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  1. Pen, that's conspiracy-theory reasoning. This is not the case with any other vaccine, and it is extremely unlikely that this is the case with THIS vaccine. Furthermore, there is no evidence that it IS the case for this vaccine, and a great deal of evidence that it isn't the case. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche
    33 points
  2. You cite a Belgian veterinarian whose made-up "theories" are spread on YouTube and FB, and then imply that an article published by McGill University, that refutes this guy's discredited ideas point by point with actual data, is not to be trusted and is pushing some sort of agenda? I have to say, Pen, that watching you fall deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole of Q-spiracies and covid quackery over the course of the last 12 months has been really disheartening. I sincerely hope that once this pandemic is over you're able to find your way back.
    32 points
  3. The vaccine will make a huge difference in my life. Not immediately with regards to the very easy mitigation efforts of masking, social distancing and low crowd sizes. But it will make a difference as it lowers Covid rates in my local area and eventually in the country as a whole. This will improve everyone's quality of life. Also it will lower my risk of hospitalization and/or death significantly. Since I am immunocompromised that is very significant for me but even if I weren't, it would still lower my risk.
    32 points
  4. I believe CDC still asks you to follow a lot of those guidelines, and it makes sense as case numbers are still as high as they were last summer and increasing in some places. I feel safer if everyone in the grocery store is masked; if people aren't masked, how do I know if they are unmasked because they are vaccinated or just don't like masks? Our state is running ads to remind everyone to "follow the four"--wear masks, wash hands, stay 6 ft away from people, and avoid crowds. And they don't say to do that only if you're unvaccinated. But when we have enough people vaccinated to have very low
    31 points
  5. Don't worry, you didn't make any mistakes and your questions were not offensive at all. What Pen actually means is that most people here are pro-science. So if you want to argue that Andrew Wakefield is a persecuted martyr who proved that vaccines cause autism and there's a global conspiracy to suppress that, you can expect push back. If you're going to link to crazy anti-vaxx websites that promote conspiracy theories with no basis in fact, expect serious push back. But if you say "I read that mRNA vaccines can cause infertility, is there any truth to that?" you'll get a respectful discu
    30 points
  6. To answer the OP’s question: anxiety. Anxiety is the reason someone does a bunch of likely unnecessary things. People who have anxiety control the small part they think they can control because the part they cannot control feels scary. I hope you will stick around and get a feel for the board. This is the best place on the web for intelligent, well-reasoned discussion. IRL, I call this board, “my smart people.” It’s only because of my smart people that I had masks, sanitizer, wipes, extra toilet paper and a pulse oximeter last February.
    29 points
  7. I'd suggest that one of two things is going on. Either somebody in her life is extremely high risk, and she wishes to take no extra chances (and you may not know this about her even if you think you know her well), or, it's possible she's suffering from some sort of anxiety disorder or similar conditions. At any rate, how she lives her life is her business. If you're her friend, you don't really need to know her reasoning, you just need to understand that this is important to her. (I do think she should not have lied, but in the long run increased herd immunity will benefit ever
    28 points
  8. You have not overstepped. This is an important discussion. Not all will agree on this board, just as not all will agree in “real life “. But the vast majority of us value honest debate backed with data and good logic skills. I think that’s fitting for a board focused on good education. The one discussion not allowed on this board (see post pinned at the top) are explicitly political posts.
    26 points
  9. There's a lot going on in this thread. I just got my second shot yesterday. I am mindful, from Moderna's own trial results as well as the communications from CDC, my primary care physician, and the pharmacist who administered it that full immunity will only be achieved 14 days from now. I am also mindful that though the vaccine has demonstrated in trial conditions 95+% efficacy in preventing COVID (an ASTOUNDING efficacy rate, much higher than many long established vaccines), that still means that 5%, 1 out of 20, people who get the vaccine will contract the disease if they a
    24 points
  10. But if you read the other thread (I think it's titled "To vaccine or not to vaccine" or something similar) you'll see that many of us have said we're okay with people making their own choices about whether or not to get vaccinated. Many of us are of the consistent belief that people should be allowed to make their own choices WRT their bodies. But bring wacko conspiracy theories into the discussion as an attempt to justify the decision and you should expect push back. Say "I want to wait awhile and see what happens" and I'm okay with that. Say "I'm going to wait because this person with no leg
    21 points
  11. This guy has not published any research in the last 25 years, and most of what he did publish involved animals (his last two papers, in 1995, involved monkeys and pigeons). If you look at his Linked In profile, he claims to have been managing director for a vaccine company called VARECO, which has no address or even a city — the location is listed as "Europe" — and an online search does not turn up any evidence of such a company existing. He claims to have been head of vaccine development for the German Centre for Infection Research, but his resume says he was only there for 5 months — I wonde
    20 points
  12. I know you don't want a debate so I do not expect you to engage with my response but your response needs a response. First, your allegation that you will receive "party-line responses" is extremely offensive and completely inaccurate. The virus is not political. Second, we have not been "purposefully kept in fear." The pandemic is real and has killed half a million Americans so far. Many more Americans are now suffering from long COVID. Third, the body is complex but the "science" tells us both that the pandemic is real and dangerous and that the vaccines are reasonably safe.
    17 points
  13. Pen, please - don't tell me to deeply interrogate the motives and backgrounds of fact checkers when, as near as I can tell, you're currently swallowing any amount of garbage fed to you by Youtube's algorithm if it resonates with you emotionally.
    17 points
  14. Every single time I see the phrase "Do your own research!" on social media it's attached to a post written by someone whose "research" sources consist of Facebook, YouTube, and various conspiracy websites. Basically what that phrase means is "Don't believe the scientists, epidemiologists, and public health experts — go watch a bunch of random YouTube videos to discover The Real Truth™ that [insert your preferred boogeyman] don't want you know about [insert your favorite conspiracy theory]!" Funny how they never seem to say "Here's a link to multiple peer-reviewed articles in reputable sc
    16 points
  15. RE the bolded text - the "media" is not telling us to fear the variants. Public health officials are warning us about the variants. I am not afraid of dying of COVID, although there is a risk of that. I'm concerned about long COVID. You use very loaded language in your response, e.g. "afraid." And we have evidence that the vax is very effective at preventing spread.
    15 points
  16. Resilient - I do believe that ultimately the decision to vaccinate or not for Covid should be between a person and their (qualified) medical doctor. There are some cases where doctors may advise someone not to get the vaccine. That has always been the case for all vaccines. But for the majority of us, I assume (with some basis for thinking this) that most doctors will recommend vaccination. I am skeptical of people who decide to reject the vaccine with no conversation at all with with their medical doctor because I do think that this is a decision that should be made with the help of quali
    15 points
  17. 14 points
  18. Getting vaccine advice from a veterinarian is not exactly the best idea. . .
    14 points
  19. What I'm noticing is that complaints of inconsistent messaging, when confronted with more consistent messaging, turned into complaints about propaganda and group think. And taking precautions shamed as being fearful. But then the vaccine is rejected out of fear of side effects.
    13 points
  20. I am pretty sure that scientists and medical professionals around the world are working on this as hard as they can. It would be completely illogical if that weren't the case.
    13 points
  21. These discussions are all the same. We're presented with several options to help end the pandemic, e.g. mask wearing, social distancing, and a vaccine. Then we hear, "I wish they would do this," or "I wish we had more evidence." It's a distraction. Why assume that people who know much about this than most of us aren't looking at many different ways of saving lives and ending the pandemic? Just because we don't hear about it, doesn't mean that the research isn't happening. Let's just admit that nothing will ever be good enough for some of the critics. Do people not under
    12 points
  22. I agree there is a lot going on in this thread! To the original OP: I'd guess anxiety is the cause. About various other topics: I've never understood the "fear" part. (I don't mean anxiety -- that's different.) I do not personally know a single person who lives in actual fear because of Covid. They're careful, not fearful, about how they live their lives. To me, their decision to get a vaccine is almost the opposite of fear. They're getting it even if they're not 100% sure how it'll affect them, and knowing they might feel sick for a day or two! But they're doing it to help othe
    12 points
  23. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262710 Thought I would share this here. New Pfizer data shows still very effective six months after second dose and seems to show effectiveness against, at least, the SA variant.
    12 points
  24. I agree with those who say that it is anxiety. I also think people resist shifts in behavior unless they have a personal motivation. I am between vaccine shots and am trying to get in the head space of being able to do some things differently, but it’s hard to imagine. As more people around us are vaccinated, and numbers go down, I think the general anxiety will lower and the people you are concerned about will relax. In my world, with some generalized anxiety, it’s not the media that causes fear, but the folks who refuse to take any precautions and argue all the time. If my family h
    12 points
  25. Longtime lurker here. I haven't seen too many personal accounts of receiving the J&J shot here so I thought I'd share mine as thanks for all the Covid information I've gotten here and found so useful over the last year. I have terrible medical anxiety so I specifically sought out the J&J due to the "one and done" factor. I received the shot Tuesday afternoon. I ended up leaving the recovery chair area after a minute or two, because I knew if I continued sitting in there I would pass out. I finished out my recovery period in the car, laying down, AC blasting, and I was fine. By eve
    11 points
  26. I really wonder. The vaccines had extremely large double blind studies, and people still tout experimental treatments as miracle cures when there is absolutely no solid double blind data that would lead to that conclusion. Where's the evidence of the wide scale conspiracy that the vast majority of the medical community is trying to pull one over on us?
    11 points
  27. For me personally, one of the most disconcerting aspects of of my personal risk management calculus is: I have no d@mn idea about how well any particular indoor space is ventilated and filtered. None. At all. Home Depot is huge and open, with very high ceilings, and they're in the building business for crying out loud, so maybe they have decent venting and filtration? Maybe? But OTOH there are no windows, at all. Whereas the marvelous French restaurant in a wondrously renovated old inn that we used to go to in the Beforetimes has soaring French doors and 5' windows on eve
    11 points
  28. While these are new vaccine types. saying that because of that they will CAUSE virus mutations and make people more sick is just someone throwing out a scary theory based on no research or facts. Which is not to say there could not turn out to be unexpected consequences to these quickly turned out new style vaccines -- but if you're going to worry about something, worry about something more like thalidomide babies IMO. I do wonder how much our life will change 'back' after vaccines since some close family members have become quite a bit more germ phobic than I would have thought (fa
    11 points
  29. So, I'm feeling much better this time around than I did at this point after my first dose. Not sure if having my allergies under better control is the reason, luck, who knows?
    11 points
  30. Yes, yes, yes. When applied to a population, a five-fold increase is enormous - even if only a small proportion of the population is affected. The difference between, say, 5 and 25 emergency department registrations per hour is the difference between business as usual and total overwhelm. This scales up to hospital capacity, health care system capacity really quickly, even if those cases represent a small proportion of the population Relative risk vs absolute risk.
    11 points
  31. I'm going to use the term spouse because I'm taking the long run view. I didn't advise my kids to never have anything to do with a toxic person because they wouldn't have met several of my relatives. They've been modeled and encouraged to establish and enforce boundaries. When the toxic people are being civil, a surface relationship can be maintained. That said, it can be perfectly appropriate to cut off all contact. Both of my adult daughters are married 2 and 3 years to people with toxic mothers, and one father with substance abuse issues. Strategies if they choose to maintain co
    10 points
  32. I think it's likely that when a larger segment of the population is vaccinated that they (and many other people) will slowly begin to stop all the other safety protocols. It will be easier to do that for many people when the numbers are going down and the CDC says it's safe to do so. I think it's similar to any vaccine really. My kids have all been vaccinated for chicken pox. I would still not take them to a place where I knew someone had chicken pox. I know it's not entirely the same but I do understand that for some, especially if they have a lot of anxiety about the current situation,
    10 points
  33. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/03/31/sunday-virtual-church-outfit/ I love this story. This woman was a tomboy growing up, until Junior High, when she had a teacher who wore a different, pretty outfit every day. So she grew up and became a teacher and got a doctorate and did the same thing. Then she was known as the woman who dressed up every Sunday. When church when virtual, so did her outfits. All to make people smile.
    10 points
  34. So, the absolute risk reduction from 2% to 1% seems small, but that's a relative risk reduction of 50% - which is huge. On a population level, a 50% relative risk reduction is actually really meaningful, even when it seems like it's just reduced from small to slightly smaller. Half as many cases and half as much stress on the health care system. Reducing absolute risk from 10% to 6% represents a similarly significant reduction in relative risk. These kinds of numbers would be totally acceptable (amazing, actually) for drug trials - we put people on drugs for life for worse numbers than th
    10 points
  35. re I got the shot so I could live again I did too. And (once my 13 more days of waiting are complete) I will do *more* things. Particularly with my longed-for loved ones, all of whom are either already vaccinated or on their way. But not *all* the things. Because I don't know *conclusively* that I might not still spread the virus even though I don't contract the virus, though, as @kandemphasized, the recent data on this is looking "very good" 😊 And in the meantime, there are loads of people in my state/ community who have not yet been able to be vaccinated, and
    9 points
  36. https://factcheck.afp.com/mass-covid-19-vaccination-will-not-lead-out-control-variants https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/
    9 points
  37. We have a BIG SURPRISE due in November! I did not seriously think I could be pregnant. My period has been late several times this past half year just from all the stress. But dh went out and got a test for me and surprise! I so desperately wanted another after my #4. I had vivid dreams of another child and often caught myself looking for the other kid when they were all there. But it was such a bad idea. I had blood pressure problems that were worse and started earlier with every pregnancy, that caused my last one to be induced as soon as he hit 37 weeks. He had many
    9 points
  38. To take out all the angst and emotion, I'd bet she is worried about some of the new strains, at least one of which the vaccine is less effective for. Or, she doesn't want to be in the 5% that it doesn't work well for. She got the vaccine to lower her risk of getting sick or dying, and the other measures she is taking also lower that risk. With new variants that we don't know much about yet, she's continuing being cautious. Why does this bother you? What difference does it make to you if she wipes down her groceries? (although, if you chat with her, suggest peroxide - less caustic a
    9 points
  39. ok, updating - 2nd Pfizer was yesterday at 11:30am. as of now, 9am the next day, I'm fine! Was a bit tired yesterday, but that was it. No chills or fever like first shot.
    9 points
  40. 9 points
  41. After we receive our second shot, my husband and I are planning on following the CDC's recommendations for fully vaccinated people: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html May I gently suggest that living well encompasses much more than just doing the things we want to do? I know you know this, but it bears repeating. I would hate to suggest to anyone who is continuing to be cautious--for whatever reason--that they're not really "living."
    8 points
  42. What about contributing to your community's herd immunity? What about hopefully preventing the spread of a deadly virus? Or is it all just about you? I do understand; to my shame, I used to have the same approach to my child's vaccinations. I determined that she would get them when and only when I felt the risk to HER was greater from the disease than from the vaccination. Other people didn't factor into the equation at all. Very American of me, I must say--but not at all Biblical. If there's one thing this pandemic has taught me, it's how profoundly our actions affect everyone arou
    8 points
  43. I think this is a big part of it. People don't understand how medical research is done. They don't understand how physicians diagnose patients and prescribe treatments and medication.
    8 points
  44. I am teaching in person this semester, and will be officially fully vaccinated tomorrow. I do not plan to change what I am doing until all my students are able to be vaccinated and have had time to do it, and since my youngest are preschoolers, that will be awhile. I will also continue to mask in stores, outdoors with non-family, etc. My reason is 1) I want to keep those who are not vaccinated safe-and as long as under 16 can't be vaccinated, almost everyone I know has at least one non-vaccinated person in their household 2) I want to model the behavior and be conscious of the concerns of tho
    8 points
  45. Resiliant, this thread is not your fault. There's no reason it should've been anywhere near to a hot-button issue for anybody. Don't worry about it. Pen, as for your repeated hypocritical admonition to check your sources - part of that is asking "Is this information coming from some random nobody I've never heard of, or from a respected and reputable institution?" Sure, it's possible that the nobody is right and the well-known university is wrong - but I wouldn't put money on it. I once read a memoir by somebody who grew up in Scientology. Pretty harrowing childhood, actually. As an
    8 points
  46. Don't panic folks. Most people do not get a miserable reaction. I did for one day and wow it was worth it. I really don't want the real thing! I just heard from neighbors who received their second shot yesterday and they slept 12 hours last night. That was it. It's going to be okay. Hugs to all of you .
    8 points
  47. I agree with this, but, sadly, it seems those who choose not to vaccinate are considered villains, and many people are behind the idea that those who choose not to vaccinate be excluded from society -- unable to travel, unable to shop, etc. That is no longer a choice. And, yes, I've heard all the rhetoric that we need to protect everyone by being vaccinated. I think we have purposely been kept in fear (media?) about the pandemic so that we aren't thinking straight as a society. I'm sure I'll receive a million party-line responses. I'm not particularly interested in a debate...And, I am not ant
    8 points
  48. Klmama, sparkly things are the gateway drug to birdfeeders. Are you sure you want to go down this path? It just gets more hardcore from there.
    7 points
  49. Tell them to be prepared to stand up for their partner and to choose sides (always their partner). That time will come and it's best they already know in advance what they'll do. Also, have a plan for holidays long before the holiday, so they're both on the same page when toxic person starts hinting around about it.
    7 points
  50. I had my first Pfizer dose this morning. My arm is pretty sore, I’ve got a slight headache, and I feel tired. Nothing awful but I was hoping I would be like dh and have zero issues. 🙄
    7 points
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