The Crown season 1

[Scarlett]

I know I am behind. I finished season one last night.

 

I found an old thread here where you all were discussing it and was shocked to hear many say Edward was portrayed sympathetically. I think he is a horrible man and yes Wallie is scary.

 

I am not a royal watcher or admirer. But something about seeing a ruling Queen in her youth is mesmerizing to me. I always think of Prince Phillip as a 'hanger on', but the reality of their relationship and their youth is something quite different.

 

No spoilers for season 2 please!

[Lady Florida.]

It's so good! The relationships with ol' Nazi Ed evolve in a very believable way!

 

The actor that plays Phillip is so handsome :)

 

You must not be a Doctor Who fan. ;)

 

Or do you know who he is and were just commenting on his looks?

[Scarlett]

If he had only abdicated and went off to live his life that would have been one thing. But he still wanted money and he still was very nasty toward his family...or at least about his family.

[Scarlett]

It's so good! The relationships with ol' Nazi Ed evolve in a very believable way!

 

The actor that plays Phillip is so handsome :)

Who is Nazi Ed?

[Peaceseeker]

I liked Elizabeth but I am enjoying the Victoria show even more!

[jen3kids]

I liked Elizabeth but I am enjoying the Victoria show even more!

 

 

Have you seen Victoria and Abdul?  

[gardenmom5]

If he had only abdicated and went off to live his life that would have been one thing. But he still wanted money and he still was very nasty toward his family...or at least about his family.

 

same with margaret.  she rants and raves about not being allowed to marry the divorced peter townsend.   honey - you can marry him, you just have to give up the perks of being a princess.  she wanted those perks more than she wanted him - but she so loudly claimed he was being kept from her.  uh, no.  sweetheart, your choice.

 

a lot has come out over the years about margaret - and her very wild partying ways.   her children seem more stable and grounded than her.

 

the attitude of the sneering comments about philip's mother shocked me. . . .I have a heck of a lot more respect for her.  she HID jews during the war, while living in german occupied territory.  (that was from a special on her - not from "the crown".)    many people objected to the marriage because "he's german".   people were always condescending, and trying to tell him things. e.g. about windsor castle, in exasperation he finally put them in their place with "my mother was born here".

 

Never seen it!

 

Matt Smith, the actor. But he's leaving the show! :single tear down my cheek as the camera slowly comes out of focus: lol

 

 

it's cheaper to get older actors to play them older rather than do the involved make-up to make young actors look older.  Olivia Coleman will play Elizabeth.

 

re: Princess Alice - she is recognized by Israel as "Righteous among the Nations".   She is buried at the convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives.

Edited March 12, 2018 by gardenmom5

[Scarlett]

same with margaret.  she rants and raves about not being allowed to marry the divorced peter townsend.   honey - you can marry him, you just have to give up the perks of being a princess.  she wanted those perks more than she wanted him - but she so loudly claimed he was being kept from her.  uh, no.  sweetheart, your choice.

 

a lot has come out over the years about margaret - and her very wild partying ways.   her children seem more stable and grounded than her.

 

the attitude of the sneering comments about philip's mother shocked me. . . .I have a heck of a lot more respect for her.  she HID jews during the war, while living in german occupied territory.  (that was from a special on her - not from "the crown".)    many people objected to the marriage because "he's german".   people were always condescending, and trying to tell him things. e.g. about windsor castle, in exasperation he finally put them in their place with "my mother was born here".

 

 

 

it's cheaper to get older actors to play them older rather than do the involved make-up to make young actors look older.  Olivia Coleman will play Elizabeth.

 

re: Princess Alice - she is recognized by Israel as "Righteous among the Nations".   She is buried at the convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives.

 

 

Good point about Margaret.  It seemed early on they were implying the two were involved before his divorce.  Then later it was mentioned that his wife had the affair and caused their divorce.  So I was confused about that.  But either way she knew the rules about marrying a divorced person.   

[Peaceseeker]

Have you seen Victoria and Abdul?

No but it is on my watch list!

[Scarlett]

same with margaret.  she rants and raves about not being allowed to marry the divorced peter townsend.   honey - you can marry him, you just have to give up the perks of being a princess.  she wanted those perks more than she wanted him - but she so loudly claimed he was being kept from her.  uh, no.  sweetheart, your choice.

 

a lot has come out over the years about margaret - and her very wild partying ways.   her children seem more stable and grounded than her.

 

the attitude of the sneering comments about philip's mother shocked me. . . .I have a heck of a lot more respect for her.  she HID jews during the war, while living in german occupied territory.  (that was from a special on her - not from "the crown".)    many people objected to the marriage because "he's german".   people were always condescending, and trying to tell him things. e.g. about windsor castle, in exasperation he finally put them in their place with "my mother was born here".

 

 

 

it's cheaper to get older actors to play them older rather than do the involved make-up to make young actors look older.  Olivia Coleman will play Elizabeth.

 

re: Princess Alice - she is recognized by Israel as "Righteous among the Nations".   She is buried at the convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives.

 

 

Wait.  I missed all of this!  I might have to go back and watch a few again.

[Lady Florida.]

 

 

the attitude of the sneering comments about philip's mother shocked me. . . .I have a heck of a lot more respect for her.  she HID jews during the war, while living in german occupied territory.  (that was from a special on her - not from "the crown".)    many people objected to the marriage because "he's german".   people were always condescending, and trying to tell him things. e.g. about windsor castle, in exasperation he finally put them in their place with "my mother was born here".

 

 

 

 

 

Which is really ironic considering there's a good deal of German in the British royal family, and especially back then when they were all still marrying between royal families.

[gardenmom5]

Good point about Margaret.  It seemed early on they were implying the two were involved before his divorce.  Then later it was mentioned that his wife had the affair and caused their divorce.  So I was confused about that.  But either way she knew the rules about marrying a divorced person.   

 

they were involved before his divorce. (and margaret was underage)  his wife being outed as having an affair - made him the "innocent" party.

 

Wait.  I missed all of this!  I might have to go back and watch a few again.

 

no - this was from a special (netflix?) on princess alice.  they only show her in the beginning when the queen mother makes sneering comments about her.

she'll probably show up again in season 3, as philip had finally gotten her to come to england and live with him. (she was old, frail, and he wanted to make sure she was cared for.).  she died in 1969.

[gardenmom5]

Which is really ironic considering there's a good deal of German in the British royal family, and especially back then when they were all still marrying between royal families.

 

 it was 1947 - the war hadn't been over two years when her engagement was announced. as a country, they were still rebuilding, and everything else about recovering from a major war.

 

eta: it was unfair to philip - he was a british naval officer who served in wwii.   He had a very promising career that was well established before they became engaged. 

Edited March 12, 2018 by gardenmom5

[Lady Florida.]

 it was 1947 - the war hadn't been over two years when her engagement was announced. as a country, they were still rebuilding, and everything else about recovering from a major war.

 

The anti-German sentiment began during and just after WWI. That's even when they dropped Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in favor or Windsor because the former was too obviously German. 

 

It was already well entrenched by the end of WWII. It may have been more that the public was anti German since in the royal family they had a number of German cousins (I'm just guessing here).

Edited March 12, 2018 by Lady Florida.

[Bluegoat]

The anti-German sentiment began during and just after WWI. That's even when they dropped Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in favor or Windsor because the former was too obviously German. 

 

It was already well entrenched by the end of WWII. It may have been more that the public was anti German since in the royal family they had a number of German cousins (I'm just guessing here).

 

Yes, I think that was true.  Though, other elements in the aristocracy I think harboured anti-German sentiment - they didn't all have close ties like the royal family.  

 

They were well aware of the public sentiment though, and I expect the role that they needed to play to do their jobs.

[gardenmom5]

The anti-German sentiment began during and just after WWI. That's even when they dropped Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in favor or Windsor because the former was too obviously German. 

 

It was already well entrenched by the end of WWII. It may have been more that the public was anti German since in the royal family they had a number of German cousins (I'm just guessing here).

 

 

I have an acquaintance whose family are from a german settlement in the Midwest.  they all spoke german, etc. - despite being born here.  then with wwi - the all started speaking English, and dropped the "von's" etc. from their names.  anglicizing names etc.

 

he said during wwii, they used german pow's to work the farm (since they were fluent in german, and getting in the middle of nowhere) - one german officer realized the german's were going to lose - since it took several days via train to reach the farm from the east coast.   Germany is about half the size of texas.

 

in the 40's - my father's very german (really Austrian) surname was legally changed to his step-father's very English surname.

 

eta: clarity - typos . . .

Edited March 12, 2018 by gardenmom5

[Lady Florida.]

I saw this article yesterday and it made me think of this thread.

 

The Crown queen was paid less than her prince.

 

To me it makes sense that Matt Smith was paid more at first because he was already well-known and she wasn't. However, after the success of the first season I would have thought they'd bring her salary more in line with his. They said that going forward nobody will get paid more than the queen, but Claire Foy's stint at queen is already over so that doesn't help her. 

 

 

[Scarlett]

I saw this article yesterday and it made me think of this thread.

 

The Crown queen was paid less than her prince.

 

To me it makes sense that Matt Smith was paid more at first because he was already well-known and she wasn't. However, after the success of the first season I would have thought they'd bring her salary more in line with his. They said that going forward nobody will get paid more than the queen, but Claire Foy's stint at queen is already over so that doesn't help her. 

 

 

Ha. I had a blonde moment where I thought you were talking about the actual Queen and Prince.

[Lady Florida.]

Ha. I had a blonde moment where I thought you were talking about the actual Queen and Prince.

 

That would make him so much more disliked.  :lol:

[Garga]

I saw this article yesterday and it made me think of this thread.

 

The Crown queen was paid less than her prince.

 

To me it makes sense that Matt Smith was paid more at first because he was already well-known and she wasn't. However, after the success of the first season I would have thought they'd bring her salary more in line with his. They said that going forward nobody will get paid more than the queen, but Claire Foy's stint at queen is already over so that doesn't help her.

 

It does make sense at first. Matt Smith, having played The Doctor is known around the world. I have friends in China who know who he is (and who love him.). So, he’s a big-name actor and is known to billions of people.

 

But unless they find another actor who’s known to billions, it seems that the queen role ought to have the hightest salary.

[hornblower]

Why are their cigarettes and cigars so LOUD? LOL!

 

 

everything is so loud! the shoes on the floors, the doors, everything is all creaky and stompy and loud!

[hornblower]

It's so hard to not talk about the second season! Hurry up and watch them all today, Scarlet  :laugh:

 

yes! are you caught up?  If not, some of the episodes are a lot more steamy than I expected - just FYI and in case you watch with others around....

[Scarlett]

yes! are you caught up? If not, some of the episodes are a lot more steamy than I expected - just FYI and in case you watch with others around....

No, I am just on E1 season 2!

[gardenmom5]

dh was very happy to watch the episode on david/edward. (the main points are historical fact.).

he, a wwii buff, hadn't been aware of most of it.  I - a reader or uk papers, was.  

 

but then -  it didn't have much to do with navy ships (dh's childhood obsession) . . . .

 

 

[Bluegoat]

Love the series but huge warning for season 2 episode 7, I think but look at my previous thread to make sure. That one episode is totally out of character with the rest. I've never seen that explicit of a sec scene in my life. It lasted forever. You could skip half the episode. The queen gets a summary from her detective later in the episode that told us all we needed to know. Made me so mad that they did that.

 

I thought it was going to be much more out there after reading comments here - I didn't actually find it to be that unusual.  Not what I really like to see on tv for other reasons, but not especially explicit comparatively.

[hornblower]

I thought it was going to be much more out there after reading comments here - I didn't actually find it to be that unusual.  Not what I really like to see on tv for other reasons, but not especially explicit comparatively.

I thought they ran out of plot for that episode and it was all filler. It could all have been conveyed in < 5 min of screen time. 

[SeaConquest]

I thought it was going to be much more out there after reading comments here - I didn't actually find it to be that unusual. Not what I really like to see on tv for other reasons, but not especially explicit comparatively.

I had to Google it because it didn't even register as a blip on my radar.

[Scarlett]

I watched S2E2 last night.  Wow  I was rather shocked (not sure why) that Prince Philip was cheating on her so much.  And what an idiot that Mike Parker proved to be.  That tends to make me think he was a serial cheater to be so blasé about it that he put it in writing. You gotta admire Mike Parker's wife for getting the evidence she needed for her divorce. 

[gardenmom5]

I watched S2E2 last night.  Wow  I was rather shocked (not sure why) that Prince Philip was cheating on her so much.  And what an idiot that Mike Parker proved to be.  That tends to make me think he was a serial cheater to be so blasé about it that he put it in writing. You gotta admire Mike Parker's wife for getting the evidence she needed for her divorce. 

 

that was an episode with much license.  Even the former Mrs Parker was rather irate enough to write letters of complaint about the episode about how it was untruthful.

Philip has commented- if he cheated on his wife as much as he has been accused of by MEDIA - why aren't there any little illegitimate philips running around?  

 

eta: there was NO *letter*.

Edited March 20, 2018 by gardenmom5

[Scarlett]

Ooooh! Ok well then I feel better. Lol

[gardenmom5]

Where do you find comments?

I added a link.

 

and I was incorrect - it was his son who wrote the fuming letter.  his mother (former mrs parker) is 94, and he is keeping the accusations from her.

[gardenmom5]

Ooooh! Ok well then I feel better. Lol

 

It's not the first (or last) episode to have many accusations of license in the press.   (ep 6, there are shocking  revelations about david . . . . they're more accurate.   most weren't a surprise to me as I'd read about them other places over the years - along with corroborating evidence.)

[Bluegoat]

I thought they ran out of plot for that episode and it was all filler. It could all have been conveyed in < 5 min of screen time. 

 

Yeah, I thought it seemed like they were spinning it out.  Though I am cynical about that, I've seen scenes cut out of shows that I thought were really useful in favour of useless eye-candy before.

 

I'm not crazy about taking a show that was ok to watch with my kids and make it a problem, for no really compelling reason. I'd just been thinking it would be fine for dd13 who loves historical dramas.   The scene didn't add much and seemed out of keeping with the rest, so what was the point really?

 

But it wasn't particularly shocking in and of itself.

[Amber in SJ]

Try out the documentary series on Netflix called The Royal House of Windsor, particularly the first three episodes with the first season of The Crown.  So much info about the issues faced by the Windsors  and how they survived.

 

Amber in SJ

[gardenmom5]

I guess we must just watch completely different stuff then.  Nothing I watch has sex scenes in it...  The Notebook that I watched many years ago made me uncomfortable.   

 

Every single other episode in both seasons i would feel comfortable watching with my teenage daughter.  So glad I always preview things.  I just don't get why they broke character on that one episode. 

 

a lot of stuff out of europe is much more graphic.  I had to ff through so many scenes in some eps of season 2. (ep 7 especially.) I had actually stopped watching the series because the errors, nasty gossip mongering - and the graphic.   this thread got me to pick it up again.

 

for history - I would strongly rec'd ep 6. - the one about david/edward.   while the accusations seem utterly outrageous (I've read about most of them in other places, along with listed sources), they have a series of actual photographs of david and wallis run at the end to show just how legitimate those accusations were.

[Scarlett]

a lot of stuff out of europe is much more graphic.  I had to ff through so many scenes in some eps of season 2. (ep 7 especially.) I had actually stopped watching the series because the errors, nasty gossip mongering - and the graphic.   this thread got me to pick it up again.

 

for history - I would strongly rec'd ep 6. - the one about david/edward.   while the accusations seem utterly outrageous (I've read about most of them in other places, along with listed sources), they have a series of actual photographs of david and wallis run at the end to show just how legitimate those accusations were.

 

 

It is annoying to me that they don't go one way or the other with it.....The actual true story would be better since these are real people, many of them still alive! 

[Bluegoat]

Yeah, I watch a fair bit of European stuff, very little American.  British seems to be somewhere in between in terms of amount of sexual content.  Though interestingly I find the English language stuff much more "sexy" in the way it is filmed.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Bluegoat

[gardenmom5]

27 minutes ago, myblessings4 said:

I've already finished both seasons.  I don't want to wait for the next one.  How long??

probably late fall release.   season 1 was Nov of 2016.  season 2 was december 2017. but they do release them all on the same day.  

while I've heard of which actors have been cast (incl.  the replacement of the "new" philip), I'm not sure if they've started filming yet.  or they may have only done indoor scenes.

[Scarlett]

On March 21, 2018 at 8:52 AM, gardenmom5 said:

 

a lot of stuff out of europe is much more graphic.  I had to ff through so many scenes in some eps of season 2. (ep 7 especially.) I had actually stopped watching the series because the errors, nasty gossip mongering - and the graphic.   this thread got me to pick it up again.

 

for history - I would strongly rec'd ep 6. - the one about david/edward.   while the accusations seem utterly outrageous (I've read about most of them in other places, along with listed sources), they have a series of actual photographs of david and wallis run at the end to show just how legitimate those accusations were.

Ok, I watched episode six....you are right that was pretty shocking......I remembered to okay attention to the actual photos at the end.   Wow.  

[Bluegoat]

I think we forget the extent to which people were very accepting about things like eugenics, and how it was often difficult to distinguish it from more mundane kinds of classism.  And the eugenics supporters were not only fascists, either, many were on the left. The sense of illegitimacy that seems obvious to us just wasn't there.  I sometimes think it's now so distant to us that it has a kind of received-truth status, but we don't really understand the thinking that made it seem logical - we assume it was alien and horrible.  I think we are loser to it now though than we have for a long time.

[SquirrellyMama]

The actor playing Billy Graham sounds like John Boy Walton.

Kelly

[gardenmom5]

13 hours ago, SquirrellyMama said:

The actor playing Billy Graham sounds like John Boy Walton.

Kelly

 

1 hour ago, myblessings4 said:

Yes!  I knew the voice, but couldn't place it!

 

 

different actors.

Richard Thomas played John-boy

paul sparks played billy graham

[SquirrellyMama]

8 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

 

 

different actors.

Richard Thomas played John-boy

paul sparks played billy graham

I know, I looked it up when I saw the actor.. He still sounds like John Boy Walton :)