ELaurie
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in order to read until 9:30 :001_smile:
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You may want to post this in another forum on the board as this one is the testing forum. Folks only come in here if they want to post a "test" post to see if it works, or to practice posting pictures or the like. I suggest you repost on the K-8 Curriculum Forum.
Yep :iagree:
This is good advice - and welcome aboard!
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that was probably just a temporary forum glitch.
To reply to a post, just click on "Reply" at the top of the thread, or below the post. You don't need ot copy the URL. Does that answer your question, or were you asking something else :tongue_smilie:
We can't "Like" a post as you would on Facebook, though.
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you can figure it out :001_smile: I'd never even heard of message boards before I showed up here 5 years ago!
Warning - this board is addicting - enter at your own risk :D
And welcome!
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there have been a few of those lately. Try again; it should be fine :001_smile:
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I am not a classical homeschooler; however, I registered because I am finding your forum to always be coming up when I google about homeschooling my special needs dyslexic son. I finally registered because I am searching for more support information on his needs!
Is it okay for me to be posting here? I will be respectful to others opinions. I actually enjoy the classical books we use in our HS but we are very relaxed, eclectic schoolers :)
Thank you
Jodi
Welcome! You'll likely find lost of help on the Special Needs boards as well :001_smile:
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When I subscribe to threads - I'm not getting emails...anyone know why? : (
Subscribing just means that they show up under "Subscribed threads" when you click on "Quick Links." I don't know how to receive them as emails, but I'm sure someone else does :001_smile:
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click on User Control Panel. You will see a menu that offers choices; "Edit Signature" is one of them. Click on Efdit Signature, type your signature, and click on "Save" :)
The titles are just for fun, and they're based upon the number of posts you have. You'll move up in the "hive" automatically as you post :001_smile:
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save SOTW for after you arrive :001_smile:
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the Fly Lady suggests asking "Is this item blessing my home?" and if not, "can it be a blessing to someone else?'
Blessing others with something I no longer use is an incentive to give things away.
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Quiver's rolls: Are the rolls difficult to make? I have a recipe that is FANTASTIC, BUT, they take FOREVER to make.
FWIW: I am a member of NEITHER the ACLU nor the NRA.
Dawn
Well, they're delicious. but they it does take time to make them.
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I love this board! Y'all are so wonderfully helpful (although reading threads like these is often expensive :tongue_smilie:)
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Why are you feeling like you screwed up? Why are your kids asking to go to school? Were you involved in support groups or coops with other homeschooling families?
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the thought of strangers "patting down" our dc makes me want to throw up.
YYMV, of course.
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This post is copied from a previous thread about Beowulf; it was written by Cleopatra.
Yes, absolutely!!!I just studied it in a university fantasy lit class. We talked about the manuscript of the book and, because of all the "Christian" references in Beowulf (all Old Testament, which is curious), does it actually show the advent of Christianity into Britian or was the manuscript later altered by monks copying these references into the original script? No one knows.
Beowulf, the character, fascinated me. The society he lived in was all based on blood-feud ..... if someone offended you, you would simply attempt to massacre him and all his family, which, of course, he would then try to do to you and your family. Beowulf acted completely contrary to the society in which he lived. For example, he:
* shows respect to Hrothgar even though Hrothgar shows a reluctance to fight
* does not rise to Unferth's taunts and is courteous to him in spite of them
* in Hrothgar's weak position, he could easily have tried to usurp Hrothgar's power but does not
* when Unferth gives Beowulf his sword to use against Grendel's mother (Unferth now shows respect towards Beowulf) and it is of no use to him, when Beowulf returns from the lair, he does not tell Unferth but merely thanks him, with courtesy, for its use
* he refuses to take kingship in his own country over the king who is already in place (Heardred) even though the people request his leadership, but waits until Heardred's death to assume the position
* he is a courteous man, etc.....
Beowulf is trying to shed the old ways and bring about change, which could be mirrored as the shedding of paganism and the advent of Christianity.
In contrasting Christianity and Paganism, you could talk about (from my notes):
1. The pagan fate is impersonal and fearful; God controls everything and brings about his perfect plan
2. The Danes had turned to pagan help (counsellors) instead of God to help them conquer Grendel (lines 170-180)
3. Re: blood-feuds ...... the need for revenge, that becomes cyclical, leaves no room for God to bring about justice. True justice cannot happen because the men do not act with justice or honour.
4. While the end of the poem seems tragic (all Beowulf's victories do not cure the root problem of his culture), could it possibly be a new beginning, as we see change throughout the poem? Could it be the end of the Geats but the start of a new civilization, ie. the end of paganism and the start of Christianity?
We also talked about the qualities in the pagans that one could admire, such as loyalty, bravery, courage, perseverance, yet they felt that there was no hope (wyrd=fate)
We read the Seamus Heaney version and it was very enjoyable. The format is also good for annotation.
It was interesting to contrast Beowulf with Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. By the time of Sir Gawain, Christianity has come to Britian, as evidenced in King Arthur's court. The focus has now changed from the outward actions of Beowulf's pagan society (blood-feud, killing, power, etc.) to control over the inner-self, ie. the code of chivalry; the importance of the five virtues: generousity, courtesy, chastity, chivalry, piety; self-control; honor, etc. ........... I loved Beowulf and enjoyed Sir Gawain even more.
I hope my ramblings give you some food for thought! :001_smile:
I found her post very helpful, and saved it for future reference when I discuss Beowulf with ds 11 next year.
I agree that, when over-utilized, literature guides can kill a child's love of literature. OTOH, I think understanding literature in its cultural / historical context can serve as a helpful anchor for understanding the evolution of ideas that have shaped our civilization over time.
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I just reread the narration parts - I really do feel better now :tongue_smilie:
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your encouragement Capt.
You've helped me put things in perspective, and refocus on things we need to continue to review - spelling rules; finding the main idea in each paragraph, putting thoughts in to more succinct sentences before writing them down. I also appreciate the reminder that WWE 5 will help him with these skills next year :001_smile:
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Both of your suggestions are helpful reminders.
I usually have him tell me his narration orally, then help him with sentence structure and make a simple outline for him to work from when he writes. We've been working through the passages paragraph by paragraph to find the main idea, or to find at least one idea that he wants to include in his narration. Since this is similar to what he'll be doing next year in WWE 5, it seems like a logical way to help him make the transition. Later in WWE 5, I think they students summaries without looking back at the outline, but if I remember what we did in the beta testing, they can refer to the outline in the beginning.
I also help him with spelling, etc. as he writes, but I don't think I reinforce the rules as consistently as I should. Your suggestion is a helpful reminder to do that.
What dismayed me today was to see what he came up when left entirely to his own devices. I was helping his brother with something, so he dictated his notes into my phone, and wrote his narration from there. I really do think WWE 5 will help him organize his thoughts in a more systematic way next year. I can see that he has a long way to go, but he has also made a lot of progress this year using WWE 4.
Thanks again for your suggestions!
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:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
Did you go over the samples in WWE and ask him to compare his narration to those samples? That's a good idea - I also plan to go over his narration and the examples in the book with him next week.
I think for me, I wouldn't let spelling stop you from moving into WWS. I think the beginning of WWS might help him to tighten up his narration. Thank you for this advice! I may have him continue to work on spelling over the summer. My hope has been that WWE 5 would help him in just this way, but I didn't want to move ahead too quickly and leave him feeling frustrated. Who is this passage about? It's about King Alfred. Why was he important? "He worked hard to improve his country. He translated latin books in Saxon for his people. He passed just laws and enforced them. He also invented the first lantern to keep track of time." Who else is the passage about? "King Edward." Why was he important? "He succeeded King Alfred, who died of an unknown disease, to the throne. King Alfred united the seven kingdoms into one English kingdom."
That covered the gist of the passage in 6 sentences as dictated by SWB's instructions. You could work on sentence structure by combining what King Alfred did into one sentence in the above narration I wrote. Then you'd have an extra sentence to include something about King Alfred's nephew.
I do think WWS 5 will help him in this area. I would move forward with it when it comes out. Work on spelling and sentence structure in some other fashion...perhaps Killgallon or just edit his narration passages to work on sentence structure if you're comfortable with that.
Those are my 2cents....not an English prof...learning as I go.
Don't dispair, it's not that bad.
Capt Uhura
Thank you Capt! I feel better after reading your reply. The run on sentences are one of the issues we've been working on this year using WWE. I agree that he tries to put too many ideas, and / or too much detail in his sentences. I'll go over it with him next week, as you suggested. Thank you again for your encouragement! :001_smile:
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Ds 11 is a struggling speller, and finds writing difficult.
I typically provide quite a bit of help with his writing assignments, but he completed this one entirely on his own. I had planned to move him to WWE 5 next year, but now I am reevaluating that. WWYD? (Words in italics are words he asked me how to spell. He also left out the word said, in brackets.)
King Alfred worked hard to make England beter, he made sure all juges were fair and that all thieves were hevely punished, and they [said] that you could put gold chains in the street and no man would touch one. Now Alfred needed a way to keep track of time, and the way he did it was he took candles and made noches in them to keep track of the time; he also made boxes to put them in so drafts did not affect them. Next sadly King Alfred died and there was much fighting over the throne but eventually the rightful king came to the throne. Charles Dickens thougt that the Saxons were good and virtuous in every way.
Aargh. I am in despair.
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I got the same email that Simka did from GHC. It had both attachments.
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I think it would be wonderful to start a series of book discussion threads for logic stage literature. Ds 11 will be reading books from the literature selections recommended in TWTM next year, and as I pre-read them, I'm considering what I hope he will gain from the experience.
What is it reasonable for a 12 year old boy to gain from reading Beowulf, (for example) beyond a basic understanding of the story line?
What do I hope he will consider when reading about Sir Gawain, or Lancelot?
From reading The Inferno (still pondering this one . . .)?
I'm reading many of these books for the first time myself, and while Cliff Notes and Pink Monkey Notes provide helpful background information for me, they provide way more detail than ds 11 will need next year.
I think I'd like him to be able to recount the basic story line, and highlight one or two reasons why each work is important. It would be great to discuss some of those ideas here.
Would you like to to join the discussion (right now I am having it with myself :tongue_smilie:)?
how do I ...
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