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#1 texasmom33

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:57 AM

I’m five chapters in. Anyone else reading?
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:38 AM

Starting today
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:48 AM

I will be just as soon as it arrives (I ordered it in October).  I can't wait!


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:51 AM

Is this SWB’s new book? If so I haven’t ordered it yet, guess I better jump on it.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:59 AM

Yes!


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:03 AM

Yes! I was so excited when it just popped up in my kindle. Love preorder!
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:04 AM

I hadn't heard of it. Thanks for mentioning it. How is it already available "used" on Amazon if it was released Tuesday? Fast reader?
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:23 PM

Yes! In fact, I was just looking for the thread where we were talking about this and, of course, failed to find it.

 

I'm 15 chapters in. It came 2 days ago. (Thank you, relatively new Christmas toys, for the hours of peace you've provided me.) And so far I have managed not to get any chocolate or spaghetti sauce stains on it.

 

It's probably unsurprising that so far, Part IV is really speaking to me. (I mean, I'm a homeschooler. I've never had a kid in school. Of course it does.) I'm sending this book to my teacher sister as soon as I'm done, though, and she's going to want to give it to all her students' parents, I suspect.

 

What do you think of the first 5 chapters? I found the section on evaluating a child's maturity very helpful. I also LOLed at the first paragraph of Ch. 2, among other places.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:42 PM

Waiting for the library to get it in, labeled, and available for checkout.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:34 PM

Oh I got so wrapped up in school planning for this school year ( school year starts end of Jan) that I forgot to order it :-(



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:58 PM

I am listening on audible. Good so far!
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:22 PM

Yes! In fact, I was just looking for the thread where we were talking about this and, of course, failed to find it.

 

I'm 15 chapters in. It came 2 days ago. (Thank you, relatively new Christmas toys, for the hours of peace you've provided me.) And so far I have managed not to get any chocolate or spaghetti sauce stains on it.

 

It's probably unsurprising that so far, Part IV is really speaking to me. (I mean, I'm a homeschooler. I've never had a kid in school. Of course it does.) I'm sending this book to my teacher sister as soon as I'm done, though, and she's going to want to give it to all her students' parents, I suspect.

 

What do you think of the first 5 chapters? I found the section on evaluating a child's maturity very helpful. I also LOLed at the first paragraph of Ch. 2, among other places.

 

I'm really enjoying it. I just wish I had found something like it ten years ago. 

 

Had I not read so much John Holt and similar over the last few years (and hung out here on the boards)  my mind would've been completely blown by what I've read so far. But being familiar with all of those works,  this book is still resonating so strongly, and honestly a bit emotionally because I see the shift I've gone through in it. I was that Mom. I thought my child was the defective one for not fitting into the system. The quote on page 30 describes my life. I've come so far, but what a journey and how much could have been avoided. Oh to go back in time..........

 

I've already told a couple of people with kids in public school it would be a good addition to their to read list. Even if they don't need it now, they will eventually hit a snag and how nice to have an arsenal of tactics in the wings to advocate for your own child. 

 

I can't wait to read more tonight! 


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:55 PM

SWB includes a few examples from her thought experiment thread about a year ago. :)

I'm not as far into it as I'm trying to finish a library ebook. . . But, it has tempted me enough that I've started it (and found the Hive quotes).
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

Finished it. I liked it. I’ll definitely recommend it to people who come to me because they are completely overwhelmed dealing with the school system. I plan to go back through it again and use some of the ideas and answer some of those questionnaires.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:35 PM

I'm somewhere in Part 3 (loving it of course!).  I especially appreciate how it's causing me to reflect on the impact our system of education in the U.S. has had on my own homeschooling approaches (We've homeschooled from the start, but both dh and myself were public-schooled).  What assumptions about school (ages/grades/curriculum choices/tests) am I bringing into my home without even realizing it?  And how do they fit with the goals I really have for my children?

 

And on the positive side, I'm feeling a lot of reassurance about "radical" decisions I've made (such as homeschooling in general, and more specifically holding ds10 back in some subjects while propelling him ahead in others.) Not that I've felt I've been all that radical, but I've got many ps teachers in my extended family and often get raised eyebrows, so it's encouraging to hear SWB confirm a few of the choices I've made. 

 

And of course SWB's comments (in the Salon article, I think... maybe not the book?) about drilling her kids on what grade they were in before going to their medical appointments... so true!   :lol:  

 


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:11 PM

How timely...

How to solve the parent-engagement problem by EdWeek

 

Parents should be treated as full partners in their children’s education, not taken for granted
Over the course of a decade, I saw how the moms and dads of my students could become transformational advocates for their children when empowered with the right resources and knowledge. As an educator, I know firsthand the challenges dedicated teachers and principals can have trying to engage busy families and how little support families typically get even when they are trying to be involved, even when their schools are fully committed to it.

 

 

 


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:25 PM

I hadn't heard of this one. I just bought it and am excited to read it. I have a daughter with certain learning struggles entering high school next year. I'm kinda freaked out over getting her college prepped in 4 short years. I'm hoping for some great insight into how to do that or a change in my thought processes altogether. We'll see.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:24 PM

About 1/2 way done. Really enjoying it!

 

Our 2 DSs are long graduated, after 11 years (DS#1) and 12 years (DS#2) of homeschooling, BUT, I am finding it an encouraging confirmation to read that many of our off-the-beaten-path choices of how to homeschool DSs are exactly the advice and support that SWB is giving in the book! (Of course, I can see where DSs are now as adults, and know that they turned out fine -- it's just that I even now have a tendency to second guess myself sometimes and wonder "DID we do the right thing at this point or that point?" ;) )

 

AND... It's wonderful to see SO many familiar WTM boardees being quoted throughout the book for their experiences and wisdom!  :hurray:


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:00 PM

Listening to SWB's interview with Andrew Kern on Circe (FORMA podcast) while I wait for the library to get the book.

eta: Decided this is a book I will want to write in and reread, so spent the last of my Christmas Amazon gift card for it.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:38 PM

Yes!  

 

So great!  It has come to me at a time when I really needed some gentle reminders and a brath of fresh air in my homeschool thinking.  Especially now that I have a high schooler, I feel like I am so locked in to what we can do with homeschooling.  I feel like I can relax and trust my gut again.  That feels wonderful.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:54 PM

I can't decide if I want the Kindle version *right now* or wait for the paper copy. agggghhhhh


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:19 AM

It is in the mail.so in about 2 weeks time I will be able to join the discussion.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:23 AM

Yes!

So great! It has come to me at a time when I really needed some gentle reminders and a brath of fresh air in my homeschool thinking. Especially now that I have a high schooler, I feel like I am so locked in to what we can do with homeschooling. I feel like I can relax and trust my gut again. That feels wonderful.


Me too. The “fit the box” high school anxiety has started rearing it’s ugly head and this booked nipped it straight away.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:15 AM

Just finished Chapter 9 on homework and wanted to mention something a couple of friends with kids in private school have witnessed recently. When pushing back against homework for extremely young kids (pk/k/1), the parents were informed the teachers sympathized and that it was indeed other PARENTS requesting homework and then more homework. The schools apparently felt compelled to comply or lose students to more competitive schools in the area. I was really surprised to hear that, but I guess with parents getting more and more wrapped up in competition themselves it was bound to happen coupled with the early academic push that’s been building over the last couple of decades.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:27 AM

Yes!



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Posted Yesterday, 11:08 AM

Just finished Chapter 9 on homework and wanted to mention something a couple of friends with kids in private school have witnessed recently. When pushing back against homework for extremely young kids (pk/k/1), the parents were informed the teachers sympathized and that it was indeed other PARENTS requesting homework and then more homework. The schools apparently felt compelled to comply or lose students to more competitive schools in the area. I was really surprised to hear that, but I guess with parents getting more and more wrapped up in competition themselves it was bound to happen coupled with the early academic push that’s been building over the last couple of decades.

 

I had to fight back against homework when my oldest was in K. The teacher assigned a full page word search and expected it done in one night. I told her I have no problems with word searches and that I understand the value, but 20+ words in one night is a bit much for K. If she gave him a week, I'd make sure it was done. She was completely sympathetic and agreeable, but couldn't change it. My kid was ahead in reading and it was too much for him, so I can't imagine that there were a lot of kids that were completing it. 

 

My school district recently changed it's homework policy for the better. The rule is 10 minutes per elementary grade. No assignments on weekends or holidays.  They have to take into account the individual needs and academic abilities of each student when assigning homework. They will only assign work for skills they have not mastered. They said "Giving homework just to give homework is not productive." I applauded it, but there were so many comments from parents citing that we have one of the worst school districts and if anything they need more homework! And more along the lines with "Keep those kids too busy to get in trouble!" Ugh. 

 

My cousin used to teach at a private school and ended up quitting because of the parents. One parent of an elementary grade student berated her because her kid was not getting As after insisting they skip a grade. From the stories I've heard, I cannot imagine the pressures these kids are under. 



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Posted Today, 07:18 AM

Just finished Chapter 9 on homework and wanted to mention something a couple of friends with kids in private school have witnessed recently. When pushing back against homework for extremely young kids (pk/k/1), the parents were informed the teachers sympathized and that it was indeed other PARENTS requesting homework and then more homework. The schools apparently felt compelled to comply or lose students to more competitive schools in the area. I was really surprised to hear that, but I guess with parents getting more and more wrapped up in competition themselves it was bound to happen coupled with the early academic push that’s been building over the last couple of decades.

We are always told that in NZ too but I am not sure how true it is.

We also never have homework in the weekends (so far) but the weekends are really the only time we have time to do homework.

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Posted Today, 09:43 AM

Just finished Chapter 9 on homework and wanted to mention something a couple of friends with kids in private school have witnessed recently. When pushing back against homework for extremely young kids (pk/k/1), the parents were informed the teachers sympathized and that it was indeed other PARENTS requesting homework and then more homework. The schools apparently felt compelled to comply or lose students to more competitive schools in the area. I was really surprised to hear that, but I guess with parents getting more and more wrapped up in competition themselves it was bound to happen coupled with the early academic push that’s been building over the last couple of decades.


This was absolutely true at the school I worked at. We had been a school for a long time that didn't believe in homework unless it was the occasional work sent home to finish it if not done in class. We were continually pushed by a large chunk of our parents to provide homework. These were the same parents that took their child from school to Kumon in the late afternoon. We ended up becoming yet another private school sending busy work home every day.