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#51 Garga

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

Oh, I thought of something else. 
 
(Yes, we are on summer break, and I am procrastinating, and no, I don't have chores right now!)
 
Some issues I don't so much as change my mind, as get a more rounded picture. For example, I'd still put myself on the BLM side of the equation, BUT, I feel like I've heard and understood more about the lives and challenges of LEO's from listening to people here who are LEO's or have LEO partners or family. 
 
What else ? Oh, a friend talked with me about family members who voted a particular way that is a zillion miles from the way I'd ever vote, and I got a less caricatured picture from her description. So I tend to think of her family members first, and my mental picture second. That makes for a better picture, imo.


Yes--this has been what's happened to me as well. Exactly.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

I'm not sure I've changed my mind over the course of a single debate or conversation. But have my opinions/beliefs changed over my lifetime? 100% yes.

It's by listening to many conversations and having many experiences that I've shifted my thinking on things, some of them a 180 degree shift.

A quick example: Before I had kids, I was 100% of the mindset that children should be controlled and should instantly obey. Today I am so far from that mindset that I can barely believe it was myself who used to have that mindset and I'm appalled when someone else has it.

I had absolutely thought through the "control your children and make them obey" belief and thought I was believing the correct thing. I had read articles and had learned from people around me, etc. I was sure that I had researched it thoroughly. Maybe I had, maybe I hadn't. All I know is that I now believe that I was completely wrong in that belief and am glad it changed.


I had similar beliefs.

Other times I was wrong: “homeschooling is bad”, “whole grains are good for everyone”, anti-abortion, believing color-blindness is a good thing in society, religion, and I’m sure there are many others I’m forgetting.

So, to quote the article PJ posted:

I was wrong.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:17 PM

Quiet example doesn't work for me. It just makes me think 'oh, nice person' not 'oh, nice person, might be right'. 'Cos nice people can be wrong. 

 

Otoh, I like what Orthodox ladies say. They are never gonna convert me, but if I had to sit at a table in a hall full of believers, their table would be in my top three to beg a seat at :)


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

Personally I feel that if I have formed an opinion on some political or social issue, I typically have done my research on the issue and feel strongly about my opinion, as I'm sure most other people do as well about their own opinions. I generally don't get involved in arguments or debates about those type of issues because I guess I feel like, I know that my mind can't be changed on the issue, and so I assume I'm not going to change anyone else's mind either, so why create conflict. Not everyone feels this way and I think that's great because although I don't like to debate political or social or religious issues, I think it's probably beneficial for people who enjoy it to go ahead and debate as much as they want. Anyway, my question is, does anyone feel that they used to have a specific belief or opinion on a political, social, or religious issue, and when you were in a debate with someone about it, the other person actually influenced you to change your mind on the issue? I'm not looking for specific political statements here, I'm just curious if anyone has ever changed your mind to where you've switched to the other side of the issue or something similar.


Yes, on many, many, many topics, political and not. It is usually not the influence of ONE person. It is usually combined logic over time. That is one reason I feel it is valuable to have debates, because there are often on-lookers whose mind is changed through the course of debate(s) and observation, even if they are never or rarely involved in the conversation.

Even homeschooling itself was initially something I thought was bat-sh!t nuts.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:37 PM

Yes, on many, many, many topics, political and not. It is usually not the influence of ONE person. It is usually combined logic over time. That is one reason I feel it is valuable to have debates, because there are often on-lookers whose mind is changed through the course of debate(s) and observation, even if they are never or rarely involved in the conversation.

Even homeschooling itself was initially something I thought was bat-sh!t nuts.


That's a good point that it might be an observer to the debate who could actually benefit from it the most.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:38 PM

My husband and I have both changed each other's point of view through debating. Not always or even often, but we have had a few aha moments over the years together.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:05 PM

My mind has shifted based on a series of conversations. Often, it’s when I am just an observer rather than a participant, that I have the most brain space to really examine something from all angles. Maybe that’s why I like podcasts. I like listening to other people debate an idea much more than being part of the debate.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

My mind has shifted based on a series of conversations. Often, it’s when I am just an observer rather than a participant, that I have the most brain space to really examine something from all angles. Maybe that’s why I like podcasts. I like listening to other people debate an idea much more than being part of the debate.


I think this is why I'm fine with other people debating even though I prefer not to actually debate anyone myself. I think someone above likened debating to a sport and so for me it's something I prefer to leave as a spectator sport lol.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:14 PM

Yes. My dh brings up intetesting points all tbe time that causes me to change my mind.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:29 PM

I also experienced immediate self doubt once when someone I respected (here) whose statements were always seemed very logical to me, yelled at me in CAPS with their sarcasm completely hanging out. And I was all 'man, they yelled at me. And I think they are very knowlegable about all the things. So....I'm wrong ? Oh man, I'm wrong!'


I have totally had that experience, too.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:29 PM

I have totally had that experience, too.

 

I wonder if it was the same person :)


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:30 PM

My husband has changed my mind about the nuances of a variety of issues (and failed to change it about a couple of things, hah) :)  

 

Jonathon Saffron Foer (sp?) changed my mind about both the moral issues involved in food production/consumption and the necessarily absolute value of that morality.  I wasn't arguing with him, though - just read a book.

 

I don't really like arguing with people all that much, it makes my blood pressure go up :)  But I do like watching other people argue, and I've had my opinions either changed or clarified by watching debates or interviews.  


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:35 PM

I wonder if it was the same person :)


C’est possible...
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:39 PM

Yes. My overall political and social stance (left leaning - the American version of left) has not changed but I've changed my stance on some specific issues by listening and discussing (not necessarily debating). In some cases the change put me farther to the left and in others I went towards the center.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:55 PM

I tend to emphasize with people so I usually see merit in both sides of an issue. I sometimes wish that that I could see the ideal world of the two opposing sides. What would a conservative utopia look like and what would a liberal utopia look like, for example. Mostly I wish that people would come together and tackle the issues we can all agree on like human trafficking,disease and hunger.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:57 PM

Yes, on many, many, many topics, political and not. It is usually not the influence of ONE person. It is usually combined logic over time. That is one reason I feel it is valuable to have debates, because there are often on-lookers whose mind is changed through the course of debate(s) and observation, even if they are never or rarely involved in the conversation.

Even homeschooling itself was initially something I thought was bat-sh!t nuts.

You and I must be similar processors.

 

I also started with the never will I ever view of homeschooling. 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:00 PM

Although I have to add that there are some debates that I can't even handle being an observer. DH and his dad fiercely debate all sorts of things, but the worst is theology. As soon as they start, my MIL and I head for the kitchen.

 

 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:48 PM

So you're not surprised more people aren't as humble as you.

 

If that's what you want to take from that, you're free to.

 

The point is, going into a discussion as "I've already made my mind up and considered all the angles so I will never change my mind" without acknowledging that you don't.actually.know all the angles is a pretty self-important perspective. I have come from that perspective before and I am actively working on changing it to one of humility, to one of accepting that other people have something to teach me. I am not surprised that so many people are not humble enough to do that. I *am* proud of myself for moving in that direction, even though it feels unnatural, and I think it's worth being proud of.

 

I don't think this is an actual question, though, is it?


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:54 PM

This is what I have experienced too...but I don't think anything anyone has said in a debate over an issue has changed my mind. I think meeting people and seeing with my own eyes how a person who I believe is being honest has been affected by something is useful for me, but I don't think any argument someone has made in any debate has made much of an impression in my beliefs.

 

Well, I don't think I've ever changed my mind in the middle of a debate, but I certainly have changed my mind because of what I heard in a debate.

 

And when you hear people's stories, they aren't always "polite". When you deny people's negative experiences which are a result of a belief that you hold strongly, you cannot expect that person to only say polite things to you. That's asking too much, it isn't a fair fight, and you aren't really open to learning anything.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:55 PM

I’ve actually become far more conservative politically since college. It isn’t arguments that has changed my mind, but life experience.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

I have changed my mind on a couple of issues, but it was because of personal experience.  I would also say that I have very few very, very strongly held opinions, as well.  A lot of my thoughts are in an open palm, so I'm always willing to listen to other people.

 

Politically, I grew up far to one ditch.  Became more moderate as an adult.  Went to a church with a majority of people far in the opposite ditch of what I grew up with.  I became more moderate/leaning that ditch.  One day, my dh and I woke up, "hey, we don't agree with a ton of stuff here!"   We have moved back moderate/leaning towards the ditch I grew up in.  Changed churches and everything.  



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:04 PM

If that's what you want to take from that, you're free to.

The point is, going into a discussion as "I've already made my mind up and considered all the angles so I will never change my mind" without acknowledging that you don't.actually.know all the angles is a pretty self-important perspective. I have come from that perspective before and I am actively working on changing it to one of humility, to one of accepting that other people have something to teach me. I am not surprised that so many people are not humble enough to do that. I *am* proud of myself for moving in that direction, even though it feels unnatural, and I think it's worth being proud of.

I don't think this is an actual question, though, is it?


Nope, it wasn't a question. I was repeating what you wrote.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:13 PM

There are a lot of things now where my brain and my gut hold different opinions. I have no idea if others influence that. I can barely remember what I did yesterday, let alone what I believed last year.

Sometimes I like to think of what popular opinion will look like in 150 years. There are things that are accepted today that will probably be downright horrifying in the future. We're all gonna look bass awkwards at some point.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:14 PM

Oh yes, I've definitely changed my mind.  But it usually never happens after one incident or discussion.  It comes after multiple experiences and discussions, along with the passage of time -- time to mull it over, a growing understanding of the other side, a softening of heart, research, etc.

 

This is if you're talking about something deeply personal and important.  If it's something like where to go on vacation, then I might change my mind after one conversation!


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:18 PM

Nope, it wasn't a question. I was repeating what you wrote.

 

Yes. You chose to read what I wrote in the most negative way possible because you don't like me.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:04 PM

Yes. You chose to read what I wrote in the most negative way possible because you don't like me.


Nope. I don't know you. I was responding to your post. I repeated what you wrote and then you repeated it again. So you've stated it twice...people aren't as humble as you and it doesn't surprise you.

Do you think it is negative that people aren't as humble as you?

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:08 PM

Nope. I don't know you. I was responding to your post. I repeated what you wrote and then you repeated it again. So you've stated it twice...people aren't as humble as you and it doesn't surprise you.

Do you think it is negative that people aren't as humble as you?

 

She's really not saying that. She's reflecting on her own church and social experiences. 

 

#givethegirlabreak


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

I honestly do think that even if a person doesn't change their mind, it's healthier to hear from a wide range of people, including those unlike you. I am pretty grateful for a place to step out of my bubble. I do learn quite a lot from the most unlikely people.

 

I also find it fascinating that even people with whom we disagree 99% of the time - that 1% you're just nodding your heads furiously together, and it's kind of nice. 

 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:16 PM

I honestly do think that even if a person doesn't change their mind, it's healthier to hear from a wide range of people, including those unlike you. I am pretty grateful for a place to step out of my bubble. I do learn quite a lot from the most unlikely people.

 

I also find it fascinating that even people with whom we disagree 99% of the time - that 1% you're just nodding your heads furiously together, and it's kind of nice. 

 

 

You are actually one of those people for me!  :)


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:17 PM

You are actually one of those people for me!  :)

 

I know :) Ditto! 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:17 PM

She's really not saying that. She's reflecting on her own church and social experiences.

#givethegirlabreak


This little tangent jumped the shark when 8circles said the reason I responded the way I did was bc I didn't like her and you then "liked" her post.

IMO, the conversation essentially ends at that point...if any time a person doesn't like a response, she says, *oh, you just said that bc you don't like me* where does the conversation go?

Nowhere, I think.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:25 PM

Politics, religion, social issues? No, I'm pretty entrenched in my views.  But back in 2006 I was complaining about the gas prices to my sister and she ended up convincing me that high gas prices were a good thing for the environment.  High prices lead to better fuel efficiency (we have an electric car now) and less reliance on fossil fuels.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:25 PM

This little tangent jumped the shark when 8circles said the reason I responded the way I did was bc I didn't like her and you then "liked" her post.

IMO, the conversation essentially ends at that point...if any time a person doesn't like a response, she says, *oh, you just said that bc you don't like me* where does the conversation go?

Nowhere, I think.

 

I think if you like a person, you give them the benefit of the doubt :) 

 

She's not saying she's better than anyone else. I mean, I am not very humble, and fake humble gets my back up, but I really don't think she was being holier than thou, just expressing something true for her.  


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:26 PM

I also like to hear from a variety of perspectives, and ideally without censorship.  I find that in an environment that doesn't silence any voices (except spammers or people saying/posting illegal material), ideas have free reign and can be/have to be defended on their merits.  


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:26 PM

Nope. I don't know you. I was responding to your post. I repeated what you wrote and then you repeated it again. So you've stated it twice...people aren't as humble as you and it doesn't surprise you.

Do you think it is negative that people aren't as humble as you?

 

No. You don't have any interest in what I actually mean. You have already decided what you think I  mean so it makes no difference how I answer any question you ask me.

 

Again, though, you aren't really asking me, because you've already decided what I think.

 

Have a great time discussing with yourself.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:28 PM

I find it interesting how many said they've changed a bit due to their spouse.  I changed mine far more than he's changed me.  He grew up very totalitarian.  I grew up very independent.  His style has morphed more to mine than mine to his.  Politics-wise, we're pretty similar - very moderate.  Religion-wise, we're super similar, but have been that way since we've met.  I like that we've grown together rather than apart with our thoughts.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:29 PM

I think if you like a person, you give them the benefit of the doubt :)

She's not saying she's better than anyone else. I mean, I am not very humble, and fake humble gets my back up, but I really don't think she was being holier than thou, just expressing something true for her.


So is this about liking people? And if I simply "liked" someone, I'd agree with them that most people aren't humble enough to change their minds about something?

I disagree.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:30 PM

This little tangent jumped the shark when 8circles said the reason I responded the way I did was bc I didn't like her and you then "liked" her post.

IMO, the conversation essentially ends at that point...if any time a person doesn't like a response, she says, *oh, you just said that bc you don't like me* where does the conversation go?

Nowhere, I think.

 

I think it's pretty clear that your posts aimed at me are not coming from a desire to discuss given that you are picking out one particular phrasing to repeatedly ask me about, ignoring my greater explanation.

 

So, then, it also becomes clear what your motivation is. Since you've made no move to actually attempt to understand, it is completely disingenuous to say that *my* comment ends the discussion. I've explained. You've ignored.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:31 PM

This little tangent jumped the shark when 8circles said the reason I responded the way I did was bc I didn't like her and you then "liked" her post.

IMO, the conversation essentially ends at that point...if any time a person doesn't like a response, she says, *oh, you just said that bc you don't like me* where does the conversation go?

Nowhere, I think.

 

I'm not sure where you expected it to go with your responses, but as someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight, your side isn't coming across very well FWIW.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:34 PM

I think it's pretty clear that your posts aimed at me are not coming from a desire to discuss given that you are picking out one particular phrasing to repeatedly ask me about, ignoring my greater explanation.

So, then, it also becomes clear what your motivation is. Since you've made no move to actually attempt to understand, it is completely disingenuous to say that *my* comment ends the discussion. I've explained. You've ignored.


There's an expression...some people can't see the forest for the trees and other people can't see the forest or the trees bc they are looking at the leaves.

I was looking at the leaves.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:35 PM

I'm not sure where you expected it to go with your responses, but as someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight, your side isn't coming across very well FWIW.


You just said that because you don't like dogs.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:36 PM

I think if you like a person, you give them the benefit of the doubt :)

 

She's not saying she's better than anyone else. I mean, I am not very humble, and fake humble gets my back up, but I really don't think she was being holier than thou, just expressing something true for her.  

 

Thank you, Sadie, for understanding what I meant. I'm not very humble either. Which has actually been pointed out to me several times on this board. And it has been true for each of those times. I think it's a positive that I've recognized that and moved toward a more humble approach to people whose experiences have been different than mine. 

 

I think anytime you change your mind about a strongly held belief, humility has to be a part of it. Unless, of course, you're going to pretend that you were never wrong.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:37 PM

 

1.  Yes I have changed my mind.

2.  I love good discussions and even gentle debates but have little interest in heated, contentious, "no respect for anyone but those who follow lock step with me" types pf debates.

3.  I am FAR more likely to listen and genuinely consider the other's point of view if the following are in place:

  • They are not rude or deliberately combative (passionate is fine).
  • They seem to be basing their views on facts not media sound bites.
  • They are willing to listen to my side, as well.  (They aren't just waiting for breaks in the conversation to slam my own views.)
  • They are willing to genuinely discuss and share, not just ram their own views down my throat.

 

 

Hah, that's interesting!  Of your "more likely to consider" criteria, only basing views on facts (that is, using factual, sourced support when applicable, or logical reasoning when not) is something that affects me.  I don't mind rudeness/combativeness; I don't mind willingness or unwillingness to consider the other side; I don't mind unwillingness to share.  I do find someone who can't defend their position (that is, you have a counterargument or question and they either ignore it or ad hom) difficult to take seriously, but if they can defend their position and/or defeat mine, the truth requires that I not reject it just because it was presented unkindly, or abruptly.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:42 PM

Well, I don't think I've ever changed my mind in the middle of a debate, but I certainly have changed my mind because of what I heard in a debate.

And when you hear people's stories, they aren't always "polite". When you deny people's negative experiences which are a result of a belief that you hold strongly, you cannot expect that person to only say polite things to you. That's asking too much, it isn't a fair fight, and you aren't really open to learning anything.


I totally agree. Hearing people's honest personal accounts is probably what has influenced me the most and they often aren't polite. That's part of why I don't feel I usually learn much by debating people who are simply repeating the same argument for or against an issue that they have made 1000 times. It just won't influence me...but if someone can give me an honest personal account then it might give me food for thought at least.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:01 PM

I find it interesting how many said they've changed a bit due to their spouse.  I changed mine far more than he's changed me.  He grew up very totalitarian.  I grew up very independent.  His style has morphed more to mine than mine to his.  Politics-wise, we're pretty similar - very moderate.  Religion-wise, we're super similar, but have been that way since we've met.  I like that we've grown together rather than apart with our thoughts.

 

Same. Dh tends to join in once I've established my Strong Opinion on Another Thing, lol.

 

He saves his strong opinions for sport and fiction. I can't think of anything he's convinced me of...


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:26 PM

Hah, that's interesting!  Of your "more likely to consider" criteria, only basing views on facts (that is, using factual, sourced support when applicable, or logical reasoning when not) is something that affects me.  I don't mind rudeness/combativeness; I don't mind willingness or unwillingness to consider the other side; I don't mind unwillingness to share.  I do find someone who can't defend their position (that is, you have a counterargument or question and they either ignore it or ad hom) difficult to take seriously, but if they can defend their position and/or defeat mine, the truth requires that I not reject it just because it was presented unkindly, or abruptly.

I just have a hard time listening to someone when they are shouting expletives and insults.  Nope, not interested in having a conversation like that.  Passionate about the topic, sure, no worries.  Calling me names and deliberately trying to provoke a fight?  Nah.  I've got better things to do with my time.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:28 PM

Same. Dh tends to join in once I've established my Strong Opinion on Another Thing, lol.

 

He saves his strong opinions for sport and fiction. I can't think of anything he's convinced me of...

 

I've learned to like some "new to me" and (sometimes) southern foods because of my guy.  He introduced me to lima beans (my mom can't stand them) and southern BBQ (YUM!).

 

BUT... I introduced him to northern foods too - and ethnic foods - and vegetables/meats that aren't cooked to death, etc.  Even with that he's changed more toward my preferences than I changed toward his - but BBQ is super worthy and lima beans taste better IF not cooked to death. ;)

 

He still wants to convince me to like sailing.  Time will tell I suppose.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:29 PM

I just have a hard time listening to someone when they are shouting expletives and insults.  Nope, not interested in having a conversation like that.  Passionate about the topic, sure, no worries.  Calling me names and deliberately trying to provoke a fight?  Nah.  I've got better things to do with my time.

 

Those folks convince me of something... not sure it's what they wanted to convince me of though.   :lol:


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:30 PM

re "evolving tilts"

I sure did read this wrong the first time. :o

A testimony to the power of attending closely, there...  :lol:

 

 

 

My own tilts have definitely evolved in all sorts of areas through exposure to other people's perspectives and lived experiences and responses to those experiences... but maybe "debate" isn't quite the the right word for the mechanism of my evolution...

I'm not a black and white person and I change my opinions based on what I learn; my point I guess that I must not have expressed well, was that my opinions have never been changed through a debate. They have been changed through reading studies, meeting people, personal experiences etc, but never through a debate. I've certainly had useful discussions with people that have been illuminating regarding social or political issues, but no one has ever changed my mind through debating me. So I'm curious if others have had their minds changed in a debate with someone.

 

Yes.  But only when debating with intelligent, conscientious debaters, not with people who are just shouting their opinions to see if they can out-shout the other side.  

 

For example, my religious conversion took place after an 18 month debate with my brother in the form of 1-2 well thought out and heartfelt emails per week, back and forth, between the two of us.  Book readings and recommendations from both of us to the other, etc.  

... these kind of sustained, back-and-forth, substantive, nuanced encounters, both IRL and in this   <<massively unusual and precious space here on WTM>> have supported the evolution of my tilt in a number of areas.

 

I wouldn't call it "debate," though.  More like "mutual exploration" or something, delving into differences.  

 

 

 

And part of what that longer, slower exploration allows is the creation of a degree -- particularly in face-to-face relationships of course, but even I think on line with repeated "encounters" with the same regulars over long periods of time, is that we can begin to "recognize" each other and develop a sense of trust over time, enough to make a sort of space for...

Well, I don't think I've ever changed my mind in the middle of a debate, but I certainly have changed my mind because of what I heard in a debate.

 

And when you hear people's stories, they aren't always "polite". When you deny people's negative experiences which are a result of a belief that you hold strongly, you cannot expect that person to only say polite things to you. That's asking too much, it isn't a fair fight, and you aren't really open to learning anything.

 

... this.  So that the expression of anger and pain doesn't bring the conversation to a screeching flouncy halt...

 

...as does often happen in what I consider to be "debates," and usually shuts them right down.  The defining difference between "mutual exploration" vs "debate" is, to me, that in "mutual exploration," strong anger and pain can be expressed without terminating the process. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:43 PM

Well, I'm off to bed now.  Gotta get up in the morning prepared to change some teen minds.  ;)  (Maybe about math, maybe about life - time will tell!)


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