Q about diagramming resources but also about W&R

[Coco_Clark]

We've been really happily doing English Lessons Through Literature for years. But this year we wanted more writing and added Writing and Rhetoric. Well, W&R and ELTL are too similar to make keeping up with both make sense. BUT I really enjoy the diagramming in ELTL.

SO is there a book JUST for diagramming?  I feel like that's what I REALLY want. Or do I purchase ELTL 5 just for the diagramming and skip the rest?  (Seems a waste, but if its the easiest way to get that diagramming in...)

 

Or, just for curiosities sake, what is everyone else using to go along with Writing and Rhetoric? Because Fables and Narrative 1, at least didn't seem to make up a full year of language arts...

Edited February 23, 2018 by Coco_Clark

[Kathryn]

W&R is meant to be used along with a grammar program. I used Junior Analytical Grammar with it the year my oldest was in fifth grade (had used FLL and MCT before that). We took off this year (6th) from grammar and next year for 7th will be using WTM grammar.

[purpleowl]

We use W&R alongside WTM Press's grammar (one girl in GftWTM, one in FLL). 

[AdventuresinHomeschooling]

We use MCT and CAP. They both have writing, but in different areas. My next child is doing abeka grammar because I did want diagramming. CAP has a WOL grammar program that includes diagramming and complements their writing. There is a diagramming book I got for my son who does MCT to supplement diagramming. https://www.amazon.com/Diagraming-Sentences-Deborah-White-Broadwater/dp/1580372821/ref=sr_1_14/147-1423809-5495430?ie=UTF8&qid=1519504456&sr=8-14&keywords=diagramming+sentences+book

[Sneezyone]

DS uses Easy Grammar with W&R but he doesn’t need diagramming. Parsing works well for him. DD used Hake. She needed that kind of drill. It’s pretty much all diagramming, all the time.

[cintinative]

this was recommended on this board for diagramming:

https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Sentences-Diagramming-Eugene-Moutoux/dp/1935497154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519506582&sr=8-1&keywords=diagramming+sentences&dpID=515OI%252BLgq7L&preST=_SX218_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

 

[FromA2Z]

I am totally in the same boat with you. My eldest is in ELTL 4. I love the diagramming and he has been doing extremely well with the program. Initially I was going to move over to W&R after ELTL 2 but stuck with it. We like the copia exercises in it but I just felt recently that he needs a bit more direction in the writing.

 

I picked up a used copy of narrative 2 a couple of weeks ago and it seems exactly what we need. So we are finishing the year w/ the reading, diagramming and some of the copy work & picture studies in ELTL 4 combined w/ W&R.

 

I did pick up a used ELTL 5 for next year. I just don't really want to give it up. That being said I also got a used set of MCT grammar/sentence/practice Island. I'm going to have him go through at least part of those books after we finish ELTL 4. I like the way MCT uses the 4 level analysis for diagramming. My DS diagrams well but I don't think he fully comprehends that words are parts of speech & parts of a sentence at the same time. I think the 4 level will give him his "aha" moment. Then I'll let him decide to continue with MCT or ELTL. .....(maybe).

 

I just really like the lit selections in ELTL and the diagramming/grammar taken from the literature...and the picture studies.

 

Sorry to be of no help to you, just commiserating.

[Sally Day]

I am using Junior Analytical Grammar alongside Narrative 2 and Chreia. It’s working fine but I find it low on instruction, and I think it’s only working for us because we covered FLL 3 and 4 first. My plan is to return to WTM Grammar next year. Hope that helps.

[Kathryn]

I am using Junior Analytical Grammar alongside Narrative 2 and Chreia. It’s working fine but I find it low on instruction, and I think it’s only working for us because we covered FLL 3 and 4 first. My plan is to return to WTM Grammar next year. Hope that helps.

That's exactly what we did. My son had gone through all four levels of FLL (as well as three levels of MCT). He did JAG the year he did W&R 3-4. We took off from grammar this year, but we're going back to WTM for grammar next year.