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  1. You do realize that, historically, polio and measles were mandated vaccines. Jacobson v. Massachusetts—a US Supreme Court case upheld a mandate on smallpox vaccine school vaccine requirements were upheld in 1922 in another Supreme Court case We have a long, long history of having mandates for public health. Because of them we have been able to eradicate a number of diseases that used to kill many, many people.
    31 points
  2. I want every business and every school and every hospital system and every club and restaurant and theater to start doing vaccine passports. This won't get better until we force it. I'm so sick of these Covidiots ruining everything for the rest of us.
    31 points
  3. I've started decorating the area...
    30 points
  4. Y'all will appreciate this...every morning he texts me a photo of the thermometer and pulse oximeter with his numbers saying, "not dead yet" then asks if I can bring him coffee, lol. And I've taken to texting him a photo of his "delivery" like amazon and Shipt.
    29 points
  5. Everyone is free to not get the vaccine. But every business needs to start banning these folks from entering, as should also be their right. This is becoming standard practice for some situations - healthcare workers in some hospital systems, college students on many campuses, going to clubs and shows in NY... The practice needs to widely expand. You don't want to vaccine, fine, but then you get the virtual school for your kids. And the virtual college classes. You get closed out of concerts and theater. Your choice affects others and you're not free to walk around spreading the virus.
    27 points
  6. Or..fight fire with fire. Instead of the news telling people to get vaccinated, they shut up about it. Then hire some random people to make vidoes in their basement about "the real truth" about why the government doesn't want you to get vaccinated anymore. Like...they found out it makes you not have to pay taxes or something weird. Put the video on youtube, but then have it taken down right away for misinformation. That seems to be working for anti vax people...so maybe it would work against them too?
    24 points
  7. Imagine how healthcare providers feel, who are exhausted and traumatized by the last year and a half of watching people die, and are now facing yet another wave of overwhelmed hospitals and preventable deaths because so many people have decided they are "done" with the inconvenience of wearing a small strip of fabric over their faces and don't want to risk a day of feeling a bit crummy to potentially save their own lives, let alone the lives of others in their community, or the health and sanity of the healthcare providers, who are often subjected to bullying and harassment on top of the trauma of their daily jobs. Too bad healthcare workers can't just choose to be "done" with the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.
    22 points
  8. So, if someone is required to wear a mask and/or get a vaccine to enter a school or hospital or grocery store that’s taking away their right to make their own medical decisions. But if someone is required to subject themselves to exposure to a deadly virus to do the same things it’s not taking away the same right?
    22 points
  9. So much of this is flat out untrue. Getting vaxxed "changes almost nothing?" Even with Delta the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of catching or transmitting it, and they nearly eliminate the risk of hospitalization and death. How is that "almost nothing"??? And the idea that anyone who gets vaxxed is "almost certain" to get sick is also not accurate. Many people have nothing more than a sore arm, and those who experience other symptoms rarely feel bad for more than 24 hours. The idea that being almost totally protected against hospitalization and death, and largely protected from catching or transmitting it, is not worth the hassle of a sore arm or possibly a day of feeling crummy, is utterly absurd.
    21 points
  10. So? Isn't that better? I'm still trying to figure out how less infections, and 80% less severe illness, isn't worth it when it comes to the vaccine? And we may find out a 3rd dose brings us back to high efficacy against infection/transmission. I mean, polio is at least 3 doese. Dtap/Tdap is 3-5 doses depending on age when you start. Hep B vaccine is 3 doses. I don't see why it would be surprising to anyone that Covid requires 3 doses. That's a common thing in vaccines. But so many wan to just give up, like, "well, yeah, i twould reduce deaths by 90% and ICU admissions hugely, and prevent a not insignificant number of infections and transmission...but it's not perfect, so why bother?"
    21 points
  11. I'm not seeing anyone wanting the government to go around injecting people against their will. People want vaccines (or legitimate exemptions) required to participate in things, so that people who are participating in the solution to this aren't having their lives completely upended by those who refuse to. Had that happened as soon as we had vaccines, I don't believe we would be here at all. Delta wouldn't have found enough hosts to become dominant, R0 would have dramatically dropped, and we wouldn't be trying to figure out what is safe for our kids to do this fall while hospitals around the country once again fill up and thousands and thousands of Americans die an easily preventable death each month. It sucks.
    19 points
  12. I’ll remember that next time I want to have an abortion. 🙄
    19 points
  13. Ours forbids mayors and such from creating mask mandates, and forbids mask mandates in government offices/buildings. But private businesses can require them. So yay? Our schools just voted - masks are optional, even for unvaccinated. I think they were rare, now they are not due to a new variant being dominant. Situation changed, so our actions need to change. It's like if you leave for the day and it is warm, but later clouds up and gets chilly so you put on a sweater. That doesn't mean the earlier weather was a lie, or there is a conspiracy around sweaters. It means you are using common sense and adapting to changing conditions. Why is that so hard to understand?
    18 points
  14. There are national expert epidemiologists who are giving perfectly good advice to mask and vaccinate. Most people don’t have contraindications for the Covid vaccine. There are almost no contraindications for masking itself. It’s not that hard to ask a doctor if you specifically might have a contraindication for a vaccine. And honestly most of those who need to ask know to ask because they have immune issues already or clotting issues etc. This isn’t that hard- at least in the US. (Friends of mine overseas who have to decide whether to take one of the Chinese vaccines really do have a tough choice. So do the people offered AZ. ). Most of the excuses put up about this in the US are just that- excuses.
    18 points
  15. Hold on. You really want to open up the government being able to inject citizens without their permission? Holy heck. I have been totally behind the covid restrictions(masks, distancing), support the vaccine and have thought the deniers were crazy. But no. Just no. This is the US. We have the right to bodily freedom and the right to make our own medical decisions. That right has to be protected. Where in the world would we be next if we no longer have the right to make our own medical decisions?
    18 points
  16. And then the situation changed. When the vaccine was 90% plus effective at preventing infection at all, AND reduced viral load in those that had it 4 fold, the message was that the vaccine stopped the virus. As it should be. Then, a new variant became dominant, where the vaccine is less effective at preventing infection and transmission, but still effective at preventing death and hospitalization in the vast majority of cases. That's not as good, but still a good thing. The message changed because the virus changed. The facts changed. Why is that so hard to understand? If the weather changes, people throw on a coat or grab an umbrella. They don't stand there cold and wet because it is hypocritical to change the message or their actions. They adapt to changing situations. Why can't they do that with the virus?
    16 points
  17. Honestly, many many people do not take care of their health and do not care if they get sick. Truly, they don’t. People with severe COPD continue to smoke and not take their inhalers. People with heart failure go off their diuretics because they don’t like to pee all the time. People with diabetes don’t check their sugar, don’t take their medications, and eat whatever they want. Obesity is a huge problem. So it doesn’t surprise me that people are just not very concerned whether or not they catch Covid. I will try not to get on my public health rant, but Covid has just exposed issues and cracks that were already there. Hospitals in many areas are overwhelmed every day, especially emergency rooms. That happened pre-Covid on a regular basis. People don’t have insurance, can’t get into primary care doctors, don’t like using urgent care because many urgent cares require a credit card or payment up front. So they go to the ER. The other night at my hospital it was a 7 hour wait to be seen. There was almost no Covid, it was other things. This hospital just added 20 ER beds but they can’t keep up. ER’s are increasingly holding psychiatric patients for days or even weeks because they can’t find a bed in a psych hospital anywhere. That takes away nurses and beds from other patients. Covid may have shown a light on all of this, but the hospital overwhelm was already there. There’s a lot that can be done to live in a world where viruses like Covid and Influenza circulate. It wouldn’t take much for a flu variant to cause a pandemic, either. Invest in hospital infrastructure and medical personnel to reduce the overwhelm of Covid surges or even a bad flu season. Better public health to combat the chronic diseases like diabetes and COPD that predispose people to severe illness. Doctors that make house calls. Better insurance reimbursement across the board. Redesign movie theaters and restaurants going forward to have more space between people. Invest in research to make better masks that people don’t find so cumbersome. Move away from open floor plan offices and even houses so people can stay to themselves. Encourage a cultural mentality of staying home when feeling ill, even if that means more paid sick leave for all workers and a cultural shift away from the ethos of “working through anything.” Erase food deserts, subsidize healthy choices to make healthy food as cheap or cheaper than processed. This really isn’t about just Covid, though it’s the big thing right now. There is always going to be another virus or variant lurking around the corner; but maybe people and politicians can start to strategize ways to mitigate it.
    16 points
  18. So basically what this comes down to is "it's wrong to call it a pandemic of the unvaccinated because unvaccinated people don't like having it pointed out that they are causing the VAST majority of infections and virtually all hospitalizations and deaths and would rather pretend that vaccinated and unvaccinated people are equally like to spread it and that vaccinations make little to no difference." Nope, not going to contribute to the gas lighting.
    15 points
  19. There's two elements to this though. 1. When the spread was lowest in the places with high vax rates, this would have been reasonably okay. As our vaccines adapt, it could become okay again, but only if the vaccine rates go up. 2. Which they won't do until people are getting closed out of places they'd like to go. So to me, that's the point. It's not a... I want to go to a club right now with Delta everywhere. It's... I want to one day eventually be able to go to a club (well, to the theater, anyway) and that's not happening until vaccine passports become a more widespread practice, thus making the stick to make people up the rates. I'm sick of this "oh, whatever" business about vaccinations. They work. They are not perfect. If everyone gets them, then even with Delta, we - like the UK - could have plummeting cases.
    15 points
  20. You laugh or you cry. Or both.
    15 points
  21. I know what people are saying..but WHY can't they understand that LESS infection is better than MORE infection. That LESS illness is better than MORE illness. I mean, people are flat out saying, "if it only prevents serious illness and death, what's the point" and I don't know how to point out that preventing serious illness and death IS the point. And also are totally understand numbers between 0 and 100. Either it works 100 percent, or it is useless, according to many. HOW do they really think that? Are people THAT stupid that they don't get that even 40% less cases and transmission is better???? That 80% fewer people dying is BETTER!?!?!
    14 points
  22. It didn’t arrive in the US until March, and on June 19th accounted for just over 30% of cases. If people had taken advantage of the opportunity to be vaccinated, things would be different. But certain Americans are profoundly selfish.
    14 points
  23. Oooh, I wish people wouldn't feel hopeless!! Look at the UK numbers -- lots of infections, but very few deaths and hospitalizations! And for all we know, a Delta infection after vaccination offers long-term immunity. We should try to get everyone who wants to get vaccinated, develop boosters, and let the chips fall where they may. This isn't going to last that much longer, I don't think. It'll become endemic and less scary, that's all.
    13 points
  24. Can you even reach herd immunity if there are a significant number of breakthrough and recurrent infections? I tried to Google recurrent infections but didn’t find much. My best guess is that natural immunity follows the same trend as vaccinated immunity. I think the CDC needs to change messaging completely. One thing they need to do is explain that what they’re calling “severe Covid” is intubation and proning and multiple week ICU stays. I’ve had three patients in the last week who were sick enough to call for an ambulance and they were vaccinated. The CDC needs to explain that for many people, what they classify as “mild covid” can still lead to ER visits, dehydration, shortness of breath, and the overall body aches and major fatigue for weeks. You won’t die, but the CDC needs to tell people they’re still likely to feel awful. Apparently, the vaccine will keep you from dying, but it’s not going to keep you from being sick and/or transmitting the disease to others. It will reduce your chances, but it’s more a sure thing. The CDC needs to explain that. Then the culture needs to decide what to do. I don’t think long term masking or social distancing is either a good idea or feasible. Some people may choose to mask, and putting money and research into comfortable masks that fit well and reduce transmission would be great. I personally cannot wear a fit tested N95 for much more than 20 minutes. Research into lighter weight, comfortable but protective options would be amazing. Focus should move to treatments. At this point, everyone is going to get Covid unless you’re willing to stay locked in your house forever. Pouring money and brains into early treatments, anti-virals, and best practices would go a long way. The end goal of the war has shifted and they need to shift messaging and game plans.
    13 points
  25. Now she's officially Seaman Trinqueta.
    12 points
  26. Pretty good local friend who got Moderna in February just tested positive yesterday, Delta varient. She's immunocompromised for a prior condition. She describes her symptoms as not-terrible flu-y. Everyone else in her (fully vaxxed) household also tested but only she seems to have it. Breakthrough cases are alarming, as is the surge in cases more broadly; and I'm getting grumpy that what looked in April like light at the end in the tunnel is more likely only a temporary reprieve. Hospitalizations in four states are back to Jan-Feb levels. But I'm trying to steady myself by repeating like a mantra, what 93% efficacy means, is that out of 100 million fully vaccinated people there will be 7 million breakthrough cases. It's simultaneously alarming and exactly what math says is going to happen. And the good news is, thus far this seems to be holding:
    12 points
  27. 🙄 It’s like the old story about the guy who declined a rowboat, a motorboat, and a helicopter while the floodwaters rose around his house.
    12 points
  28. I do think incentives are the only thing that might work...but even then. Ugh. I say we tell everyone that it will cure cellulite and make your penis bigger and advertise via random emails and see if that works.
    12 points
  29. Stack of hundred dollar bills. Regards, Kareni
    12 points
  30. Vaccinated people who are infected spread it just as much as unvaccinated people who are infected. Vaccinated people are still less likely to become infected in the first place. The news has been miserable at communicating this because they are trying to say two things at once. There was a hope that vaccinated people who became infected might have lower viral loads and be less likely to spread it. The new evidence shows this is probably not true. And vaccines are less effective at preventing infection from delta than from previous variants. But that doesn’t mean that the vaccine isn’t more effective at stopping delta than no vaccine. If you get sneezed on by a random person in the grocery store you’re still eight times more likely to have gotten a face full of covid if the person is unvaccinated.
    11 points
  31. Would it appease these people if they hear that getting Vaccinated will keep them away from an ICU and a ventilator? That is a win in anybody's book. (People with medical exemption would make a tiny % of the general population, so let us leave those people temporarily out of this debate and stick to the people who refuse to vaccinate and then create unnecessary burdens on our health care system). For people who claim that CDC or WHO has agendas, have no transparency etc... The truth is that Public Health Policy is a completely different ballgame from an individual's personal health policies. In public health policy meetings at the highest levels, if they kept death rate numbers below 1% of the population for example, during an-out-of-control pandemic, then statistically, they consider that they have done well to keep things from going off the rails. So, they base their recommendations on numbers like this and also what little emerging data that they have. And the CDC also has to walk on eggshells around angry masses fomented by politicians which is a difficult task as well. But 1% of the american population amounts to 3 million people. If you consider the prospect of 3 million deaths due to one disease in a span of 2 years, the numbers are too huge, the losses might affect every single community and we need to be smart and go above and beyond to protect our communities from this happening. Which is why it is stupid to argue about an effective vaccine that is free for the asking. It is not a big deal to wear a mask for the small period of time when we are inside a supermarket or a church. 600K deaths is too much already.
    11 points
  32. I'm normally a socialise-once-a-month kind of person. My mother, who lives in a care home near me, had a health crisis last week (now resolved) and the doctor suggested that people should visit if they possibly could. It was lovely so see both my brothers and their families but it was a lot. My cousin wants to visit my mum next weekend so will be staying with us too (this was fixed a long time ago) - Mum is the last of her generation. And my half-sister emailed me yesterday out of the blue to say that she and her family are visiting from Brazil and would like to meet up next week. All these requests seem reasonable to me, so I haven't felt able to refuse them. I'm not particularly worried about Covid risk - people have been careful (my sister quarantined after arrival in the UK) and everyone is fine about having Covid tests to come into our house (required by the care home in any case). But it's a lot of people for me in normal times and an enormous number of people after the quiet of the past sixteen months. And this is the busiest time of year in my job, when I regularly work through weekends to prepare for the new University semester. Aaaargh!
    11 points
  33. Removing the fear of hospitalization and death is a pretty good daily life improvement for me. I am so much less worried about my loved ones (and their loved ones, and so on).
    11 points
  34. I'd really suggest looking for volunteer opportunities this year for him. When they are taht deep in they can't do it themselves. For months I told DS to "find a volunteer option" and sent links to lists. That was too much for him. So instead, what worked was me making a list of 4 options, that I emailed to him with links about each one. I told him to pick one, and I would take him and drop him off that week. If he didn't pick, I'd pick. He sort of randomly picked the bird place. But seriously, those birds saved his life. He's a totally different person now - my parents spent a day with him recently and called me to remark on it - the change. That he seems well, happy, and well adjusted. He isn't doing all I'd like....he's not in school. But he works full time and does a good job. He's got friends he sees. He does things like kayak trips with them. None of that was happening before that bird place. I think it really is the sense of immediate feedback - cage was dirty, now it is clean. Bird was hungry, and because of me he isn't hungry anymore. I matter. I have purpose. And it is IMMEDIATE gratification. I swear all boys at that age need that immediate feedback - their brains can't really grasp long term stuff in a concrete way. A zoom class so that 2 yrs from now he can go to college so that 4 yrs from now he can get a job where every month he can get a piece of paper that symbolizes money is WAY too abstract for their brains. We do them such a disservice that way. They need NOW. They need to build or clean or move something and see it has value NOW. Once upon a time (and still in some places) a teen would work a job and get paid a few hours later. That works with the brain. Working on abstract stuff for a reward 6 yrs from now? Maybe? ESPECIALLY with a pandemic and economy issues? That does NOT work with their brain. I am fully okay saying my kid got a credit of "avian science" for working 3 days a week at that bird center. Fight me on it. He got history credit for watching documentaries and discussing them (fighting sometimes about them). He got english credit for reading dystopian novels and talking about them. We fudged a lot that year. And I DON"T CARE because he is ALIVE. And all that crap is stuff any intelligent human can freaking learn later, quickly, if they need it. Again, fight me on it, lol. We do what needs to be done so they live, so they have options later. Seriously, see if there is anything like that. Animal rehab places and shelters don't close for pandemics. And are mostly limited in how many people he'd be exposed to - much of it likely outdoors. (I also think being outside in the sunshine and doing manual labor was very beneficial - he got tan and wirey and that was good for him). Food pantries don't close for pandemics. Meal delivery. Something. Or even look for any kind of camp or off site volunteer/wilderness/anything training. That will be harder to find now, but worth starting to look. Firefighting volunteer, police programs, those are other options to look for and see if they are happening - places where he will be around some older guys to look up to, to see that good things can be on the way. Jobs where ADHD is the norm, not a hinderance....(just guessing on that one, but a lot of teen boys with mental health struggles at that age are ADHD in my experience). I'm happy to discuss more in PM if you'd rather...seriously, I get that feeling of going to bed at night worrying over teen suicide statistics, if they will ever find their way out of this, what you could have changed, etc. I do. Heck, at a boyscout even with my littles we mentioned we'd gone to a particular camp once with our oldest, when he did cubscouts. The leader got all interested and asked if he'd made Eagle. I rolled my eyes and said, "we were just happen he didn't die or end up in jail". Like....that was SO far out of our reality..eagle scout. No...but he lived. He lived, and that was enough. so I get it.
    11 points
  35. The mRNA vaccines seem to work well on it, actually. Right, or even just a third dose. We give MANY vaccines in 3 or more doses, why would Covid be different? Pertussis is 3-5 doses, Polio is 3 doses, Hep B is 3 doses. I'm awfully glad that with all those things people didn't do 2 and then say "screw it" and give up, you know? If it stops people from getting really sick, that's the important thing. And it does reduce infection/transmission. Not as much as with other variants, but less spread is better than more spread. And a 3rd dose may bring it back up even higher. Also, testing is becoming easier! With at home tests at $10 each, we have another way to control spread. For instance, before I see my high risk mom, I can and will test if we've been somewhere with higher exposure risk. My son, who really felt fine other than his sense of smell, was able o test and immediately isolate. That is going to help. Personally, once my kids are vaccinated I'll feel content to at least do outdoor activities, have vaccinated friends over, see family. Without a booster I don't see me doing say, a big stadium unmasked unless rates go down here (our numbers suck). But life will be much better.
    11 points
  36. Seriously. It’s like saying drunk driving doesn’t matter because deer jump into the road all the time. Let’s just abdicate all personal responsibility from everything, cuz we’re all gonna die some day!
    11 points
  37. Well, I don't know why anyone would want to be in a stadium filled with people right now anyway, personally, but if it was filled with only vaxed people, the number of infections would be much smaller than the number if it was filled with unvaxed people. Think of measles vaccine. If exposed to measles, a small number of vaccinated people will still get measles and be able to transmit it, while a huge number of those not vaccinated for measles will catch it and be able to transmit it. If nearly everyone is vaccinated, that reduced transmissions among the vaccinated is enough to have the outbreak dwindle. Reducing transmission matters a LOT on a population scale, even if it doesn't completely stop it. And of course, even bigger is that hospitalization and death is almost completely prevented. It's very worrisome how long that will hold true with the current level of transmission.
    11 points
  38. SCISSORS I want scissors that shock anyone who picks them up who isn’t me. 🤣
    11 points
  39. A. Vaccinated people are not the only ones spreading this virus. I would postulate that in most areas unvaccinated people are spreading a lot more virus to each other than what is spread by vaccinated people. I do recognize that some vaccinated people are able to catch and transmit the virus. This is different from the conspiracy theory that the vaccine itself is being shed and making people sick which some (not you, Plum) are spreading. B. If more people were vaccinated then it wouldn't matter as much that SOME vaccinated people can spread it. It would protect them from the majority of unvaccinated spreaders as well as the few vaccinated spreaders. (Not 100% protection - no one ever said that it would be 100%) This virus hits the unvaccinated harder. It hospitalizes more of the unvaccinated - much more. It kills more of the unvaccinated - much more. The whole point of the slogan is to get more people vaccinated. And honestly, quibbling about the wording of the slogan seems silly when a lot of these people won't vaccinate no matter what wording is used.
    10 points
  40. So what you're saying is that the data and the announcements have nuance, but the public understanding isn't able to grasp those nuances. Am I understanding that correctly? I'm afraid we are reaping what we have sown. Abysmal science education has consequences.
    10 points
  41. Just to repeat this part, because it seems to be getting missed repeatedly: the CDC data found the vaccines still reduce infections with delta 8-fold. I’d love to find a graph someone has done showing the difference between everyone having a vaccine with that level of effectiveness vs not. The infection curves and number of people infected would be very different. I don’t understand this statement. How is it either? 99% of those dying now are unvaccinated, and almost that percentage of those hospitalized. How is it not a pandemic of the unvaccinated? Why do people particularly react to that statement when it’s purely descriptive of the actual situation?
    10 points
  42. I started the local tween/teen group for homeschoolers here. It was tiny at first...no one came the first meet up. 1 family came the second. Now, years after he graduated it is still going strong! Our secret was it was casual. No prep for parents, and that we let the kids just hang out. We'd meet up at parks with playgrounds during school hours. Teens actually LOVE playgrounds, although they will pretend it is all ironic and not real enjoyment, lol. The parents would hang out at the covered picnic area, and the teens would wander onto the playground far enough away so that the parents couldn't overhear them, and be all silly on the equipment or just talk. Maybe throw a ball, usually not. I think a lot of homeschool kids don't get much time to talk to other kids out of earshot of adults, so they liked that. When the weather was bad we met at the local mall and the parents would hang at the food court while the kids wandered the mall in groups. No activities, no art projects, no grades. Just hanging out, talking, being teens. My son still is good friends with the kids he met there.
    10 points
  43. I'm quoting you, but this is directed at @Roadrunner. I do know from experience the terror of a child who is not thriving and not being able to change the factors that were exacerbating the situation. We ended up making small changes and decisions that we never ever would have considered before then. When you can, maybe pull back and brainstorm any crazy idea that might create the change you need. Maybe you have a therapist or partner or friend who can help. I had all three. Some of the smallest changes headed us in directions that created the biggest positive (in the way if you veer off at a small angle, over time you are far from where you were.) Some of the "impossible" changes became the biggest blessings for everyone. When I was where you are, I often felt hopeless and stuck. My therapist would listen and then ask "What is going well?" For example, dc do go back to school and repeat years. They go back, do a year and then homeschool again. They go to boarding school. Families relocate for temporary reasons for schooling. I'm not saying do the above, just create a list without censoring it. I get caught in the trap of what "should" happen and forget there are alot of ways to do things. I also underestimate what I am capable of with regard to change.
    10 points
  44. Nope. But setting health requirements to conduct business is fine with me - that’s why we have restaurant inspections, OSHA requirements, drug tests, labor laws, CPSC and other safety measures. These all protect public health. Vaccine requirements for school children protect public health. Are there vaccine exemptions? Sure, but remember that valid exceptions to the rule only work when people follow the rules.
    10 points
  45. Our Gov. just announced that all educators are expected to get the vaccine and if they don't, they must get covid tested every week and bring the results to their supervisors. I am wondering how this will pan out with some very vocal anti-vax educators in my district. Could be an interesting year.
    10 points
  46. Well since lots of them believe that about the election, it’s not much of a stretch sadly.
    10 points
  47. Those pediatric vaccines cannot get here soon enough.
    10 points
  48. Everyone he was with has now tested negative (all were vaccinated). Those he saw at work on Tuesday will be tested at some point, but it is too soon. They were all masked, and everyone but one there is vaccinated (she's waiting for third trimester I think...so maybe she already did, and I don't know if she was actually working yesterday)
    10 points
  49. Because I'm not comfortable throwing my hands up in the air and saying "fine. Go ahead and wrack up thousands of dollars in medical debt (because the longer this goes on, the less the cost is going to be picked up by state and federal governments as well as insurance companies). Go ahead and possibly get chronic illness that will leave you unable to work and to actually pick up what's left of life (been there, done that, have the t-shirt). Go ahead and risk making your kids orphans, depleting the economy of workers because they died etc.". No - not everyone who gets covid has moderate to severe illness but an awful lot do and I'm not comfortable gambling with people's lives even if they are. I actually believe that we have communal responsibilities and that government especially has responsibilities towards our communities.
    9 points
  50. We have seatbelt laws, and helmet laws, and drunk driving laws, all of which restrict people's bodily autonomy. If people did the right thing on their own, we wouldn't need those laws. But people have proven again and again that they WON'T do the right thing unless someone makes them. So make them, somehow.
    9 points
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