so honestly I’m not sure. It seems like for the money of both it would be a lot of work to line up, as just glancing at MP 9th grade list, they cover a lot more ground/years than he is in GB1. If I spent that much $$ I wouldn’t want to do that much work to try and fit them together. I mean, there is always something to gain from his lectures, but I don’t know that I would advise it if you are really wanting to do MP. I’d be wary of overloading my student. 

    I'm not planning on doing everything MP has listed for 9th grade, like American and Roman history, Christian studies, their Logic, or Latin.  Does that make a difference?  

  11. 13 hours ago, Æthelthryth the Texan said:

    Do you mean stand on their own as just lectures without reading the works and doing the writing? 

    Yes, so would it work to watch the lectures, but do MP history and literature from the same time period?  I'm sure the most ideal thing would be to do OWC as a whole, but I'm just trying to figure out all my options.  I've only looked at the one video they have for Christendom, which is the introduction, so I can't tell if what I'm proposing will work or not.

  12. 5 hours ago, ByGrace3 said:

    Just curious, if there is very little discussion/interaction, what is the benefit of doing the live classes as opposed to the videos? Thank you for all of your help!

    And along these lines, can the OWC video lectures stand on their own?  Can they be paired with another curriculum purely for the benefit of listening to Wes Callihan?  I am wondering if I can pair the videos with MP Middle Ages history and lit.

  13. Is it possible to combine RR Old Western Culture Christendom with Memoria Press Middle Ages history and literature?  This would be for 9th grade next year.  I've been using MP history and lit for two years now and it's going well.  However, I recently discovered RR OWC, and know we could all greatly benefit from Mr. Callihan's teaching.  My husband watched a segment and immediately said, "Sold!"  Would combining the two be too much?

    Thoughts?  Advice?  This is my first foray into high school and I want to get it right.


  14. ^^^ I agree.  There are many things we do that stretch our kids, and Latin is not the only route to accomplish this.  My kids can't stop playing piano, learning math, struggling through biology, etc. just because they don't like it when it becomes difficult.   Just because we let Latin go doesn't mean we let it all go.

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  15. 3 hours ago, Srtepe said:

    I took Latin for 4 years of high school and 2 years of college. I can’t say it has been an asset. I have rarely used it to decipher a word meaning- not that I even remember any of it now.  It makes more sense to learn Latin and Greek roots if you want to aid in vocabulary (or French would actually help more). As far as grammar, my 9th grader never had Latin and is far better at learning Spanish grammar than I am. I think the advantages of learning Latin are largely a myth. 

    I don’t think your student will miss out at all by dropping Latin for a modern language. 

    Thanks for responding.  I've decided to let him stop and he's so excited.  

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  16. My son will be finishing up CLE Math 8 this year in 8th grade and has done very well with this curriculum, getting A's on the majority of quizzes and tests.  Are there algebra programs that have a similar teaching style to CLE math since their spiral approach has been a great fit for him?  I am looking for something with engaging video instruction, too.  I know CLE has algebra 1, but no videos that I'm aware of.  

  17. 56 minutes ago, Lori D. said:


    Just sharing, as I always feel that knowing your student is the "trump card" in making these decisions -- in this case, in deciding whether or not continuing with Latin will/won't help the student with foreign language acquisition. There is NO one-size-fits-all when it comes to language learning. 🙂

    I totally agree with you.  I am not worried about him having difficulty learning another language with or without the Latin background.  He is very much like me, and I learned French in high school without any trouble and I had no Latin.  When my husband and I went to Europe, I had no trouble learning German and Italian in order to communicate, and I also began learning Russian a few years ago and had no difficulty with that, either.   Could Latin have helped me learn better?  Who knows?  We are musical people in my family and I tend to believe the listening skills you develop playing instruments helps so much when learning new languages.

    I also believe he won't benefit  much if it is forced upon him year after year.  Time would be better spent on things he actually enjoys, or at least puts up with, which is everything but Latin!

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  18. 1 hour ago, Lori D. said:


    Sounds like you've met your Latin goals (English vocabulary help and prep/foundation for learning a foreign language), you've reached a natural stopping point (finished Memoria Press's First Form), and he hates Latin -- BUT he has 2 other languages he's interested in switching to (so not *just* dropping all foreign language).

    Just me, but that all that adds up to "this is a good time to stop Latin and move on to something else". I'd vote for being done with foreign language until you start your new semester after the holidays, and then start dabbling with Spanish and/or German, and then you can get more serious and diligent with DS's choice of modern language in 9th grade.

    Just my thoughts! BEST of luck, whatever you decide. Warmest regards, Lori D.

    Thank you!  I think I needed the permission to stop from those with a different viewpoint.  I like the idea of dabbling in the other languages.  He's had fun doing a little of that on Duo Lingo.

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